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[Mister Mida]

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't that mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Modifié par Mister Mida, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:22 .

[BlackyBlack]

kraidy1117 wrote...

While I like Drew as a story writer, I don't like his characters. The only Drew character I like is Liara. I find Drew's characters are Marry sues, bland, boring or mustach twirling villians. While Walters is not good at a plot(ME2 anyone) he is good at making characters. Let's look at TIM. Walters made TIM in ME2 fantastic, better then in the book. Also Midna, Walters didn't write the script in the comics, he just wrote the outline which was good, it was Miller who wrote the script. I think you should maybe add that just to be safe.

Anyways both are good writers, they are good at two diffrent fields, Drew is good at stories and Walters is good at characters.

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[Terror_K]

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

I am making a point that Walters is a good writer, he is just not good with a plot. Drew and Walters are both good writers, I my self prefer Walters more because I enjoy his characters more and I prefer the changes he made to TIM. That's me tho, and not everyone shares that but when users like the above say Walters is not a proper writer and is crap, that irks me.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:21 .

[kraidy1117]

Terror_K wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

Chud said Asari are asexuals, but in-game they are still a all female race so cleary Chud has no say on canon

[Mister Mida]

Terror_K wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

Well I figured that Karpyshyn would be in charge of all the writers and their work because he was the only lead writer for that game. And of course he would in turn answer to Hudson.

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

Well I figured that Karpyshyn would be in charge of all the writers and their work because he was the only lead writer for that game. And of course he would in turn answer to Hudson.

All Drew now does for ME is making sure the trilogy is going the way it should. Walters can't make a full 360 on the trilogy, if he does he needs to say that to Drew and he has to approve of the changes.  Now if there was a writer who had Drews story skills and Walters characters skills, that would be the best writer ever to grace a video game.

[Mister Mida]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

Well I figured that Karpyshyn would be in charge of all the writers and their work because he was the only lead writer for that game. And of course he would in turn answer to Hudson.

All Drew now does for ME is making sure the trilogy is going the way it should. Walters can't make a full 360 on the trilogy, if he does he needs to say that to Drew and he has to approve of the changes.  Now if there was a writer who had Drews story skills and Walters characters skills, that would be the best writer ever to grace a video game.

If he would do a full 360, he would be at the same place as he began .

[mopotter]

If I have to pick one, I'll pick Drew.   Terror/K, I also liked the way ME1 was written, and felt as a whole, more than ME2.

But I liked the stories in ME2 and enjoyed them .
Why can't they work together. Good Omens - Neil Giaman/Terry Pratchett; Elizabeth Moon and Anne McCaffrey did a couple of books in the Planet Pirates series.

edit morning fingers on wrong key typing.

Modifié par mopotter, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:30 .

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know Walters had a hand in making the Krogans, made Garrus and Wrex and created alot of the codex in ME and ME2 and was oneo ft he orignal writers in ME, right?

Yes, Walters was part of the writers team for ME (1). But doesn't mean like that every work of his and other writers needed Karpyshyn's 'seal of approval' before it to be considered canon?

Casey Hudson would actually have the overall say.

Well I figured that Karpyshyn would be in charge of all the writers and their work because he was the only lead writer for that game. And of course he would in turn answer to Hudson.

All Drew now does for ME is making sure the trilogy is going the way it should. Walters can't make a full 360 on the trilogy, if he does he needs to say that to Drew and he has to approve of the changes.  Now if there was a writer who had Drews story skills and Walters characters skills, that would be the best writer ever to grace a video game.

If he would do a full 360, he would be at the same place as he began .

LOL see this is why I don't blame the Collectors on Walters. Drew wrote the trilogy, he knew the Collectors where going to be in ME2, yet he did not mention them in the game and only mentions them in his book. This is fine and dandy, but not everyone read the book. Thus Cerberus and the Collectors felt out of place. Walters did the best he could, I have a feeling ME3 will be better in terms of writing then ME2 because Walters has learned his mistakes. That is what makes a writer good. Learn from your mistakes.

Also as a poster said. The side stories like the Geth/Quarian, Cerberus, Genophage and other little things where very strong in ME2, it was just the main story that failed hard.

