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[Rogue Unit]

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

I think its more the fact that Bioware hides the female counterparts ( Like Femshep) until close to release.

Who knows? DA2 might be different. Bioware never said "You arent going to see FemHawke at all until release so shut up."

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:33 .

[II Relics II]

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

[Saibh]

soteria wrote...

And this is why I say there's an underlying sexist current against women in your argument. I never said anything about "more iconic males representing classes." I never mentioned gender at all, beyond "if Bioware uses a spear-wielding male warrior and a sword and board female warrior as game icons..." I'm not making that parallel (I said "people"), but you just did, I suppose. Neither the EA press release nor the DA2 homepage explicitly mentioned that you can play a male character, either, by the way--gender never came up. Why is the male dominance assumed? How do you expect to change society's perceptions and the way games are marketed if your own perceptions haven't changed?
And no, I don't buy that "Hawke" is a guy's name, any more than Smith, Torres, or Verner is a guy's name.

Alright, I apologize for putting words into your mouth--you didn't actually say you'd rather see a male archer or anything, but what you did was to compare there being a lack of iconic archers with there not being a femHawke. I already made my point on why it's so completely different. " Why shouldn't Bioware also market an iconic mage, archer, rogue, etc?"

That's a pretty demeaning question, for reasons already stated. 

"Why is the male dominance assumed?"

Dude, the developers openly acknowledge male dominance. Word to the wise, if you want your arguments to seem more reasonable, don't start by denying the problem.

And...

http://www.behindthe...com/name/verner

It is actually a male name. If you were to name your daughter "Hawke", people would look at you funny...well, funnier than naming your son "Hawke", that is. "Amell" isn't a name that sounds masculine or feminine--but any "cool" sounding name tends to range on masculinity. I wouldn't change Hawke's name, don't get me wrong, and I don't see anything bad with it--but I'd just like you to see the other points.

[Arttis]

Show me sexy women or show me the door!

WHO'S WITH ME!

[Eleinehmm]

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

And you say that it's because of what - scantily clad Morrigan?  - I have always thought it's because of the story, rich characterization and good voice acting

[Kolos2]

Hawksblud wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...
Well might be that the two genders dont function or think the same way? i freely admit i cant reflect to a female lead; identify myself with it; nothing against equality but we aint the same

However, just because we aren't the same does not imply that we are not equal, no? It is equally [insert any adjective here] to be female as male. To be one or the other is not to be inferior, even if each comes with different pluses and minuses. Think of-- oh, think of traditional roleplay classes, mages versus warriors for example. Or we could do dwarves versus elves. Each one comes with it's own benefits... and it's own weaknesses. But neither is intrinsically 'better'. Thus if roleplay games were always marketed towards players who chose mages, and ignored the warriors, that would just be silly, no?  

Agreed, nor did i ever state that women are inferior as a gender, but in the end it comes down to numbers; the ole Marlboro Man sells , as seen in several key franchises out there; 

[Arttis]

DoA Dead or Alive

[II Relics II]

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

And you say that it's because of what - scantily clad Morrigan?  - I have always thought it's because of the story, rich characterization and good voice acting

Erm, I'm talking about the Dead or Alive video game series??

and I agree with your reasons why DAO was so popular

[Clover Rider]

You know just to shut you all up about men and women and sex BE A MAN.

[Saibh]

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

Bastila Shan, Ashley Williams, and Miranda Lawson are all presented tastefully on their covers, and, I would say, so is Morrigan--she's no Bayonetta.

But just so you know, to quote TeenZombie...



Some of us mention box art because men are so keen to throw that in there, and yeah, it'd be cool see femHawke box art, but most of would be absolutely fine with some screen shots, some concept art, a trailer, what-have-you.

It is very early in the marketing stages to say that we won't see femHawke at all, but we all fear seeing the same thing that happened to femShep, in which BioWare kept her in the attic.

EDIT: I did assume you misspelled "DAO"--sorry! But, my point still stands.

Modifié par Saibh, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:39 .

[joriandrake]

Hawksblud wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...
That our society does not think of a woman with equal possibility as a man for a cool hero character.

I'd be happy to accept that if you can back it up with statistics, else it's just your perception of what "society" thinks and is not necessarily correct. I can think of quite a few games that sport a female protagonist.

I would like that list, please. Western games with female protagonists? For my own playing, if nothing else. Because last I checked, for every one game with a heroine there are a few dozen with a hero.

Also, here is a statistic that relates to movies, on this issue.
http://www.racebendi...mountgender.jpg

Aveyond series (most of the time)
Septerra Core
The Longest Journey series
Keepsake
Still Life series
Venetica
Syberia series
Tomb Raider series



just to name a few in a minute

[Eleinehmm]

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

And you say that it's because of what - scantily clad Morrigan?  - I have always thought it's because of the story, rich characterization and good voice acting

Erm, I'm talking about the Dead or Alive video game series??

and I agree with your reasons why DAO was so popular

Sorry - I was not familiar with the abbreviation.
As for Dead or Alive, I am not familiar with the topic – But I suppose they have a different target audience than your average Bioware RPG.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 22 juillet 2010 - 05:45 .

[Arttis]

Women Are Not Paying The Majority Of The Bill To pay off the Funds that was spent to Make The Game.So Deal With it.

[iTomes]

id kinda like a femhawke trailer, mainly because i wanna hear the voice

[Lyssistr]

Hawksblud wrote...


I would like that list, please. Western games with female protagonists? For my own playing, if nothing else. Because last I checked, for every one game with a heroine there are a few dozen with a hero.

