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[close2myheart]

I want to talk to Grunt a bit more being with him makes my femShep feels like she just adopted a Krogan son  
I'd love to see banters & friendly platonic interaction between crews, crews & squaddies, Shepard & squaddies.

[PrinceLionheart]

In ME2, I'd say my (Man)Shep's closest female friend would be Samara. More than any of the other characters, I have a level of respect for her because of how much she sacrificed to be a Justicaar. Sort of like with Wrex in his path, my Shep really admires her for all things she's seen and done in the past.

Tali is like my kid sister.

Jacob and Garrus are my bros.

[Ryzaki]

/bump for great justice



Yes ME2 needed some s/s friendships bad.



I got like three convos with Garrus before he cute of my Dude Shep because "calibrations" jack just told me to ****** off and everyone else was busy. The only one who gave me decent convos was Thane.



And...Legion but I got him so late in the game. D:

[dgumb]

My favorites are:

Zaeed- He's such an unadulterated, unrepentant bad-ass, how can you not love the guy?

Jacob- Coolest dude on the ship (well, second coolest). I feel like Jacob is exactly like people I'm actually friends with, he even talks like people I know. Wish he had more to say, but I'd love to get loud and spill drinks with him.

Legion- I always like synthetic/robot companions when available (yo HK47!!!). Plus, I actually find Legion to be the most thoughtful/philosophical character in the game.

Mordin- Love the voice acting, and the character. Best dialog tree of the squadmates, and I love the cloaca references in the his SB dossier. Always feel bad on his loyalty mission though, you either have to end conversations quickly or you wind up berating him for the genophage (even though I agree with him about it).

Honorable mention:

Samara- She's a bad-ass, plus she's hurting for some friends. I like her dialog tree as well.

[GuardianAngel470]

Samara is my best female friend, and Garrus, of course, is my best guy friend.



Besides that, Thane, Jack, Jacob, MORDIN, Legion, and Joker would be my friends.

[schneeland]

Well, what I can say - I most definitely agree. One of the reasons is that the number of characters in the game, I would want to date gets down to Liara and Tali. But then, maybe the foremost reason is that I am supposed to be a military commander on a on-the-verge-of-destruction mission. While I and thus most of my role playing characters favour a friendly and respectful atmosphere, I do not think that romantic relationships inside such a team are an overly good idea (that's one of the reasons, why I actually see Liara's endavour as an information broker as a good opportunity for a deeper and more serious relationship in future ME releases).



Also, strong "just friends"-relationships would offer interesting possibilities with older and wiser characters like Samara (I really do like that character, yet in a totally platonic way). Given the (really atmospheric) situation where Shepard sits down on the floor with Samara, I can imagine coming to her for counsel. Even if I do not share her only-black-and-white attitude, she is still about a thousand years old, having seen more things than all other crew members together.



And of course, it would be extremely nice, to fetch another bottle of Whiskey and play Skyllian poker with Garrus, Tali, Joker and Dr. Chakwas, musing about the "good old times".



There is just so much room for comradeship and friendly banter, especially if we consider that Dragon Age had good examples that also just-friends-relationships can be quite interesting.

[Ryzaki]

Ah yes. I forgot about the Samara/Shepard friendship.



Her telling my Paragon Shep that whenever he needed her she'd be willing to help him was just....I squee'd.

[schneeland]

Yeah, forgot about Katsumi. Although I did not feel too involved with her, I would love to chat with her about fine arts and new ways to decorate my cabin (e.g. do away with the silly fishes that die all the time ).

[close2myheart]

Ooohhh, Samara ^^v I love her character too! (maybe because I'm a paragon ') I always count her as my femShep's 'bodyguard' and I totally agree on Joker's description of her, it cracks me up every time he says it.

Since she trust me well enough on the Morinth issue, I wish I could share some of my Shep's personal matters with her or just gossiping around. I'd rather talk about things with her than with Kelly >_< (just a preference. Uh, sorry there Kelly fans... >_<')

[dirae]

I heart Garrus to death. I have at least one playthrough where I specifically planned my Shep to woo Garrus.

