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Karpyshyn, without a shadow of a doubt.

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Mister Mida wrote...

Well it took a while. But after 100 votes on the poll, 93% favour Karpyshyn over Walters. Who woulda thunk it?

I'm not in the least bit surprised.

Do we know who's writing ME3 yet? Will Walters be the lead again, or (crosses all fingers and all toes) will Karpyshyn be taking over again? Oh, I so hope he does.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

It's probably unfair to blame Walters for the main plot of ME2 as he's probably working within the outline given to him. I find it REALLY hard to believe Bioware didn't have a basic plot outline for the three games before they started making them. In reality the doctors or somebody higher than them said "this needs be a trilogy" before they had a story lengthy enough to actually be three 12+ hour games. The Reaper Saga could probably knocked out in two games but Bioware stretched it out to get that dough.

Sure there are probably legitimate reasons to rip him a new one on other things but I doubt the main plot arc is one them.

I doubt that anyone but Casey Hudson decided that it would be a trilogy. The docs know better than to lay down orders on their own employees that are not gonna be appreciated. And EA was only in it after ME (1) got released for 360.

Even if you have to go down the chain of command a few notches to assign blame it doesn't change the heart of my point.

[Ulicus]

Terror_K wrote...

All I know is that I preferred ME1's more classic and semi-hard sci-fi leanings to ME2's more modern Hollywood ones.

Same here. I enjoyed ME2 well enough -- a lot, actually -- but it's basically a comic book superhero story, now.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 août 2010 - 06:06 .

[Mister Mida]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

It's probably unfair to blame Walters for the main plot of ME2 as he's probably working within the outline given to him. I find it REALLY hard to believe Bioware didn't have a basic plot outline for the three games before they started making them. In reality the doctors or somebody higher than them said "this needs be a trilogy" before they had a story lengthy enough to actually be three 12+ hour games. The Reaper Saga could probably knocked out in two games but Bioware stretched it out to get that dough.

Sure there are probably legitimate reasons to rip him a new one on other things but I doubt the main plot arc is one them.

I doubt that anyone but Casey Hudson decided that it would be a trilogy. The docs know better than to lay down orders on their own employees that are not gonna be appreciated. And EA was only in it after ME (1) got released for 360.

Even if you have to go down the chain of command a few notches to assign blame it doesn't change the heart of my point.

I agree with you that so far Bioware hasn't given us the impression that they have the entire plotline thought out, but I find it hard to believe that Mass Effect started out as just two games.

[Ulicus]

I think part of the problem with ME1 to ME2, as the first act of a trilogy progressing to the second, was so little of ME1 foreshadowed anything that occured in the sequel. You don't need to have had everything planned out to do that, either. It's quite possible to use things retroactively so it seems like you were foreshadowing, even if at the time that wasn't your intention at all.

In some respects -- given that we actually heard about and interacted with the Shadow Broker and his/her agents in the first game -- it might have been better if we'd have been allied with the Shadow Broker in ME2, and Liara's crusade had been against Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

Especially since Shepard didn't have any background stories that involved the Shadow Broker killing his entire unit and being responsible for the most traumatic event of his life. <_<

Still, I think the transition from ME2 to ME3 will feel far more organic and natural, since you can already see that they are foreshadowing an awful lot. (Regarding Dark Matter and crazy-acting stars)

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 août 2010 - 06:29 .

[Xeranx]

Ulicus wrote...

I think part of the problem with ME1 to ME2, as the first act of a trilogy progressing to the second, was so little of ME1 foreshadowed anything that occured in the sequel. You don't need to have had everything planned out to do that, either. It's quite possible to use things retroactively so it seems like you were foreshadowing, even if at the time that wasn't your intention at all.

In some respects -- given that we actually heard about and interacted with the Shadow Broker and his/her agents in the first game -- it might have been better if we'd have been allied with the Shadow Broker in ME2, and Liara's crusade had been against Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

Especially since Shepard didn't have any background stories that involved the Shadow Broker killing his entire unit and being responsible for the most traumatic event of his life. <_<

Still, I think the transition from ME2 to ME3 will feel far more organic and natural, since you can already see that they are foreshadowing an awful lot. (Regarding Dark Matter and crazy-acting stars)

This will sound harsh, I can't or actually don't know how to properly inject the correct tone into text to stress how I'm saying this (and I'm boring you so I'll get to it)...Not having any kind of foreshadowing of the next game is no excuse.  The game was told and set in such a way that if they weren't able to do ME2 then you'd still be able to enjoy ME.  

