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[TheShadowWolf911]

spoilers somewhat

Genlocks = Dwarf Broodmothers
Hurlocks = Human Broodmothers
Shreiks = Elf Broodmothers
Ogres = Qunari Broodmothers


correct?
Dwarves = Can't use magic, or are immune to it mostly
Genlocks = Craploads of magic users?

explain.

[Tirigon]

It´s a kind of magic.







Or, maybe, a wizard did it.

[Loc'n'lol]

A wizard did it ?

[javierabegazo]

lol, good question. Why are there genlock mages...?

[AntiChri5]

Whatever prevented it is no longer a factor.

[Marzillius]

I'll use christian reason: IT WAS GOOOOOOOD!!1!!1!!

[TheShadowWolf911]

Marzillius wrote...

I'll use christian reason: IT WAS GOOOOOOOD!!1!!1!!

lol what?

[epoch_]

Marzillius wrote...

I'll use christian reason: IT WAS GOOOOOOOD!!1!!1!!

Obvious troll is incredibly obvious.

[filetemo]

bioware forums: pushing david gaider to invent lore on the fly to cover plot holes since 1996

[Lord Gremlin]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

A wizard did it ?

Yes, an alien wizard has casted his mighty spell. 

[NugWrangler]

Genlocks aren't dwarves though, their broodmother isn't one anymore either. Whatever makes dwarves resistant to magic must not apply to darkspawn.

[Heimdall]

They shoved a crapload of lyrium down the broodmother's throat

[BelSirk]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

spoilers somewhat

Genlocks = Dwarf Broodmothers
Hurlocks = Human Broodmothers
Shreiks = Elf Broodmothers
Ogres = Qunari Broodmothers


correct?
Dwarves = Can't use magic, or are immune to it mostly
Genlocks = Craploads of magic users?

explain.

I can't remember  on which post i read the answer to that: Darkspawn don't use magic but instead something "shadow" magic, that is the reason (SPOILER) The First was able to bring a spell-trap for bring everyone to the Fade withouth being a  mage, and yes the genlock get  the same resistance as dwaven for the magic

[TheShadowWolf911]

BelSirk wrote...

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

spoilers somewhat

Genlocks = Dwarf Broodmothers
Hurlocks = Human Broodmothers
Shreiks = Elf Broodmothers
Ogres = Qunari Broodmothers


correct?
Dwarves = Can't use magic, or are immune to it mostly
Genlocks = Craploads of magic users?

explain.

I can't remember  on which post i read the answer to that: Darkspawn don't use magic but instead something "shadow" magic, that is the reason (SPOILER) The First was able to bring a spell-trap for bring everyone to the Fade withouth being a  mage, and yes the genlock get  the same resistance as dwaven for the magic

the First wasn't a genlock though now was he?
besides, considering i've seen genlocks use spells your mages can learn (the fire spells), that is not much of a valid argument
on top of that, if it has the same resistance to magic as a dwarf, which is the reason dwarves can't be mages, doesn't that contradict how they can use magic?

they still share alot of attributes and physical similarities (no matter how few) as their untainted counterparts.
your admitting of the genlocks having the same resistance to magic as dwarves do proves as much.

besides, that spell you referred to was cooked up by the psycho broodmother, for the sole purpose of sending you and your party, as well as the First, to the Fade. i can't remember exactly, but it didn't look like he casted a spell, it just lifted up some object and the deed was done, besides when you fought him later he did NOT use magic.

[Altima Darkspells]

The answer's simple--they're darkspawn. Not dwarves. Dagna has a theory as to why dwarves cannot use magic, too, and it's not spiritual at all.

[Jigero]

The taint is it self is magical in origin, so it could have just infused them with abilities. Kinda like enchanting a Golem. Think of the darkspawn as a type of flesh Golem.

[iTomes]

to find out why the genlocks can use magic and the dwarfes dont you have to find out why the dwarfes cant. i personally vote for a form of "magical impotence" because of lyrium.... you see just like you get impotent if youre holding you crownjewels into a nuclear reactor or something...

