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[Wishpig]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I will get the game once it gets hacked.

I'm not saying I'm getting it pirated...I'm saying that, legitimate or not, I will not play the game until I have a way to play it without the disk/internet connection/seperated from Battle.Net.

Because you need to be online, amirite?.

Yes, you do

You don't need to be online to play... you just need to be online to

1. Authenticate you CD key (standard in nearly all PC games)
2. Sign up to battlenet, which kinda ties into #1

My internet is blown, really crappy, so I can't play games online. Hell, I unplug the internet to PLAY starcraft 2.

[addiction21]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Yes, you do

No, no you dont and that "article" you linked has nothing at all to do with single player. Oh and there is the fact that I and many others are playing the single player campaign offline right now... but hey lets not get facts mixed up in this or anything. That would just be silly.

[xCirdanx]

"If Dragon Age is polished then Starcraft II is gleaming white. Yes there are issues with balance and there might be some bugs ( haven't noticed anything yet, but still ) but that's something that can't be corrected without launching a game and seeing how it performs on various systems.  The difference between Blizzard and Bioware is that Blizzard actually has REAL patch support, while Bioware doesn't care all that much. The fact that Starcraft 1 and Diablo II still have patch support to this day is a testament to Blizzard as a company."


I haven´t noticed bugs yet, but the balance issues are annoying as hell, especially because they where there in the beta too and haven´t been addressed yet. I found myself facerolling to the top with Terran again, just like in the beta.

Anyway they have done a very good job with the single player campaign and i enjoy it so far, even though i find it a bit too easy. It does feel and play like SC1 which is nice. Better graphics wouldn´t have hurt though, but it´s ok.

I can´t say if the SP part (story-wise) is better than SC1&BW yet because i´m not done with it. There was no surprise so far, however that could be because i´m very familiar with the lore and books. I do prefer the MP part from the first game though.  I´m just glad i got the game very very cheap with only one campaign and no LAN, i sure wouldn´t have paid the normal price and i´m actually wondering what the heck they did in all these years of production.

Too bad it will take some time until we will get the 2 other "expansions". Still, it´s a really good game and worth buying, especially because there haven´t been any good RTS games for a while now. (don´t even start with the last crap C&C or DoW2)

About the patching, i agree with you that Blizzard has a good support however Bioware´s was good too! It just went down the toilet when EA took over.

Modifié par xCirdanx, 28 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

[Mecha Tengu]

SC2 sold out in Korea in the firs 5 minutes LOL



and has anyone here got it? Ive been a fan of starcraft and warcraft 3 for many years. I've been playing DOTA and custom wc3 maps since 2003 and havent stopped since.



Starcraft 2 looks awesome, people made shooter maps that rival half life's graphics. They could also practically make diablo 3 on the map editor

[DukeOfNukes]

addiction21 wrote...

No, no you dont and that "article" you linked has nothing at all to do with single player. Oh and there is the fact that I and many others are playing the single player campaign offline right now... but hey lets not get facts mixed up in this or anything. That would just be silly.

When did I say anything about the campaign? I said that features which should be available to people OFFLINE are unavailable or simply cut out of the game. There are 2 glaring ones that I know about: No LAN play, and no Single Player Skirmish. Considering that I don't play online matches, there's really no reason for me to bother purchasing the game.

[Gaxhung]

Joystiq review of SCII

[Wishpig]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

No, no you dont and that "article" you linked has nothing at all to do with single player. Oh and there is the fact that I and many others are playing the single player campaign offline right now... but hey lets not get facts mixed up in this or anything. That would just be silly.

When did I say anything about the campaign? I said that features which should be available to people OFFLINE are unavailable or simply cut out of the game. There are 2 glaring ones that I know about: No LAN play, and no Single Player Skirmish. Considering that I don't play online matches, there's really no reason for me to bother purchasing the game.

Jesus dude... get your info right. Single Player Skirmish is availible offline (although I can easily steam roll normal A.I., while in the first game normal A.I. could steam roll me)... I can't play online atm due to a shoddy internet connection, and I still rate it a DAMN good buy.

Shortened not worth ranting.

Modifié par Wishpig, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:20 .

[DukeOfNukes]

Wishpig wrote...

