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[Dave of Canada]

Simpfan wrote...

Obviously Morinth can sex the reapers to death, so way better option.

That's why the Reapers are giant tentacle monsters.

It all makes sense now!

[thespianicism]

Bioware uses the whole decision making thing as a big selling point for its games. Sticking a choice a shocking as this one in a game helps drive that home. I mean, in that situation, if Shepard had the physical ability to kill either, that option would be present. It's like standing on a bridge with someone else. You could shove him off even if there's no good reason to. The choice to kill Samara is more defendable than randomly killing someone, but in either situation, there is a choice, no matter how irrational, present. Bioware can't go throwing every possible option into a game, but a few oddballs now and then serve to remind the player of his/her influence.

[Spornicus]

If you're renegade, you don't want Samara coming after you after the suicide mission. Maybe the, as Joker put it, "Soul-sucker with a death fetish" is actually the SAFER option. Just make sure she doesn't try to bang any of your squad, that could get bad.

[CroGamer002]

If you are Renegade Shep then is smart to kill her so she doesn't try to kill you in ME3.

[angj57]

I agree with the OP. I have a renegade Shepard, but he's not an idiot or a bad officer. While, Morinth is kind of hot and tempting, and Samara is kind of pompous, the choice is beyond obvious. Morinth is an out-of-control, irresistable serial killer. Even if Shepard is confident that he can resist her, he can't vouch for his crew or other team members. She would be a bigger threat to your crew than the Collectors. If Shepard is worried about Samara after the mission, he can just let her die on the suicide mission. The Morinth option makes no sense to me either.

[Titanium Man]

Of course part of my opinion is filtered by the fact that I play Paragon and other nice guys in RPGs, but even from a "badass" standpoint, there's really no reason to go with Morinth. As mentioned earlier, Samara is direct - she'll tell you that she's going to kill you if you deserve it. Morinth is a dangerous liar who says whatever she wants to get what she wants. Samara pretty much told you so from the beginning.

[didymos1120]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

If you think about it from a renegade perspective, you can kill two birds with one stone. Kill Samara, alleviating a future threat. Then, during the suicide mission, kill Morinth, a known psychopath who will kill anyone for sex. Win-Win

Sure, if the mechanics of the suicide mission weren't pure meta-game information that Shep couldn't possibly be aware of.  At best, Shep might think fixing some character's particular problem will raise their odds of survival.  However, Morinth is automatically in the "Loyal" state.  Nothing to fix.  Pretty much only non-idiotic way to get her killed is to have some non-loyal person screw up their job and rig things so that Morinth becomes the collateral damage.  To Shep, however, that would just look like sheer bad luck. You could also get her killed by sticking her with a job for which she is utterly unqualified, but the resulting death still plays out as largely random to someone in-game (stray bullet at the last moment, etc.), and it turns Shep into a total dipsh!t who endangers the mission on the off-chance she'll screw-up just enough to get herself killed.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:13 .

[didymos1120]

redhaudiof wrote...
*You already have one vicious psychopath aboard who loves to kill for fun in Jack, why not add another?

Jack doesn't really qualify as an actual psychopath.  She's not so much lacking empathy as lacking the inclination to act on her empathy.  Just Paragon her loyalty mission and see what she says about the guy afterwards.  Also recall why her impulse was to kill him:  she was upset that he'd start the project all over again.  Well, what does she care?  She wouldn't be a test subject.  Not her problem.

Yes, she gets "warm feelings" in a fight, but that's a response instilled by conditioning, something also made clear during her loyalty mission.  And yeah, she is a killer, but you don't need psychopathy to be one of those. Your entire team is composed of trained killers. Even if that's not their primary specialty, they're still trained for it.

[CroGamer002]

Also that people don't b*tch about not getting Morinth like they do with not joining Saren or Shadow Broker.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I'm just going to get Morinth killed in the suicide mission. That way Samara can't kill me for being dishonorable, Morinth won't backstab me and nobody will ever know she was there instead of Samara.