In making ME2 what they should have done is gone back into ME and see what loose ends they may have left.  Then they could have moved the story forward from there.  It's exactly what I would have done if I were in their position especially when you figure you only have two years to get everything right so people can enjoy your work.

[Lunatic LK47]

I prefer Mac's writing mainly because it actually attempted to show the double-edged sword of the entire universe, and like others said, he actually made the characters actually relateable. In ME1, I only managed to relate to Wrex and Garrus mainly because I've been in their shoes to some extent (minus the "I had to kill my father" and "my squadmate betrayed me."), and wasn't able to connect with anyone else. Tali was "Encyclopedia Quarianica," Liara being "Encyclopedia Asarianica" and having the over-the-top shyness that I'm doubtful I'd find a girl like her in real life, Kaidan being freaking bland, Ashley the racist zealot for almost half the game (until you do actually persuade her).

[Xeranx]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

I prefer Mac's writing mainly because it actually attempted to show the double-edged sword of the entire universe, and like others said, he actually made the characters actually relateable. In ME1, I only managed to relate to Wrex and Garrus mainly because I've been in their shoes to some extent (minus the "I had to kill my father" and "my squadmate betrayed me."), and wasn't able to connect with anyone else. Tali was "Encyclopedia Quarianica," Liara being "Encyclopedia Asarianica" and having the over-the-top shyness that I'm doubtful I'd find a girl like her in real life, Kaidan being freaking bland, Ashley the racist zealot for almost half the game (until you do actually persuade her).

Ashley is not a racist zealot as confirmed by the person who wrote her.  The zealotry in classifying Ashley as either is ironic.

[Tazzmission]

wait is Mass Effect: Incursion even out yet?

[Lunatic LK47]

Xeranx wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

I prefer Mac's writing mainly because it actually attempted to show the double-edged sword of the entire universe, and like others said, he actually made the characters actually relateable. In ME1, I only managed to relate to Wrex and Garrus mainly because I've been in their shoes to some extent (minus the "I had to kill my father" and "my squadmate betrayed me."), and wasn't able to connect with anyone else. Tali was "Encyclopedia Quarianica," Liara being "Encyclopedia Asarianica" and having the over-the-top shyness that I'm doubtful I'd find a girl like her in real life, Kaidan being freaking bland, Ashley the racist zealot for almost half the game (until you do actually persuade her).

Ashley is not a racist zealot as confirmed by the person who wrote her.  The zealotry in classifying Ashley as either is ironic.

I did say "almost half the game" for a reason. Almost all of the dialogue pre-persuasion is more or less Ashley being biased against aliens.

[Mister Mida]

Tazzmission wrote...

wait is Mass Effect: Incursion even out yet?

Incursion is just a small story for a supposed plothole. This is pretty much it.

[brfritos]

 

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...

So he did write a novel or some other work that Bioware games ?

He was one of Jade Empires writers and he has been part of ME since the begining. I told you, he WROTE Wrex and Garrus. Wrex was a very good character, Walters just has a problem with plots, he has learned from his mistakes and that is why I think ME3 will be better.

I sure hope so, because the reason from "that Drell" helping Liara recovering Shepard's body in the comic book is just plain insulting.

[Xeranx]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

I prefer Mac's writing mainly because it actually attempted to show the double-edged sword of the entire universe, and like others said, he actually made the characters actually relateable. In ME1, I only managed to relate to Wrex and Garrus mainly because I've been in their shoes to some extent (minus the "I had to kill my father" and "my squadmate betrayed me."), and wasn't able to connect with anyone else. Tali was "Encyclopedia Quarianica," Liara being "Encyclopedia Asarianica" and having the over-the-top shyness that I'm doubtful I'd find a girl like her in real life, Kaidan being freaking bland, Ashley the racist zealot for almost half the game (until you do actually persuade her).

Ashley is not a racist zealot as confirmed by the person who wrote her.  The zealotry in classifying Ashley as either is ironic.