I love his character. I feel for what he went through. I go gaga for the voice, and the voiceacting. But when the big defining moment comes, I never go for it for some reason.

And I love Garrus/Shep fanart and fanfic. I guess I like the ship better in fan-maker's hands than I do in canon?

Jacob too. I keep trying but always end up playing the friend card. Its funny, even if you try to romance Jacob, he tries his damndest to talk you out of it,  "I like to keep things light" "Tried to warn you" stuff. Fine, stay single, then!

He's more fun as a friend. Go for drinks at the Citadel, things will get loud.

And Samara. I always kinda choke up if you become her friend, she says "After the mission is over if you're in need call for me anytime. I will come for you"
*sniff* Dusty in here.

Modifié par dirae, 02 novembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[achwas]

Best female friend : Kasumi, both for my femShep and manSheps. Only woman aboard that was not either a slightly stuck-up extremist or a blushing and stammering fan-girl. Excepting Chakwas and Gabbi^^. Plus Kasumi has taste, some wisdom, an interesting profession and the ship's bar is located in her quarters.

Best male friend : usually Garrus, although one femShep romanced him (after Horizon all bets were off ), but I wish there had been more time to chat with Mordin, or some more Gillbert and Sullivan.

Best... other : Legion with all his 1000+ personalities and his utterly different view on the universe Legion is just too much fun. Probably the best thing ever done by the Geth with regard to public relations.

Modifié par achwas, 02 novembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Siansonea II wrote...

So many of the character support threads are filled with icky cyber-lust, I thought it would be a nice change of pace to have a thread dedicated to characters that you admire in a totally non-sexual way. This is not the place to pine over so-and-so not being available as an LI, but to celebrate your ME pals and appreciate them. The thread is intended for all character's fans, where we can all mingle and discuss our ME buddies without worrying about the romance stuff getting in the way.

yeah, platonic.

[aeetos21]

Honestly? The best platonic love I've seen so far in ME2 is Liara. I haven't had my Shepard who romanced her in ME1 do the SBL yet but as far as my other Sheps go? Its great just to get a chance to see Shepard vulnerable for once, make he/she seem more real when she visits you on the Normandy. From the part about his DOB tags to how he's "really" doing and not the canned BS Shepard tells his squad and crew.

The only other time is if you do a romance in ME1 and see them comfort you after the Normandy is taken and even moreso the night before Ilos. This also carries a bit into ME2 regarding how you let Shepard react to them on Horizon and the fallout afterwards as well as if they stay true to the romance on the night before the Omega 4 relay. But again that's more on the romance side of the playing field.

Other platonics that sick out was the kid sister relationship that I prefer with Tali over the romance but again that's really only her being vulnerable. Same goes with Jack and Miranda, it isn't taken nearly as far with Tali's friendship and her bit about her father but you do see some vulnerability with them but unless you take it to the next level that's pretty much it.

But with no ME4 hopefully BW's promise to go nuts with the possible endings and storylines will allow us some real "distance" with both squad relationships and friendships. I mean c'mon, it'd be like Christmas or Hunnakah or what have you if we got like 2 or even 3 missions per squadmate after their recruitment. Or have the ability to "harden" them if we want like how you could with Alistair and Leliana in DAO.

Edit: Garrus also gets kinda deep with Sidonis and the reminiscience but you don't see Shepard really confiding anything major in his friend. And after a while the whole "calibrations" really begins to irk me.

Modifié par aeetos21, 03 novembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[achwas]

aeetos21 wrote...
Edit: Garrus also gets kinda deep with Sidonis and the reminiscience but you don't see Shepard really confiding anything major in his friend. And after a while the whole "calibrations" really begins to irk me.

