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[SirOccam]

I originally posted this on the "High Res Screenshots" thread, but it's sort of off-topic from the main discussion going on there, so I thought it could use its own thread.

It occured to me after looking at all the high-res screenshots that the "dialogue" shot originally seen in the GameInformer article most likely takes place at the same place and time as the darkspawn battle and the Flemeth meeting. The setting appears to be the same in all of them: a reddish, barren ground surrounded by hills. Not only does it make sense that most of the screenshots would be from the same scene they were shown, but you can also see hills behind Hawke and Bethany. And if you compare the relative positions of Hawke and Bethany in the dialogue shot to those in, say, the one where Flemeth is walking toward them, they appear to be about the same. Finally, in the dialogue shot, Hawke is covered in blood, suggesting that a battle just took place.

Here are a few in what I assume is chronological order:





Bearing this in mind, if we know the dialogue is part of the Flemeth encounter, then maybe we can glean a few clues from the image.

1. "I'm right beside you."
2. "Neither can they."
3. "Then we fight."

So, who is he talking to? My guess is Bethany, based mostly on #1. I can't foresee Flemeth being so agreeable that being that enthusiastic about joining her is something that would even be possible, especially considering the entrance she makes. Plus, also, he *is* right beside her, literally.

If this is the case, does the bottom option indicate he wants to fight Flemeth? I highly doubt she'd actually be attackable, much less defeatable, at this stage, but that doesn't mean he can't have the intent to attack.

That leaves "neither can they." This one's a bit of a puzzle, because presumably the darkspawn they just fought are already dead (judging from the blood and what we know about the encounter, and the fact that they're chatting and not fighting), in which case "neither could they" would seem more appropriate if he were referring to them. Otherwise, maybe he could be referring to darkspawn in general? Either way, I bet Bethany's line immediately preceding this choice ends with "We can't _________."

Anyway, I know this is much ado about nothing, but hey, we gotta entertain ourselves for 7 months somehow. So, any thoughts?

Modifié par SirOccam, 22 juillet 2010 - 01:10 .

[hxx7y]

i put on my robe and wizard hat...

[JasonPogo]

You have put way to much thought into a few random screenshots.

[andar91]

You are dedicated lol. You could be right; who knows?

[Brockololly]

I'm thinking that dialogue is probably at the beginning maybe when the darkspawn first appear and are about to attack an Hawke is talking to Bethany.

Or it could be like you said- in that case, I'd guess he is talking to Flemeth. But not threatening to fight her but probably discussing the darkspawn and how to escape- "I'm right beside you" meaning he'll follow FLemeth to escape. "Neither can they" referring to the darkspawn (or "Chalkyspawn" as they are no longer dark...) and "Then we fight" meaning Hawke is willing to duke it out with the darkspawn horde? Just some ideas...

[iTomes]

well nice theory... but i think the screen is taking during the dialoge, so i dont think we must understand these options...^^

[NugWrangler]

I'm going to guess that this is when you and Bethanny are fighting your way out of Lothering. Flemeth probably drops by to tell you something vague yet important to the plot and warns you of some kind of impending boss battle before you can get to safety. I think Bethanny probably has some concerns about pressing forward that you are responding to. But for all we know this whole sequence could be cut between now and March, it's fun to guess though

[Sable Rhapsody]

The question I'm also interested in is when this is happening? There are darkspawn, so not TOO long after Origins and Awakening or too far from Ferelden. It couldn't possibly be during their escape from Lothering either since Flemeth is...well...not senile old Flemeth. Unless she has multiple human forms or something.



I agree completely, OP, with your analysis of the dialogue options. Now what exactly can't they do? Escape? Leave? Take down the giant scary dragon lady of scary?

[Malanek]

Has it been confirmed (or even hinted at) how this is relative to the time in origins? Is this before or after Flemeth was "killed" or from an import where she wasn't killed.

[Malanek]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
It couldn't possibly be during their escape from Lothering either since Flemeth is...well...not senile old Flemeth. Unless she has multiple human forms or something.

If she can come back from the dead and change into a dragon, it's not a stretch to believe she could make herself appear differently depending on what she was after. But I have the same question.

