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Riona45 wrote...
joriandrake wrote...
I said the meaning of feminism in the recent years started to change, I never said it was that since the start, and if you read a lot of other comments you see it is not just my opinion
*shrug* I don't really care that it's not just your opinion. That has no bearing on the truth of the matter.also, are you planning to flame me?
No. Did you want me to?
I probably could make you cry but I wasn't really interested in that.
Modifié par joriandrake, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:20 .
Kolos2 wrote...
Hawksblud wrote...
Saibh wrote...
2) Mages aren't an underrepresented minority. No one is going to identify with them. There isn't an apostate sitting behind his computer feeling left out.
This. This, so hard.PriscilaSSR wrote...
Still, is sad that men can't look outside themselves and identify with anything but their reflection.
Yes. It's also sad that women are expected to always be able to identify with a male lead, whereas men shy away from having to identify with a female lead. In the RPG genre, we (supposedly) are focused on characterization, on stepping into a character who is not us. None of us are Ferelden Wardens, for example. Why the difficulty going one step farther? Again, I'll reiterate: why is it stranger to be a dominant woman than to cast spells that light your enemies on fire?
Well might be that the two genders dont function or think the same way? i freely admit i cant reflect to a female lead; identify myself with it; nothing against equality but we aint the same
That is how I look at it.joriandrake wrote...
Saibh wrote...
iTomes wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
joriandrake wrote...
to be fair, in recent years most of the time when feminism comes into play it doesn't have the original meaning but women who complain about things use it as an excuse to demand things to be pro-female pro-their dominance, instead of wanting real equality, it is as if the worl starts to go from male dominated stuff to female dominated one
I am all for gender equality in jobs but to replace one inequality for another worries me too
Ah, a definition of feminism from a guy who obviously doesn't understand it. That's helpful.
Not that I'm surprising, given certain other statements I've seen you make.
i actually think jorians right. i usually dont see what you would call a femenist really wanting equality, most are only focused on the women, and thats just sexism, too.
I said this earlier on the thread, but the loudest part of a group tends to be the smallest, which runs hand-in-hand with craziest. Anti-male is not what feminism is. If that's all the feminists you've been seeing it's because they throw up the biggest noise, and you don't notice the more reasonable, larger portion. Seriously, what you said was ignorant and offensive. Wanting equal rights is not a bad thing. Feminism =/= bad thing.
noone said that, but by now it would be perhaps better to say "I am for equality" instead of "I am feminist" to avoid misunderstanding,
nationalism was not a "bad word" neither before Hitler showed up, and the swatiska is a holy symbol that got defiled
Saibh wrote...
iTomes wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
joriandrake wrote...
to be fair, in recent years most of the time when feminism comes into play it doesn't have the original meaning but women who complain about things use it as an excuse to demand things to be pro-female pro-their dominance, instead of wanting real equality, it is as if the worl starts to go from male dominated stuff to female dominated one
I am all for gender equality in jobs but to replace one inequality for another worries me too
Ah, a definition of feminism from a guy who obviously doesn't understand it. That's helpful.
Not that I'm surprising, given certain other statements I've seen you make.
i actually think jorians right. i usually dont see what you would call a femenist really wanting equality, most are only focused on the women, and thats just sexism, too.
I said this earlier on the thread, but the loudest part of a group tends to be the smallest, which runs hand-in-hand with craziest. Anti-male is not what feminism is. If that's all the feminists you've been seeing it's because they throw up the biggest noise, and you don't notice the more reasonable, larger portion. Seriously, what you said was ignorant and offensive. Wanting equal rights is not a bad thing. Feminism =/= bad thing.
Kolos2 wrote...
Well might be that the two genders dont function or think the same way? i freely admit i cant reflect to a female lead; identify myself with it; nothing against equality but we aint the same
It is equally [insert any adjective here] to be female as male. To be one or the other is not to be inferior, even if each comes with different pluses and minuses. Think of-- oh, think of traditional roleplay classes, mages versus warriors for example. Or we could do dwarves versus elves. Each one comes with it's own benefits... and it's own weaknesses. But neither is intrinsically 'better'. Thus if roleplay games were always marketed towards players who chose mages, and ignored the warriors, that would just be silly, no?
joriandrake wrote...
women in lit?
Modifié par Wishpig, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:25 .
Hawksblud wrote...
That our society does not think of a woman with equal possibility as a man for a cool hero character.
Geth :innocent:.Arttis wrote...
Everyone wants more power and control...who doesnt?
Saibh wrote...
iTomes wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
joriandrake wrote...
to be fair, in recent years most of the time when feminism comes into play it doesn't have the original meaning but women who complain about things use it as an excuse to demand things to be pro-female pro-their dominance, instead of wanting real equality, it is as if the worl starts to go from male dominated stuff to female dominated one
I am all for gender equality in jobs but to replace one inequality for another worries me too
Ah, a definition of feminism from a guy who obviously doesn't understand it. That's helpful.
Not that I'm surprising, given certain other statements I've seen you make.
i actually think jorians right. i usually dont see what you would call a femenist really wanting equality, most are only focused on the women, and thats just sexism, too.
I said this earlier on the thread, but the loudest part of a group tends to be the smallest, which runs hand-in-hand with craziest. Anti-male is not what feminism is. If that's all the feminists you've been seeing it's because they throw up the biggest noise, and you don't notice the more reasonable, larger portion. Seriously, what you said was ignorant and offensive. Wanting equal rights is not a bad thing. Feminism =/= bad thing.
Some Geth wrote...
Geth :innocent:.Arttis wrote...
Everyone wants more power and control...who doesnt?
Hawksblud wrote...
This is my definition of feminism:
http://tomatonation....sm/yes-you-are/
soteria wrote...
Why shouldn't Bioware also market an iconic mage, archer, rogue, etc?
Modifié par Riona45, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:29 .
Hawksblud wrote...
This is my definition of feminism:
http://tomatonation....sm/yes-you-are/
Modifié par iTomes, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:35 .
Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...II Relics II wrote...
So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??
Are you serious?
I am against any kind of discrimination, it just the power groups usually get less of it.iTomes wrote...
Hawksblud wrote...
This is my definition of feminism:
http://tomatonation....sm/yes-you-are/
"feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests — feminist n or adj — feministic adj"
i can totally live with that and think it is important. but why is it then that the most feministic organisations only postulate things for the woman, but nothing for the men (and i know one or two points (at least in german law) where we men are THIS kind of screwed) and some even arent allowing men in theyre groups or dont allow them on certian meetings?
Modifié par Eleinehmm, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:31 .
Lyssistr wrote...
I'd be happy to accept that if you can back it up with statistics, else it's just your perception of what "society" thinks and is not necessarily correct. I can think of quite a few games that sport a female protagonist.Hawksblud wrote...
That our society does not think of a woman with equal possibility as a man for a cool hero character.
Modifié par iTomes, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:36 .
II Relics II wrote...
So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??
Are you serious?
. However, as long as it suits my agenda of 
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