Actually, speaking as a male specimen of the human species I find "the less said" comradely friendships among men nothing unusual, though I have at time difficulty to explain it to female friends and even the "significant other". It's not the actual confiding which defines or underlines the friendship, it's the possibility that you could if you had the notion to. Which includes the privilege not to. Or at some other point in time.
Anyway Garrus seems very much aware of the doubts and tension in Shepard regarding possible success of the SM.

But the scene in LotSB, with Shepard confiding in Liara made the silent "buddy bond" with Garrus somehow odd, as Shep lowers shields to someone else. Unless of course Liara is the actual LI.....

[Stick668]

For shipboard talks, Mordin took the cake. Even when he lacked new convo options, he'd decline to talk in various awesome ways. ("Testing new bio-weapon. Not on us, of course." / "Trying to determine how scale-itch got onto the Normandy. Implications unpleasant.") Then there was advice on "creative use of mass-effect fields", Gilbert & Sullivan and the best distinction between guilt and responsibility I've seen a game-character make.

Chatting with Jack was always interesting. (They did some cool cinematography stuff with her feral movement and using the space.)

Kasumi's heist was fun, too. I generally liked her dry-but-chummy attitude to Shepard. "I set you up with an alias, connections, article in Badass Weekly..." She seemed to be the only one who acknowledged life on board, which was a nice touch. (I would've liked to see more crew interactions. The ones that showed up were nifty, but few and far between. "Take pictures!")

Bantering with Garrus during Archangel recruitment and the loyalty mission? Oh yes. ("Hell, Garrus, you were always ugly..." / "Some women find facial scars attractive. Mind you, most of those women are Krogan.")

My favourite Action Pals banter is with Liara during the hold-while-hacking-door fight. I wish they'd do more of that sort of thing, really. (As in, combat dialogue that goes beyond single barks.) "They're not very effective, coming at us in small groups." / "You HAD to give the mercs tactical advice!" Mass Effect channeling Farscape and Firefly.

Honourable mention: Kal'Reegar. No-nonsense, ultra-cool and obviously *pretending* to a meathead. (As in, insisting he "just shoots things" when he's clearly sharper than the admiralty board.) One of those people you make friends with in a few seconds, even if it takes years before you see them again. His return should be interesting. I certainly hope.

Modifié par Stick668, 11 novembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[sagefic]

Dave of Canada wrote...

My problem with the Mass Effect system:
[Regular conversation]
[Regular conversation]
[Regular conversation]
[Loyalty mission]
[Romance dialogue: Yes or No?]
[Yes: Flirting and then sex cutscene]
[No: I don't want to talk with you anymore]
[Same gender: I don't want to talk with you anymore]

this.

Just to clarify:

i don't think there's anything wrong with the serious adoration that some of the LIs get. You may think it's creepy (heck, so do I sometimes and I'm a total fangirl), but to each their own fandom.

However, that ^ right there is very true. If this is an RP game (which I do believe it still is at some level) it is very frustrating that so much of the dialog got stripped away. ME1 had the ninja-romance minefield that no one liked, which they replaced in ME2 by taking away a lot of the dialog and making it an "on/off" switch for romance. 

While I prefer ME to DA in just about every way, one thing dragaon age origins did have was fantastic friend AND romance dialog among the team and it was reasonably clear how to navigate it. It allowed the player to make friendships (or romance) in whatever why he/she chose. 

Considering that you're out to gain your team's loyalty, it is bizarre to me that you cannot develop relationships with the team in a purely friendly, respectful manner. It's either "they're on the ship" - "they're here and i did stuff for them" or "i plan to **** them."

[PrinceLionheart]

sagequeen wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

My problem with the Mass Effect system:
[Regular conversation]
[Regular conversation]
[Regular conversation]
[Loyalty mission]
[Romance dialogue: Yes or No?]
[Yes: Flirting and then sex cutscene]
[No: I don't want to talk with you anymore]
[Same gender: I don't want to talk with you anymore]

this.

Just to clarify:

i don't think there's anything wrong with the serious adoration that some of the LIs get. You may think it's creepy (heck, so do I sometimes and I'm a total fangirl), but to each their own fandom.