[Heimdall]

My guess is that she confronts the Hawke siblings while they're leaving Lothering where she prepares the seeds of a game long Xanatos Gambit.



I actually hope Flemeth ends up being some kind of unifying thread for all the Dragon Age games; meaning, she plays all the protagonists for suckers.

[Heimdall]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

The question I'm also interested in is when this is happening? There are darkspawn, so not TOO long after Origins and Awakening or too far from Ferelden. It couldn't possibly be during their escape from Lothering either since Flemeth is...well...not senile old Flemeth. Unless she has multiple human forms or something.

Well the begining of DA2 is actually during the events of Origins so I think it happens right after or during Lothering's destruction.  Before the Warden can possibly get a chance to kill Flemeth

[Xoxman1]

My personal theory? Flemeth, from her position up in the air, has informed them of a horde of darkspawn in the area. Bethany says they can't escape. The three responses all at least make sense in that context.

[LadyVaJedi]

Are we 100% sure it's Flemeth? I don't recall Bioware saying it is her at all. It was Game informer that stated it was her.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think the dialogue comes first. They see a horde of darkspawn, fight them for a while (maybe as a tutorial?), then eventually a huge bunch of reinforcements turn up and Hawke and Bethany ponder whether to attempt to fight them, then Flemeth swoops in and takes out the darkspawn for them.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 22 juillet 2010 - 02:00 .

[UberDuber]

Flemeth looks very slimming ....

[Gill Kaiser]

She looks about 50 now. I'm still sticking with the theory that Flemeth can alter her appearance at will, and chooses to appear as a crone to seem less dangerous to the Warden. This form seems to be her fightin' form.

[Saibh]

I agree that it appears as if the dialogue came first--I thought maybe people are being attacked by darkspawn, hence the "they" in the "neither can they."

Gill Kaiser wrote...

She looks about 50 now. I'm still sticking with the theory that Flemeth can alter her appearance at will, and chooses to appear as a crone to seem less dangerous to the Warden. This form seems to be her fightin' form.

Well, she has horns, so perhaps she isn't even shapeshifting into another human--which doesn't break the rule Morrigan presented.

[LadyVaJedi]

So are you saying that this is the "demon" Flemeth.

[Saibh]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

So are you saying that this is the "demon" Flemeth.

Me? I'm saying that she doesn't appear to be entirely human--she still has her dragon horns, and her headband/tiara thing looks like the...crest...on her dragon form, too.

[UberDuber]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

So are you saying that this is the "demon" Flemeth.

Come to think of it ... she does look like a demon, the demons in DAO had horns and looked hot! and purple like Barney.

[SirOccam]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I think the dialogue comes first. They see a horde of darkspawn, fight them for a while (maybe as a tutorial?), then eventually a huge bunch of reinforcements turn up and Hawke and Bethany ponder whether to attempt to fight them, then Flemeth swoops in and takes out the darkspawn for them.

Ah, good point. The reason I didn't think the dialogue happens first is that he's already covered in blood, and also because in the shots with Flemeth, there don't appear to be any darkspawn left alive, but plenty of bodies. But that could be explained if they fought a smaller group first or had to fight their way out of Lothering and this takes place shortly thereafter. Or as Xoxman1 says, maybe she's warning them about a large group further off.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

It couldn't possibly be during
their escape from Lothering either since Flemeth is...well...not senile
old Flemeth. Unless she has multiple human forms or something.

I think that's very possible. Didn't Morrigan talk about how Flemeth lured men to her? It would be difficult to do that as the old lady our Wardens met or as a dragon.

[LadyVaJedi]

I can't stand Barney!  Now she must die again. 

Modifié par LadyVaJedi, 22 juillet 2010 - 02:27 .

[lv12medic]

Maybe Flemeth is stuck in like a paper jam between her human form and her dragon form. Who says magic has to work perfectly every single time?

[LadyHawk825]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

She looks about 50 now. I'm still sticking with the theory that Flemeth can alter her appearance at will, and chooses to appear as a crone to seem less dangerous to the Warden. This form seems to be her fightin' form.

wow haha I'm sorry, but that just made me think of that pokemon called Deoxys or something like that. That picture is very interesting though. Maybe its because of the demon inside her that she can change her appearance more easily like that. She looks waaaay younger though haha, like 50.