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[Andraste_Reborn]

The really interesting question for me is whether the Dwarven resistance to magic and inability to perform it is genetic or environmental, something that I don't think has been definitively settled yet. It seems clear that dwarves and humans descend from a common ancestor that's evolved in different directions. Dwarves have evolved to be shorter and stockier than their human cousins, but did they also evolve their lyrium resistance? Or is it caused by environmental exposure?

If the former, don't expect to see dwarf mages any time soon. If the latter, a few generations born on the surface and there may be dwarves in contact with the Fade and performing magic all over the place.

Modifié par Andrastee, 22 juillet 2010 - 03:28 .

[BelSirk]

Andrastee wrote...

The really interesting question for me is whether the Dwarven resistance to magic and inability to perform it is genetic or environmental, something that I don't think has been definitively settled yet. It seems clear that dwarves and humans descend from a common ancestor that's evolved in different directions. Dwarves have evolved to be shorter and stockier than their human cousins, but did they also evolve their lyrium resistance? Or is it caused by environmental exposure?

If the former, don't expect to see dwarf mages any time soon. If the latter, a few generations born on the surface and there may be dwarves in contact with the Fade and performing magic all over the place.

I don't think so, being the Dwarven one of the most ancient races and once time the most powerful, they should y know if the one who lose the "stone  sense" could become mages, even on all those centuries would be one or two mages dwarven (after all thanks to the darkspawn being underground isn't a healthy option )

I'm not sure, but any dwarven who get a open wound and expose to Lyrium get sicked too (at least, that is the case of the merchant at orzammar) so, they are robust against lyrium even can feel it but only have a extra protection against that... so, the most close answer to your question it's : genetic, though on this game  i don't like use genetic/science concept for explain things... there the blood it's more powerful than brains and with that is the answer to all the secrets 

[TheShadowWolf911]

saruman85 wrote...

What BelSirk said. It says in The Calling that darkspawn have "their own magics" which are different from humans', and they can teach this magic to humans. It causes human mages' eyes to turn black whilst casting. Probably similar to what Avernus was cooking up in Warden's Keep.

this might be true, or to quote Avernus "there is power in the blood, it is alien to them (the demons)"
even demons know little of the darkspawn, them having their own types of magic drawn from a different source is possible. (bet a Grey Warden Mage could learn them.

[Shepard Lives]

Darkspawn magic is no regular magic, presumably. Also, they're not *exactly* dwarves, they're only based on them.



You know, I can just see dwarves turning themselves into genlocks so they can do magic.

[svenus97]

Genlocks aren't Dwarves they are Darkspawn. Humans and Elves draw their magic from the Fade, Dwarves can't. Genlocks draw their magic from the taint.

[TheShadowWolf911]

svenus97 wrote...

Genlocks aren't Dwarves they are Darkspawn. Humans and Elves draw their magic from the Fade, Dwarves can't. Genlocks draw their magic from the taint.

........perhaps

[Skilled Seeker]

shepard_lives wrote...

Darkspawn magic is no regular magic, presumably. Also, they're not *exactly* dwarves, they're only based on them.

You know, I can just see dwarves turning themselves into genlocks so they can do magic.

Except thats not how it works. If dwarves become tainted then they eventually become ghouls and die just like other races. So they can never use magic though female dwarves can give birth to magic using genlocks should they become broodmothers. Then again I doubt they retain any semblance of their former self at that point.

[Gaxhung]

The idea of a dwarf, elf or whatever, having their own biological structure, somehow turn into broodmothers, who bare no resemblance to any other race whatsoever is absolutely fantastical. If that can happen by just eating stuff, then darkspawn casting spells isn't that strange by comparison.



I do wish the DP spells look different, generally "dark" style. Like how mage spells and warlock spells are different in WoW.

[Skilled Seeker]

Gaxhung wrote...

The idea of a dwarf, elf or whatever, having their own biological structure, somehow turn into broodmothers, who bare no resemblance to any other race whatsoever is absolutely fantastical. If that can happen by just eating stuff, then darkspawn casting spells isn't that strange by comparison.

I do wish the DP spells look different, generally "dark" style. Like how mage spells and warlock spells are different in WoW.

They become broodmothers by being raped by darkspawn. They don't eat their seed

[Gaxhung]

@Skilled Seeker ...
Nasty ...

filaminstrel wrote...

I think it may be a bit of both, unfortunately.

I'm sure the fondling of taints (like you said) is involved as well =D

[Alexander1136]

i wondered that myself perhaps the darkspawn use a the taint to fuel there magic and not lyrium.

[Gill Kaiser]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

spoilers somewhat

Genlocks = Dwarf Broodmothers
Hurlocks = Human Broodmothers
Shreiks = Elf Broodmothers
Ogres = Qunari Broodmothers


correct?
Dwarves = Can't use magic, or are immune to it mostly
Genlocks = Craploads of magic users?

explain.

Darkspawn use a special kind of blood magic whose power comes from the Darkspawn Taint. All darkspawn are disconnected from the Fade anyway, so the fact that Genlocks are based on a species who also are disconnected doesn't make much difference to them.

[battle hunger]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...

The idea of a dwarf, elf or whatever, having their own biological structure, somehow turn into broodmothers, who bare no resemblance to any other race whatsoever is absolutely fantastical. If that can happen by just eating stuff, then darkspawn casting spells isn't that strange by comparison.

I do wish the DP spells look different, generally "dark" style. Like how mage spells and warlock spells are different in WoW.

They become broodmothers by being raped by darkspawn. They don't eat their seed

err that's only part of what's needed to become a broodmother, the darkspawns also force the female to eat the flesh  of sentient beings as part of the transformation.  So you're both partially right.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

If exposure to lyrium causes dwarves to lose magical ability, then new dwarves being born by broodmothers away from lyrium will produce dwarf-spawn with the potential to cast magic? The question would be: has lyrium exposure made dwarves genetically forever altered to influence with the Fade or is it just a product of everyday contact with lyrium? I tend to think it's the latter, but then again this is fantasy and the lore could change in a heartbeat. It could be that nugs are secretly stealing dwarven mojo for their own fantastic magical experiments, offering only their weak bretheren as blood sacrifices to the unknowing dwarf folk.