[maegi46]

it's just a game, meant for fun, stop over analyzing every minute detail and just play the game. Pick the character that fits your shepard's play style and call it a day

[Titanium Man]

maegi46 wrote...

it's just a game, meant for fun, stop over analyzing every minute detail and just play the game. Pick the character that fits your shepard's play style and call it a day

First time on the Internet?  :V

[DPSSOC]

Titanium Man wrote...
Let's think about this.  You've picked up an asari justicar, the paladins of the Mass Effect universe.  They're bound by a code which they fiercely live by, if most justicars are like Samara.  They're dedicated to being good-natured, fighting the good fight, ending injustice, that sort of thing.

This is actually the best reason to kill her.  Samara's code and outlook sounds good in theory, until you recognize that that same code will, as soon as her oath to you expires, require her to kill a good number of your crew if not you.  Jack, Zaeed, Grunt, Miranda, Garrus (elaboration later), Kasumi, even Mordin, would all be on her hit list.  Samara's a ticking time bomb because as soon as her oath expires, and she's the only one with any clear idea of when that will be, it's open season.

I'm not saying Morinth is any better, it's really a choice between 2 different venomous snakes.  No matter which one you pick it's going to bite you, just a matter of when and how much you suffer before you die.

[Titanium Man]

DPSSOC wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...
Let's think about this.  You've picked up an asari justicar, the paladins of the Mass Effect universe.  They're bound by a code which they fiercely live by, if most justicars are like Samara.  They're dedicated to being good-natured, fighting the good fight, ending injustice, that sort of thing.

This is actually the best reason to kill her.  Samara's code and outlook sounds good in theory, until you recognize that that same code will, as soon as her oath to you expires, require her to kill a good number of your crew if not you.  Jack, Zaeed, Grunt, Miranda, Garrus (elaboration later), Kasumi, even Mordin, would all be on her hit list.  Samara's a ticking time bomb because as soon as her oath expires, and she's the only one with any clear idea of when that will be, it's open season.

I'm not saying Morinth is any better, it's really a choice between 2 different venomous snakes.  No matter which one you pick it's going to bite you, just a matter of when and how much you suffer before you die.

True.  But Samara's a far less poisonous snake compared to Morinth.

[TonyTitan]

Just a question I've been wanting to ask. But how did Kasumi know that it's Morinth as part of the crew now? After you complete the suicide mission and have a chat with Kasumi, she expresses worries to Shep about getting involved in a relationship with Morinth....So how did she know it was Morinth? Sneak into her room while cloaked as you chatted with her and saw that it was no longer Samara?

[Xenomorphwut]

probably...she sneaks in on all the snu-snu scences after all.

[Siansonea]

Shandepared wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I'm just going to get Morinth killed in the suicide mission. That way Samara can't kill me for being dishonorable, Morinth won't backstab me and nobody will ever know she was there instead of Samara.

...but it would be so much more devious to unleash her on asari space.

...they're the Scourge Of The Galaxy!!!!

<_<

[Flying-Jew]

Because she can use Dominate

[Ski Mask Wei]

I thought the choice was dumb at first too only doing it with my most renegade shepards but then I actually saw her tell me she would kill me if we met again after the suicide mission. This was after I helped her kill her daughter too. Ungrateful ho. So it makes sense for renegades to kill her.



I hope I Bioware really follows through with Samara's promise in the future. It'd be a good way to punish paragades. Have Samara poke out an eye or something.

[Christmas Ape]

Even renegade Shepard is willing to trade her life for humanity, undertaking a suicide mission through the Omega-4 relay, so it's clearly not some deep-seated antipathy to other beings but rather a ruthless, ends-justify-means soldier tasked with the hardest job ever.



Taking Morinth over Samara is spitting on a Marine officer's willingness to sacrifice, trading your eventual confrontation with Samara in favor of Morinth eventually death-humping one or more of your crew. Cowards, the lot.

[thq95]

Samara tried to kill Nihlus...

[Costin_Razvan]

I don't need a sodding fanatic on my crew. Although in most of my playthroughs I kill Morinth and make sure Samara doesn't die in the Suicide Mission, I just don't like the Asari Justicar.



I only spared Morinth once though, and only to see if the choice will matter at all in ME3.

[wulf3n]

Mesina2 wrote...

If you are Renegade Shep then is smart to kill her so she doesn't try to kill you in ME3.

What can you do as a Renegade that would make her have to kill you? I mean her actions seem just as renegade, she just does it with a softer and sexier voice