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[Saibh]

joriandrake wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I am all for gender equality in jobs but to replace one inequality for another worries me too

I don't think that it is productive to derail this conversation in this manner, to go after the 'bogeyman' of 'femi****s' in order to ignore the legitimate points brought up by more moderate women. Instead of going off on the extremists in order to avoid dealing with the work of finding a solution, can we please instead look at the women who have spoken up, here, and treat them in accordance with their words and actions instead of vilifying them for a very small percentage which has not made itself evident, here?

....   ... what is willyfying? :happy:

vilify [ˈvɪlɪˌfaɪ]vb
-fies, -fying, -fied (tr)1. to revile with abusive or defamatory language;
malign he has been vilified in the tabloid
press2. Rare to make
vile; debase; degrade[from Late Latin vīlificāre,
from Latin vīlis worthless + facere to make]

You read it wrong.

[Arttis]

Better to assume there are no women on the interenet than be wrong...
Moving on.
The marketing is ok.They know about you *possibly* girls and your opinions.They will probably advertise it a bit.Not overly so since some people hear female is MC?not buying.

Modifié par Arttis, 22 juillet 2010 - 04:37 .

[joriandrake]

errant_knight wrote...

We should probably keep this on the marketing aspect, otherwise it will get real ugly, real fast--and have nothing to do with DA2

well, with the Bethany threads and homosexual threads locked this thread seems to have gained more attention lately, I agree btw that this seems to get derailed now

[errant_knight]

Arttis wrote...

WE need Buff women...you know at least make women buff for the massive plate armor model.

I'd like that, but given that there's only one body type in this game model (although that may change), I don't see it happening. They're not going to want to make a whole separate unit of meshes to add a more muscular body type--and it would be a bit odd to see characters like the Revered Mothers and Anora all bulked up.

[iamthespark]

Yes, I agree with the Original Poster.

[Addai]

Amyntas wrote...

I don't want to start a political discussion, but to many men feminism has become a partisan position that doesn't respect the rights of men at all, especially in divorce and custody laws. There is nothing wrong with demanding equality of course.

And some women agree.  Also with what someone said up above, that along with other -ism's, it's used as a pretext to nag and get attention, sometimes destroying careers and even lives in the process because of hypersensitivity and sensationalism.

I don't think that's the case here, and in the end it's just a video game.  Though that sensitivity kind of feeds on itself and permeates everything.  Personally I abhor the trend to stick a woman everywhere as a token.  Don't ruin good action movies by having Barbie with a machine gun show up, for instance. 

[C9316]

Jimmie_Rox wrote...

I know it's wrong but reading this thread I just had to xD

[joriandrake]

Saibh wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I am all for gender equality in jobs but to replace one inequality for another worries me too

I don't think that it is productive to derail this conversation in this manner, to go after the 'bogeyman' of 'femi****s' in order to ignore the legitimate points brought up by more moderate women. Instead of going off on the extremists in order to avoid dealing with the work of finding a solution, can we please instead look at the women who have spoken up, here, and treat them in accordance with their words and actions instead of vilifying them for a very small percentage which has not made itself evident, here?

....   ... what is willyfying? :happy:

vilify [ˈvɪlɪˌfaɪ]vb
-fies, -fying, -fied (tr)1. to revile with abusive or defamatory language;
malign he has been vilified in the tabloid
press2. Rare to make
vile; debase; degrade[from Late Latin vīlificāre,
from Latin vīlis worthless + facere to make]

You read it wrong.

okay then ... I have no clue why my comment got such a reaction once again or what Hawksblut believes I said :happy:

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

I don't want to start a political discussion, but to many men feminism has become a partisan position that doesn't respect the rights of men at all, especially in divorce and custody laws. There is nothing wrong with demanding equality of course.

And some women agree.  Also with what someone said up above, that along with other -ism's, it's used as a pretext to nag and get attention, sometimes destroying careers and even lives in the process because of hypersensitivity and sensationalism.

I don't think that's the case here, and in the end it's just a video game.  Though that sensitivity kind of feeds on itself and permeates everything.  Personally I abhor the trend to stick a woman everywhere as a token.  Don't ruin good action movies by having Barbie with a machine gun show up, for instance. 

Or...she could not be a barbie.

[soteria]

Oh, sorry! I meant, if she has a particular face she's being marketed as a female Hawke across the board, rather than seeing a random woman using a mage spell in one shot and a bow in another.

But does that mean you feel archers or dual-wield rogues (or whatever) aren't being represented properly? Some people identify very strongly with a certain class. If Bioware uses a spear-wielding male warrior and a sword and board female warrior as game icons, couldn't those people just as rightly argue that Bioware is emphasizing warriors over mages and rogues? Shouldn't they feel that those classes are going to get less attention from the design team if they aren't displayed in marketing? That's the argument I've seen here for marketing an iconic female--players might feel women aren't given sufficient/proper treatment in-game. Why shouldn't Bioware also market an iconic mage, archer, rogue, etc?