Also, here is a statistic that relates to movies, on this issue.
http://www.racebendi...mountgender.jpg

Ok, not a complete one, rather a short on that comes on top of my head quickly, but for starters: Bayonetta, Syberia, Still Life, Dreamfall, Venetica,The Longest Journey, Tomb Raider games. 

Note that these are games with a female protagonist, not games that you can also play as female, or are advertised as both male/female. I didn't even include games advertised with a female champion yet you can play both genres.

The movies figures are paramount-only, still there is indeed a gap, yet only 1 film company.

[Rogue Unit]

Arttis wrote...

Women Are Not Paying The Majority Of The Bill To pay off the Funds that was spent to Make The Game.So Deal With it.

Thats gonna catch ya' some heat.

[II Relics II]

Saibh wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

Bastila Shan, Ashley Williams, and Miranda Lawson are all presented tastefully on their covers, and, I would say, so is Morrigan--she's no Bayonetta.

But just so you know, to quote TeenZombie...



Some of us mention box art because men are so keen to throw that in there, and yeah, it'd be cool see femHawke box art, but most of would be absolutely fine with some screen shots, some concept art, a trailer, what-have-you.

It is very early in the marketing stages to say that we won't see femHawke at all, but we all fear seeing the same thing that happened to femShep, in which BioWare kept her in the attic.

EDIT: I did assume you misspelled "DAO"--sorry! But, my point still stands.

So, your point is that you feel like Hawke should be advertised as a Female instead of a Male, correct?

[Saibh]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Women Are Not Paying The Majority Of The Bill To pay off the Funds that was spent to Make The Game.So Deal With it.

Thats gonna catch ya' some heat.

I ignored it because it seemed like it was the title of some weird underground book.

[Eleinehmm]

joriandrake wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...
That our society does not think of a woman with equal possibility as a man for a cool hero character.

I'd be happy to accept that if you can back it up with statistics, else it's just your perception of what "society" thinks and is not necessarily correct. I can think of quite a few games that sport a female protagonist.

I would like that list, please. Western games with female protagonists? For my own playing, if nothing else. Because last I checked, for every one game with a heroine there are a few dozen with a hero.

Also, here is a statistic that relates to movies, on this issue.
http://www.racebendi...mountgender.jpg

Aveyond series (most of the time)
Septerra Core
The Longest Journey series
Keepsake
Still Life series
Venetica
Syberia series
Tomb Raider series



just to name a few in a minute

Oh please - Tomb Raider... Really... <_<

[C9316]

Lyssistr wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

I'm afraid they are . However, as long as it suits my agenda of world domination sporting Megan Fawkes on DA2's front cover, I'm with em.

Check out that armor +999 stats!

[Saibh]

II Relics II wrote...

Saibh wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

Strike the beautiful scantily clad part, please...

Well, in an industry where the Male Demographic vastly outnumbers the Female Demographic, what do you expect from the Marketing team??

I'm just saying, have you ever wondered why DoA is so popular??

Bastila Shan, Ashley Williams, and Miranda Lawson are all presented tastefully on their covers, and, I would say, so is Morrigan--she's no Bayonetta.

But just so you know, to quote TeenZombie...



Some of us mention box art because men are so keen to throw that in there, and yeah, it'd be cool see femHawke box art, but most of would be absolutely fine with some screen shots, some concept art, a trailer, what-have-you.

It is very early in the marketing stages to say that we won't see femHawke at all, but we all fear seeing the same thing that happened to femShep, in which BioWare kept her in the attic.

EDIT: I did assume you misspelled "DAO"--sorry! But, my point still stands.

So, your point is that you feel like Hawke should be advertised as a Female instead of a Male, correct?

I'm hoping that's irony.

I'm hoping, oh please, that's irony.

[Eleinehmm]

Saibh wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Women Are Not Paying The Majority Of The Bill To pay off the Funds that was spent to Make The Game.So Deal With it.

Thats gonna catch ya' some heat.

I ignored it because it seemed like it was the title of some weird underground book.

Yep - All those caps reeeeeealy help to prove the point

[Arttis]

Saibh wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Women Are Not Paying The Majority Of The Bill To pay off the Funds that was spent to Make The Game.So Deal With it.

Thats gonna catch ya' some heat.

I ignored it because it seemed like it was the title of some weird underground book.

You women care way too much about presentation.If they made the Male hawke looks gay and love flowers I would be a bit bothered but I would MOVE ON.

[Lyssistr]

C9316 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

So women are mad that Bioware isn't using some beautiful scantily clad female Hawke to get people interested in their game??

Are you serious?

I'm afraid they are . However, as long as it suits my agenda of world domination sporting Megan Fawkes on DA2's front cover, I'm with em.

Check out that armor +999 stats!

Man you made my day . Put Megan on the front cover, else it's a boycott 

[Clover Rider]

Eleinehmm wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...
That our society does not think of a woman with equal possibility as a man for a cool hero character.

I'd be happy to accept that if you can back it up with statistics, else it's just your perception of what "society" thinks and is not necessarily correct. I can think of quite a few games that sport a female protagonist.

I would like that list, please. Western games with female protagonists? For my own playing, if nothing else. Because last I checked, for every one game with a heroine there are a few dozen with a hero.

Also, here is a statistic that relates to movies, on this issue.
http://www.racebendi...mountgender.jpg

Aveyond series (most of the time)
Septerra Core
The Longest Journey series
Keepsake
Still Life series
Venetica
Syberia series
Tomb Raider series



just to name a few in a minute

Oh please - Tomb Raider... Really... <_<

Don't be hard on it cuz of Lara just hate the gameplay .