[Kolos2]

he was not the only co-writer involved in ME, there is a difference, thy all more or less followed Drews vision



Mac will be responsible for ME3, prolly the hardest task story wise, since thy need to at least at some extend finish the Sheperds. tale.

Having someone with ZERO writing references , leading it plot wise is a bad call for me

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

he was not the only co-writer involved in ME, there is a difference, thy all more or less followed Drews vision

Mac will be responsible for ME3, prolly the hardest task story wise, since thy need to at least at some extend finish the Sheperds. tale.
Having someone with ZERO writing references , leading it plot wise is a bad call for me

Do you ignore facts or are you just that blind?

[Kolos2]

So he did write a novel or some other work that the Bioware games ?  doubt that  he putts Wrex and Garrus in his portfolio 

Modifié par Kolos2, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:37 .

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

So he did write a novel or some other work that Bioware games ?

He was one of Jade Empires writers and he has been part of ME since the begining. I told you, he WROTE Wrex and Garrus. Wrex was a very good character, Walters just has a problem with plots, he has learned from his mistakes and that is why I think ME3 will be better.

[bjdbwea]

Drew Karpyshyn all the way, if we assume that ME 1 and its characters were mostly his writing, and ME 2 mostly the doing of Mr. Walters.



There has to be a reason after all that Mr. Karpyshyn was "allowed" to work on the most important project for BioWare/EA, which TOR no doubt is. Good for him, but bad for the ME series.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn all the way, if we assume that ME 1 and its characters were mostly his writing, and ME 2 mostly the doing of Mr. Walters.

There has to be a reason after all that Mr. Karpyshyn was "allowed" to work on the most important project for BioWare/EA, which TOR no doubt is. Good for him, but bad for the ME series.

Wrong.

Walters wrote Garrus and Wrex
Chris wrote Ash
Drew wrote Liara

Drew did not write all the characters or all of the lore. Walters did majority of the work for the Krogans ect. So no Drew did not write everything.

[Kolos2]

So any Bioware writer that has a history writing some parts in their games is fit to fill the role of a LEAD writer ? and i was not impressed with Jade ether, the worst scored game of Bioware to this date i think

There is a reason why gaming companies hire professional writers for their projects, and not the sidekicks
Something Bethsoft did not learn to this day 

Modifié par Kolos2, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:43 .

[Fraevar]

Hmm, I'd have to say I prefer Drew's style, because he grounds things better. Meaning when something happens, you often say: "Hmm, makes sense for that to happen or for [character] to do that."



Mac is a good character writer but his stories tend to feature lots of over-the-top action bits, which is something I personally found to reach critical mass (har har har) in ME2, where it seemed like everything else took a backseat to their huge action sequences. That isn't what makes a good story.

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

So any Bioware writer that has a history writing some parts in their games is fit to fill the role of a LEAD writer ? and i was in impressed with Jade eather, the worst scored game io Bioware to this date

There is a reason why gaming companies hire professional writers for their projects

OMG! You want to go ratings? Then I will bite. ME2 is Biowares best rated game, that must mean it also has the best story ever right? Rating means nothing when it comes to a story. Jade Empire had a fantastic story, in fact out of these two writers, I would say they are sub par to Gaider, that is a writer, he should have worked on ME. Gaider trumps Walters and Drew anyday.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:45 .

[Kolos2]

Im giving you facts, Drew wrote a bestseller novel and many other works, he has proven that hes an writer, Mac did wrote what ? other that some ingame story content

The rest is a matter of preference;

Modifié par Kolos2, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:52 .

[kraidy1117]

Kolos2 wrote...

Im giving you facts, Drew wrote a bestseller novel and many other works, he has proven that hes an writer, Mac did wrote what ? other that some ingame story content

The rest is a matter of preference;

Drews books will be forgotten in years. TRhey will never be up there with works like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter.

[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Walters wrote Garrus and Wrex
Chris wrote Ash
Drew wrote Liara

Drew did not write all the characters or all of the lore. Walters did majority of the work for the Krogans ect. So no Drew did not write everything.

It's a shame that Chris L'Etoile left BioWare

I think Ash, Legion and Thane are some of the most interesting characters...not my favorites, but well written.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

What Characters did Drew make? Aside from Liara.

"EDIT" Scracth that. I wanna know which writer made each squadmate.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 25 juillet 2010 - 12:55 .