[Wishpig]

Kolos2 wrote...

i do wonder tho if people complain in a heavy masculine game like God of War why is there no female option?

Or gears of war
Or halo
Or Uncharted
Or Metal Gear
Hey look! Three of the most popular western gaming franchises ever! What do they have in common? Oh yeah, an masculine hero advertised on the cover.

Looks to me like the manly guy on the front sells well.
Hmmmmm <_<

Damn I wonder what the science behind it all is... and you know there is something subconscious to it all...

Modifié par Wishpig, 22 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .

[Arttis]

Nah its because we like to involve RL with games that things become complicated and people get hurt feelings and cry big tears to those that care.

[Saibh]

errant_knight wrote...

Arttis wrote...

WE need Buff women...you know at least make women buff for the massive plate armor model.

I'd like that, but given that there's only one body type in this game model (although that may change), I don't see it happening. They're not going to want to make a whole separate unit of meshes to add a more muscular body type--and it would be a bit odd to see characters like the Revered Mothers and Anora all bulked up.

It'd be alright if I could choose, but if I had to pick, I'd pick femShepard-esque proportions. She doesn't wear plate armor, of course, but still.

[Kolos2]

exactly

[errant_knight]

Double Post- Forum's going sideways this morning....

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 juillet 2010 - 04:47 .

[errant_knight]

Saibh wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Arttis wrote...

WE need Buff women...you know at least make women buff for the massive plate armor model.

I'd like that, but given that there's only one body type in this game model (although that may change), I don't see it happening. They're not going to want to make a whole separate unit of meshes to add a more muscular body type--and it would be a bit odd to see characters like the Revered Mothers and Anora all bulked up.

It'd be alright if I could choose, but if I had to pick, I'd pick femShepard-esque proportions. She doesn't wear plate armor, of course, but still.

Muscular Anora would scare the snot out of me. She's already pretty terrifying. In any case, a portrayal of an equally heroic female Hawke wouldn't scare off buyers, I don't think, as long as the guys could see that they could play a male Hawke.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 juillet 2010 - 04:46 .

[Hawksblud]

joriandrake wrote...
okay then ... I have no clue why my comment got such a reaction once again or what Hawksblut believes I said

Haha, I didn't mean to go off on you, man. Or at least, it was not directed specifically at you. (Maybe I shouldn't have quoted, sorry.) It was more a general reaction to where the thread was going, which was OT. 

[Riona45]

Monstruo696 wrote...

Again, this thing of women playing video games started happening a few years ago. 

I've been playing video games since the 80s. 

[Arttis]

Riona45 wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

Again, this thing of women playing video games started happening a few years ago. 

I've been playing video games since the 80s. 

But your not Women.....your all alone in the 80s...

[joriandrake]

Hawksblud wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
okay then ... I have no clue why my comment got such a reaction once again or what Hawksblut believes I said

Haha, I didn't mean to go off on you, man. Or at least, it was not directed specifically at you. (Maybe I shouldn't have quoted, sorry.) It was more a general reaction to where the thread was going, which was OT. 

no worries, I start to get used to being bashed for things I didn't do/mean in both RL and forums by straight/homosexual people lately :happy:

...this said, I realize now I should worry myself more about the recent growing tendency of aggression against me 

[Hawksblud]

Wishpig wrote...

Hey look! Three of the most popular western gaming franchises ever! What do they have in common? Oh yeah, an masculine hero advertised on the cover.

Looks to me like the manly guy on the front sells well.
Hmmmmm

Sure, it sells well. They're all good games. But I think my main problem with your comment is the idea that (1) having some promo shots of a female hero will hurt sales, and (2) we shouldn't change marketing strategies, ever. Releasing a screenshot of femHawke or a few sketches by a concept artist will not hurt sales, nor will it hurt the game. It will not encroach upon male 'territory', nor will it affect the majority of teenage male opinions on the game.

[Hawksblud]

Double post fail. Sorry, guys. xp

Modifié par Hawksblud, 22 juillet 2010 - 04:48 .

[Clover Rider]

Arttis wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

Again, this thing of women playing video games started happening a few years ago. 

I've been playing video games since the 80s. 

But your not Women.....your all alone in the 80s...

I love the 80s  .

[iTomes]

joriandrake wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
okay then ... I have no clue why my comment got such a reaction once again or what Hawksblut believes I said

Haha, I didn't mean to go off on you, man. Or at least, it was not directed specifically at you. (Maybe I shouldn't have quoted, sorry.) It was more a general reaction to where the thread was going, which was OT. 

no worries, I start to get used to being bashed for things I didn't do/mean in both RL and forums by straight/homosexual people lately :happy:

...this said, I realize now I should worry myself more about the recent growing tendency of aggression against me 

almos everyone is beating at you once, but almost nobody does twice.... thats something 

[Arttis]

I remember the 80s....Not existing...