I did say "almost half the game" for a reason. Almost all of the dialogue pre-persuasion is more or less Ashley being biased against aliens.

My point is the writer stated that she is not a racist at all.  There's a difference between being outward dislike for anyone who is different from you and being cautious.  If Ashley were racist why would she be willing to work with aliens.  Also look at Pressly's attitude towards Turians and look at Ashley's...especially when she says "If you want me to kiss a Turian" after her stated mistrust of aliens.

Also, her "zealotry" is non-existent.  Also, the founding fathers of the United States put God in the pledge of allegiance, and on our money and they are, in no way, thought of as zealots.  At least no one opposed to religion that I know has claimed that they were.

[Tazzmission]

drew karpshyn the man has a gift for writting a breat novel trilogy. i read walters redemtion comicics and there good but it seemed really slow paced.

[EvilPikachu]

Going back to the posts from the guy who wrote a lot of the Codex stuff for Earth in ME1, Karpyshyn was the guy who pused for the Gene Roddenberry-esque "united world government" vision.



Presumably, now that Drew is focusing on the Old Republic, it was Mac Walters who allowed the "gun that killed two presidents" and "Second Civil War" stuff in the Kasumi DLC, so I vote for Mac b/c when I look at our current political climate, I can see the Earth becoming more fragmented rather than more unified in the future.

[EvilPikachu]

Ashley also has a "setback' after Shepard's death, as she goes from being "you MUST save the council" to "I'm no fan of aliens" during the reunion.

[ace1221]

when writing a game, writers are given a 'general outline' ie the story will go from point a to point b to point c etc. It is then the writers job to fill in the details. the overall direction of the story is not their major concern.



i think that people are sometimes too hard on the plot of ME2. BW always said that this would be their 'empire strikes back' of the trilogy. If i remember correctly nothing much plot wise happens in the empire! yes we find out SPOILER ALERT (lol) that vader is lukes father, but what else really happens? all the events, like the escape from hoth, luke training on dagobah and han being encased in carbonite set up the finale in episode 6. it is similar in ME2. yeah we find out the collectors are building a reaper with straws and human glue, but the story is mainly concerned with setting up for the grand finale.



both ME1 and ME2 have their own writing styles in accordance with their overall direction. ME3 should be killer

[darthgamer6621]

This isn't really fair becuase waltlers has only written short comics whereas drew has wriiten 3 novels. If walters wrote the next novel then we can fairly and realistically compare the two until then it's obvious.

[smudboy]

Mister Mida is a sexy bastard and I love this topic.

[GlobalStrike]

As i know very little of walters work, and i really liked karpyshyns novels, especially the darth bane books, i prefer drew, although his mass effect books seem a little sub-par, though i still like them.

[Tazzmission]

darthgamer6621 wrote...

This isn't really fair becuase waltlers has only written short comics whereas drew has wriiten 3 novels. If walters wrote the next novel then we can fairly and realistically compare the two until then it's obvious.

actually drew wrote more than just 3 novels.... i highly recomend the darth bane books he wrote,

[Driveninhifi]

Karpyshyn for sure. Mainly because a lot of the plot of ME2 felt quite forced, and the characters that are the most interesting were written by Patrick Weekes from what I understand (Mordin).



The Liara comic was really bad and the entire thing felt completely out of character. When every preview/review mentions that as the first thing (they all say "Liara is competely different, WTF?"), you did something very wrong. Not to mention Liara's motivations in ME2 don't make any sense for the most part. ("Yeah Shepard I can't help you because I'm avenging you and rescuing this guy I don't even like. Sorry.")



Really, I feel the plot suffers from a lot of "Wouldn't it be awesome if this happened? Let's do it anyway and come up with a reason later!" The ME1 love interests, for example. And at the very beginning, why would Shepard work with Cerberus? You could easily kill both Miranda and Jacob and steal their shuttle. Too much of the plot is forced, in my opinion.

[Harcken]

I'm going to go with Walters, just because I absolutely loathed the ME1 dialogue. So much of it was filled with just stupid nonsense; whereas I absolutely adored ME2 dialogue/companions. I don't know if Mac truly flipped the dialogue upside down, but please, go with the ME2 squad/style of writing.