However, that ^ right there is very true. If this is an RP game (which I do believe it still is at some level) it is very frustrating that so much of the dialog got stripped away. ME1 had the ninja-romance minefield that no one liked, which they replaced in ME2 by taking away a lot of the dialog and making it an "on/off" switch for romance. 

While I prefer ME to DA in just about every way, one thing dragaon age origins did have was fantastic friend AND romance dialog among the team and it was reasonably clear how to navigate it. It allowed the player to make friendships (or romance) in whatever why he/she chose. 

Considering that you're out to gain your team's loyalty, it is bizarre to me that you cannot develop relationships with the team in a purely friendly, respectful manner. It's either "they're on the ship" - "they're here and i did stuff for them" or "i plan to **** them."

It's kinda ironic, it seemed like the squadmates with the most fleshed out dialogue options were the non-romance characters like Samara and Mordin.

[PiEman]

Thane, definitely. For both my Sheps, he's competing with Garrus (Kaiden, for my Adept) for in game BFF.



Mordin, of course, and Joker. Legion too. Let's not forget Jacob.



Also, Samara was great. Especially with my Adept (my favorite of my two Shepards I have).



And I wish Zaeed got some more actual person-person dialog after his loyalty mission.

[Sable Rhapsody]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

It's kinda ironic, it seemed like the squadmates with the most fleshed out dialogue options were the non-romance characters like Samara and Mordin.

I 100% agree.  Honestly, if I'd been playing ME2 without having played ME1, I probably would have written off Garrus and Tali.  (Sorry, guys).  The main reason why I preferred them to most of my new crew was because I had two games with them.  The characters I really ended up liking in ME2 were the new non-romance characters.

Mordin is CRAZY AWESOME.  And one of those rare characters that's hysterical, but has a lot of emotional depth too with his sidequest.  Grunt was my duckie, like a crazy krogan protege.  But my two favorites were Samara and Legion.  My Shepard latched onto Samara as a mentor figure, and Legion is just so damn interesting.

[Alienmorph]

The main (maybe uniquie) problem with the dialogs in ME2 is that there's a LOT of characters... every time you did a key mission or a big amount of secondary ones in the first game there were new dialogs, 'cause less characters meaned more characterisation for each one of them... friendship or romance that it was. Honestly I really hope that in the last game of the trilogy the number of Shep's companions won't increase ulteriosly so much to give everyone the necessary space in the story.

[healywp]

I have to whole heartedly agree with this thread. My particular (smallish) bone to pick was that if they give us the scope to carry on after the main ME2 finale (and you really have the chance to go chat with the crew since mostly the missions you'll be doing will be small stuff) ... and thats right about when you run off the end of everyone dialogue tree.

The only line of conversation I can think of off-hand that is there to be done *after the big finish* is Morinth and well, that doesn't end so well.

Also Kasumi - as noted:

achwas wrote...

Best female friend : Kasumi, both for my femShep and manSheps. [...] Plus Kasumi has taste, some wisdom, an interesting profession and the ship's bar is located in her quarters.

You know what, I want a DLC where you just go do some random thing, then afterwards you can storm a nightclub and park everyone on the dancefloor. That, that would be fantastic...

[shivershepard]

damnit ashely you never loved me!!!!!!!!1

[stuboy52]

I support this thread because for example with my male shephard paragon your like a mentor to garrus and it would be cool if it was taken further with more discussions between them on the right thing to do in certain situations simular to the conversions shephard had with garrus in ME1 above how the job should get done.



Also Loyalty shouldn't be as easy as one mission to get the mission you should have to build your friendship and earn their respect through your actions.

[gabrielk2020]

I imagine Garrus as being my bud whenever I play this game. He's always got my back and I can count on him no matter what happens. And also Grunt as someone else mentioned, the homicidal yet devoted puppy. Of course it helps that I think all Krogan are strangely adorable (in a manly fashion), and would make awesome plush toys.