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[ViSeiRa]

Hey guys,

We all know by now that the game will span around for 10 years, I think that's a good thing actually but what I can't get my head around is how are the devs gonna handle companions at this span?

I mean, will all the companions stay with you for the duration of the 10 years?? how can the devs explain that? why would someone stay with Hawke for 10 full years unless they're family?????

In games that span around that much time, like say Assassins Creed II, it was just the story of Ezio, just one character, and I think it was handled well, yeah there was some offs about it but overall it was believable.

Now what I think of is that there'll be different companions for different years, if that so then we'd lose all the time we invested at leveling some companion and distributing skill points and talents and stuff...... in origins we had a goal, the game spanned months at the most and we can understand why each companion stayed for that much time because they had a goal and that is to defeat the blight, after that each goes their own way, what's the goal of Hawke's quest, story or whatever, what motivates these companions to stay with him for that long time, I think we need clarification on that part.

I don't know if this was discussed before, if so then please could you provide a link to the article?

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[Faust1979]

maybe we get different compannions as the years change? and they can kill some off bring in new ones when needed

[C9316]

I agree with you that they'll be different companions for different years but I also think that if you raise a companions approval high enough they may choose to stay with you.

[iTomes]

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

[Xephyr829]

@iTomes Women can still be Attractive when there 40.

[Saibh]

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Says who? If developers, okay. If not, I don't believe it, since why would Flemeth wait so long to take over her daughter's body? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a young, beautiful body that lasts longer?

By the way, the toolset doesn't count, since it's really wonky on the ages of character's (Alistair's age is impossible in terms of timeline).

As for the handling companions--I'm really, really excited to see how they do it. I hope it allows for us to feel like our companions are real people with their own lives, and not only there for me to solve their life issue in a sidequest and then sleep with.

Modifié par Saibh, 21 juillet 2010 - 07:56 .

[Ravenwoud]

well i hope you can see a good difference in those 10 years.

also, i hope you perhaps meet for example a kid of 10 for example and that it joins you later in 5 years or so(yes it is a very talnted guys. perhaps a mage or rogue or something)

[ViSeiRa]

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Yeah, just depending on your action, not based on their approval at all, if their approval is so down they'll still stay with you, this is getting me worried actually, different companions would mean less time with each companion, and the fact that the game probably less or as long as Origins that means we won't get attached to the companions as we did in Origins.

[Grommash94]

Saibh wrote...

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Says who? If developers, okay. If not, I don't believe it, since why would Flemeth wait so long to take over her daughter's body? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a young, beautiful body that lasts longer?

By the way, the toolset doesn't count, since it's really wonky on the ages of character's.

I am fairly certain David said that somewhere.

[Pen-N-Paper]

Maybe DA2 will be a core storyline and longer DLC will advance relationships with companions over the years? This will extend the game. This idea is unlike the DA:O storyline that ended in the one game (so far) with expansions/dlc having very little to do with the DA:O storyline.

[Grommash94]

ViSeirA wrote...

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Yeah, just depending on your action, not based on their approval at all, if their approval is so down they'll still stay with you, this is getting me worried actually, different companions would mean less time with each companion, and the fact that the game probably less or as long as Origins that means we won't get attached to the companions as we did in Origins.

If the Russian magazine is to be believed, then DA2 is 3 times longer than Origins. I am going to take it literally just for the sake of being optimistic

But, I think, if you can get your companions to a high approval, they will stay with you, which means a deeper relationship in general. The opposite can be true too;  someone who hates you might just stay with you to show you up.

[iTomes]

SpectreWarden91 wrote...

@iTomes Women can still be Attractive when there 40.

no doubt^^ but still.... not as hot as with 30^^. besides i propably wasnt all clear what i meant for thats propably not really the problem here.the problem would be tha our character would have to have a defined age too. for example, the most origins characters where in the early twentys i guess. now our character must have a age at the beginning so he can look like he aged for ten years in the end. and, for example, i dont want to be a 30 year old guy who is together with a woman ten years older then he is for 10 years. besides, if hawke was thirty in the beginning, he wouldve to become a weaker till he was 40, so he would become weaker, not stronger during the game. 

[Saibh]

Grommash94 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Says who? If developers, okay. If not, I don't believe it, since why would Flemeth wait so long to take over her daughter's body? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a young, beautiful body that lasts longer?

By the way, the toolset doesn't count, since it's really wonky on the ages of character's.

I am fairly certain David said that somewhere.

Is there any way you can link me? 

[iTomes]

"Says who? If developers, okay. If not, I don't believe it, since why would Flemeth wait so long to take over her daughter's body? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a young, beautiful body that lasts longer?"



pretty sure i got it from david gaider in some kind of "omg alistair is morrigans brother" thread.

[ViSeiRa]

Grommash94 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

iTomes wrote...

well i think the bigger problem lies in the LIs. you see, morrigan for example was 30 in dragon age 1. if da1 wouldve spanned 10 years she would've been 40 in the end and ....just not hot anymore. so youre either taking the romance options pretty late (after 5 years for example, what would implement hawke was a single for 5 years...loser) or youre making them pretty young (like 22-26 or something.) either way, itll be interesting how the designers solve that problem. besides, its already announced that some partymembers propably will leave you.

Yeah, just depending on your action, not based on their approval at all, if their approval is so down they'll still stay with you, this is getting me worried actually, different companions would mean less time with each companion, and the fact that the game probably less or as long as Origins that means we won't get attached to the companions as we did in Origins.

If the Russian magazine is to be believed, then DA2 is 3 times longer than Origins. I am going to take it literally just for the sake of being optimistic

But, I think, if you can get your companions to a high approval, they will stay with you, which means a deeper relationship in general. The opposite can be true too;  someone who hates you might just stay with you to show you up.

I think that magazine is wrong, think about it, DA:O was on 2 discs, you can argue that the second disc was for other languages but there it was, DA2 will have a fully voiced main character, that's more work, more disc space and less budget for other content, 3 times longer than origins would mean either 3 discs for one language or highly compressed textures which would be an epic fail.

[iTomes]

well if you hurried you could be through dao pretty fast.... everythings a matter of viewpoint...

[ViSeiRa]

iTomes wrote...

well if you hurried you could be through dao pretty fast.... everythings a matter of viewpoint...

How much content is there is not a matter of perspective, it's still the same amount, just it "seems" different according to your play style.

On-Topic: The age aspect is something I didn't notice too, if the companions would actually stay with you for long amounts of time, then the devs would have to consider the subtle changes in a character's look through the years, hair color, face. body size and such...... it's still unclear how they'd handle it, but if it's different companions they there's still the problem of not getting attached to your companions.