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[Zal Air]

The 5 fade demons types in DA:O match 5 of the 7 deadly sins.

Rage=Wrath
Hunger=Gluttony
Sloth=Sloth
Desire=Lust
Pride=Pride

The final 2 sins missing are Envy and Greed.  In the Mage Origin of DA:O the pride demon mentions the worst thing that people have of the fade is the misconception.  People might think that the pride demon is the strongest, which would be a big misconception if Envy and Greed turn out to be stronger.

[fchopin]

The last two sins are for the warden and hawke.

[troyk890]

I'd like too see something stronger than a pride demon.



We still haven't actually even seen a Hunger demon, so I'm hoping for that at least.

[Bobad]

I ask you to behold the meddling nature of the Apathy Demon!.

[Vyndrel]

Is there any evidence that there are envy and greed demons?

Also, couldn't greed and envy be covered by desire demons?

[andar91]

The devs have stated (I don't know where and it was a long time ago before the new forums) that they didn't set out to base the demons off of the seven deadly sins. Gilligan's Island, however, is incredibly sinful.

Skipper-Anger and gluttony
Ginger-Lust
Mary Anne-Envy
Professor-Pride
Millionaire-Greed
Wife-Sloth

Since Gilligan always screws things up for them, he's Satan.

Sorry, I just had to share that. ;p

Modifié par andar91, 22 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .

[hxx7y]

no john you are the demon's

[Zal Air]

andar91 wrote...

The devs have stated (I don't know where and it was a long time ago before the new forums) that they didn't set out to base the demons off of the seven deadly sins. Gilligan's Island, however, is incredibly sinful.

Skipper-Anger and gluttony
Ginger-Lust
Mary Anne-Envy
Professor-Pride
Millionaire-Greed
Wife-Sloth

Since Gilligan always screws things up for them, he's Satan.

Sorry, I just had to share that. ;p

If the devs never intended the demons to match the sins that is a big coincidence, a lttle to big for me to except.

I will never look at that TV show the same way again.

[Kaiser Shepard]

hxx7y wrote...

no john you are the demon's

And then Hawke was a darkspawn?

Seriously though, if we get a second expansion for Origins, a Greed Demon should be the former Warden's personal demon. Which would be fitting, especially if he or she survived through the Dark Ritual, as the Warden in question basically potentially doomed the world for the mere price of his/her life.

[Gill Kaiser]

Zal Air wrote...

The 5 fade demons types in DA:O match 5 of the 7 deadly sins.

Rage=Wrath
Hunger=Gluttony
Sloth=Sloth
Desire=Lust
Pride=Pride

The final 2 sins missing are Envy and Greed.  In the Mage Origin of DA:O the pride demon mentions the worst thing that people have of the fade is the misconception.  People might think that the pride demon is the strongest, which would be a big misconception if Envy and Greed turn out to be stronger.

I think the Desire Demon symbolises Greed as well as Lust, and Hunger Demons are both Gluttony and Envy.

[NvVanity]

I don't think we even saw Hunger or Sloth demons. Well there was a sloth demon but it was a shapeshifter so we never saw its true form.

[andar91]

Zal Air wrote...

andar91 wrote...

The devs have stated (I don't know where and it was a long time ago before the new forums) that they didn't set out to base the demons off of the seven deadly sins. Gilligan's Island, however, is incredibly sinful.

Skipper-Anger and gluttony
Ginger-Lust
Mary Anne-Envy
Professor-Pride
Millionaire-Greed
Wife-Sloth

Since Gilligan always screws things up for them, he's Satan.

Sorry, I just had to share that. ;p

If the devs never intended the demons to match the sins that is a big coincidence, a lttle to big for me to except.

I will never look at that TV show the same way again.

It does seem like a big coincidence, but I'm still pretty sure they said it at some point. Desire Demons, for example, don't just symbolize lust.  They encompass anything someone desires (such as power, wealth, or love).  But yeah, they kind off match anyway since they encomopass the bad traits of life and the sins are those. I  just don't think it was intentional.

[2papercuts]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

hxx7y wrote...

no john you are the demon's

And then Hawke was a darkspawn?

Seriously though, if we get a second expansion for Origins, a Greed Demon should be the former Warden's personal demon. Which would be fitting, especially if he or she survived through the Dark Ritual, as the Warden in question basically potentially doomed the world for the mere price of his/her life.

not always, a warden could do the DR for reasons outside of saving his/her life

[BelSirk]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Zal Air wrote...

The 5 fade demons types in DA:O match 5 of the 7 deadly sins.

Rage=Wrath
Hunger=Gluttony
Sloth=Sloth
Desire=Lust
Pride=Pride

The final 2 sins missing are Envy and Greed.  In the Mage Origin of DA:O the pride demon mentions the worst thing that people have of the fade is the misconception.  People might think that the pride demon is the strongest, which would be a big misconception if Envy and Greed turn out to be stronger.

I think the Desire Demon symbolises Greed as well as Lust, and Hunger Demons are both Gluttony and Envy.