[rabidhanar]

Good point, I never noticed it until now. I myself, do not remember encountering genlock mages. I only noticed the hurlock ones. Maybe this is because I set my heavy hitters to prioritize against mages asap.



As to the question: As well as I know, the blood ritual gives us wardens extra abilities. In addition to this, you can learn better abilities by either enhancing that blood or drinking dragon's blood. This probably is similar to what the genlocks experience. The broodmothers obtain extra abilities (and become UGLY as all heck) and their offspring obtain powers from them. The Archdemon transformed the broodmothers into what they are through it's blood, who really knows the extent of the broodmothers abilities.

[Zevais]

Dwarves can use magic; it is just difficult. If you allowed that dwarf girl to study at the Circle, she will actually be a mage involved in a new Circle of Magi facility that gets built within Orzammar.



Dwarves have difficulty only because of lyrium taint. If the dwarven broodmother birthed the particular genlocks away from from heavy concentrations of lyrium inside or outside the deep roads, I am sure there would be many Genlocks without that lyrium taint.



Also... mages make battles more difficult and extravagant. I am sure that is the primary reason they put Genlock mages in the game... effect sometimes overrides logic.



I mean, seriously, look at the whole controversy with high dragon vs high god and no elf hybrid debates... sometimes there are just plot holes that the creators try to cover up so things can be easier for themselves.

[BelSirk]

found the topic , i paste the answer

The emissaries are "evolved" Darkspawn which can talk(in their own ArchDemonie language) and command other Darkspawn. According to the book - The Calling, they use their taint instead of mana to power their spells. Hence, you never see a Darkspawn become an Abomination and also their spells differ when compared to uncorrupted beings(for example, they cannot use healing spells, according to the book). In the game, you'll notice that they're able to use all the spells we are able to, making it somewhat like a plot hole.
Now, I do not think that Dwarves just "turn" into Genlocks. No matter what race, all beings turn into Ghouls. When the females of the dwarven race are corrupted and raped by Darkspawn, they turn into BroodMothers. These BroodMothers produce Genlocks, Hurlocks or Ogres, if they were Dwarves, Humans or Qunari respectively before being corrupted. The respective produced offsprings need not necessarily carry the same properties of their uncorrupted brothers. Hope that makes sense.

Topic link: http://social.biowar...9/index/2575332

the First wasn't a genlock though now was he?
besides,
considering i've seen genlocks use spells your mages can learn (the fire
spells), that is not much of a valid argument
on top of that, if it
has the same resistance to magic as a dwarf, which is the reason dwarves
can't be mages, doesn't that contradict how they can use magic?

....

besides,
that spell you referred to was cooked up by the psycho broodmother, for
the sole purpose of sending you and your party, as well as the First,
to the Fade. i can't remember exactly, but it didn't look like he casted
a spell, it just lifted up some object and the deed was done, besides
when you fought him later he did NOT use magic.

Well, the First was a Dakrspawn and a warrior, yet he was able to use a spell-object, though now i remember, my warrior was able to use the Litany too... (the first time i used the littany with my mages)  so, could be the same case for the First

Now, Keepers magic shouildn't be the same as the Circle of Magic, even Morrigan's magic, because those are Hedge mages and the  methods aren't akin, on my opinion for purpose of the  gameplay those spell are the same (The same fireball, heal, drain life, etc for the 3 cases) what is similar the reason Morrigan only change his form to spider, bear, insect though she can turn on almost any animal  which lure the Kokari forest, like the wolf she turned when you refused to do the dark ritual

P.d. sorry by my english, isn't native

Modifié par BelSirk, 22 juillet 2010 - 02:09 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I thought that it was a pretty well known fact that it was because of the taint in their blood. Also note how Shrieks, being born from the most magically potent race, ironically do not yet have a magic wielding member of their race shown in the games.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 22 juillet 2010 - 02:11 .

[saruman85]

What BelSirk said. It says in The Calling that darkspawn have "their own magics" which are different from humans', and they can teach this magic to humans. It causes human mages' eyes to turn black whilst casting. Probably similar to what Avernus was cooking up in Warden's Keep.

[Vandicus]

Darkspawn magic != regular magic.



Genlocks != Dwarves