Ouch, Gil Kaiser win me posting that,  can't remember if it's on the codex or  ohter place but yes, the desire demon use anything for get what they want, that include Envy and greed (as lujury, love,jealous, etc... ) 

2papercuts wrote...
I don't think we even saw Hunger or Sloth demons. Well there was a sloth
demon but it was a shapeshifter so we never saw its true form.

There is a extra sloth demon if you play as mage

[2papercuts]

BelSirk wrote...

2papercuts wrote...
I don't think we even saw Hunger or Sloth demons. Well there was a sloth
demon but it was a shapeshifter so we never saw its true form.

There is a extra sloth demon if you play as mage

 when did i write that BelSirk

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Can somebody refresh my memory, I remember the sloth, desire and rage demons but what were the hunger and pride demons?



I think Hunger was just a corpse (cannot remember) however I cant remember what pride was.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Can somebody refresh my memory, I remember the sloth, desire and rage demons but what were the hunger and pride demons?

I think Hunger was just a corpse (cannot remember) however I cant remember what pride was.

Remeber Uldred that guy that turns into that big demon thing in the broken circle quest? That big demon thing was pride.

[Vyndrel]

Solostran85 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Can somebody refresh my memory, I remember the sloth, desire and rage demons but what were the hunger and pride demons?

I think Hunger was just a corpse (cannot remember) however I cant remember what pride was.

Remeber Uldred that guy that turns into that big demon thing in the broken circle quest? That big demon thing was pride.

Are you sure about that? Outside the fade, demons have no discernable shapes and while in the fade their form is
a projection of their feelings, emotions, thoughts, or whatever.

[Saibh]

Vyndrel wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Can somebody refresh my memory, I remember the sloth, desire and rage demons but what were the hunger and pride demons?

I think Hunger was just a corpse (cannot remember) however I cant remember what pride was.

Remeber Uldred that guy that turns into that big demon thing in the broken circle quest? That big demon thing was pride.

Are you sure about that? Outside the fade, demons have no discernable shapes and while in the fade their form is
a projection of their feelings, emotions, thoughts, or whatever.

Yes. He's a pride demon. Besides looking like one, you get the Codex for one after killing him...right? I'll also mention that in the quest "Asunder", you assemble the remaining parts of a pride demon.

And then when Mouse turns into a demon that is large and spiky and purple, he says the biggest dangers of the fade are "preconceptions, careless trust...pride"--and he's referring to himself being the most powerful class while saying for you to beware you know everything.

I don't think we ever see the true form of a hunger demon, besides corpses. I think.

There seems to be an "accepted" true form, at least.

[Gill Kaiser]

No, weak demons have no discernable shapes. Uldred was possessed by a Pride demon, which displayed its true form in the boss battle.

[In Exile]

Uldred was possed by a pride demon. That apperance was what you got as a pride abomination, but we never saw what a pride demon would look like inside the fade. We saw several versions of a sloth demon, as well - the blighted bear, the arcane horror model, etc. The only defined apperance of demons, I think, is the rage demon (fire thing) and the pride demon (seductress).

But fade spirits don't need that form either, technically. Which is why in the mage origin the pride demon you meet was the mouse.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Vyndrel wrote...
Are you sure about that? Outside the fade, demons have no discernable shapes and while in the fade their form is
a projection of their feelings, emotions, thoughts, or whatever.

Are you forgetting desire demons?

[Saibh]

In Exile wrote...

Uldred was possed by a pride demon. That apperance was what you got as a pride abomination, but we never saw what a pride demon would look like inside the fade. We saw several versions of a sloth demon, as well - the blighted bear, the arcane horror model, etc. The only defined apperance of demons, I think, is the rage demon (fire thing) and the pride demon (seductress).
But fade spirits don't need that form either, technically. Which is why in the mage origin the pride demon you meet was the mouse.

But you do see him transform, and what you see of him is clearly a pride demon. Besides, the Asunder quest didn't seem to be an abomination.

[Hawksblud]

OT: Honestly, I'd like to see the sort of moral ambiguity we saw in the Mage origin. A sloth demon with something to teach, if you trick him into it. We saw several demons who tried to trick you, or who were willing to make deals to save themselves. But the sloth bear gave you something for nothing, and that was kind of cool in its own way. The Fade sequence in the return to the Circle was, IMO, kind of badly handled. (Not only because it magically worked on dwarves, which was something of a plot wtf.) But I would like to see some short Fade sequences with the protagonist not knowing whom to trust... where the demon could be helpful, if handled correctly.

To respond to the original question: I believe that Envy and Greed may have been lumped into Desire and Hunger.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Solostran85 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Can somebody refresh my memory, I remember the sloth, desire and rage demons but what were the hunger and pride demons?

I think Hunger was just a corpse (cannot remember) however I cant remember what pride was.

Remeber Uldred that guy that turns into that big demon thing in the broken circle quest? That big demon thing was pride.

Ah ok thanks.

However I did see someone mention Mouse however does anyone think we will ever see him again? Also what is the go with Master Wade and his demonic buddy Herren? Do you think we will see them again? I know it is a bit off topic but while we are on the subject I thought I might ask.