Jesus dude... get your info right. Single Player Skirmish is availible offline (although I can easily steam roll normal A.I., while in the first game normal A.I. could steam roll me)... I can't play online atm due to a shoddy internet connection, and I still rate it a DAMN good buy.

Shortened not worth ranting.

I have a few friends playing, and they can't get single player skirmish working. They go to "play with AI", and the "Create Game" Option is greyed out. Maybe you can be offline, but you have to authorize it through Battle.Net? Either way, I'm put off by that.

As I said, once the game is hacked so that I can play LAN games, then I might care. I have no desire to get my ass handed to me online...and would rather just have friends come over and play face to face.

[Wicked 702]

I'm with you on this Duke. I much prefer gaming with friends. There are aspects of this game that are a real turn off, even being such a huge Starcraft fan as I am (and as many of you out there are).

I plan to wait a little while until they release all three parts together and then go nuts with a new build, etc. Hopefully by the time they've patched a couple things (and hackers have added what's been lost) it'll be in the awesome category like SC1.

[Costin_Razvan]

You do realize you can play it on Bnet with friends right? There is a thing called CUSTOM games. You can make private games easily enough.



Seriously, nice way of excusing yourself for wanting to pirate it for LAN play.



As for offline Skirmish play:

[Wishpig]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Jesus dude... get your info right. Single Player Skirmish is availible offline (although I can easily steam roll normal A.I., while in the first game normal A.I. could steam roll me)... I can't play online atm due to a shoddy internet connection, and I still rate it a DAMN good buy.

Shortened not worth ranting.

I have a few friends playing, and they can't get single player skirmish working. They go to "play with AI", and the "Create Game" Option is greyed out. Maybe you can be offline, but you have to authorize it through Battle.Net? Either way, I'm put off by that.

As I said, once the game is hacked so that I can play LAN games, then I might care. I have no desire to get my ass handed to me online...and would rather just have friends come over and play face to face.

You have to authorize you account with battle.net (buy typing in your CD key), but that is a ONE TIME THING. And the vast majority of PC games require that these days because piracy and hacking is a big problem. Ironically your problems (the reason you want to hack) is because people hack and pirate games. Your literally helping to create future more annoying secruity systems if you hack. PC Games may one day require us to always be online (like DA:O pretty much does), and it is thanks to people like you.

I'm just guessing but your friends are prob trying to "play A.I." off the multiplayer menu screen if you click single player screen then you can play "play A.I."

LAN is a problem, but I'm suprised that single issue would keep you from playing the game as the single player is great and the harder levels of A.I. offer a challenge.

Listen, like I said, I unplug the internet before I even start running the game, and this game is a very great buy reguadless, and I always have acess to single player skirmish.

Wicked 702 wrote...

I'm with you on this Duke. I much
prefer gaming with friends. There are aspects of this game that are a
real turn off, even being such a huge Starcraft fan as I am (and as many
of you out there are).
I plan to wait a little while until they
release all three parts together and then go nuts with a new build, etc.
Hopefully by the time they've patched a couple things (and hackers have
added what's been lost) it'll be in the awesome category like
SC1.

What aspects? LAN is the only thing missing.

Battle.net has a great friend system. I do not see how you couldn't just play with your friends... unless your pirated the game and can't go online. I may dabble in a few games agianst random folk, but I'll mostly be playing with my pals.

Modifié par Wishpig, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:27 .

[FDrage]

Wishpig wrote...
[...] PC Games may one day require us to always be online (like DA:O pretty much does), [...]

umm ... I pretty much never boot my router (which is switched off when I don't need it) when I want to play a game. So the only time I went online was with some DLC to download ...

Wishpig wrote...
What aspects? LAN is the only thing missing.

Battle.net has a great friend system. I do not see how you couldn't just play with your friends... unless your pirated the game and can't go online. I may dabble in a few games agianst random folk, but I'll mostly be playing with my pals.

That is the only thing that I'm missing as well ... the LAN asspect as I had all my multiplayer games on SC via LAN (with all people involved havening had their oen full version), but it was just nice to hope over to a friend plug it into the router and have a game set-up rather having to go through Battle.net (and the including boardband realted potential issues) as you are kind of forced to register with Battle.net for authantication purposes.

At least they try to make "being online" part of the experience aka trying to offer you something, instead of just "forceing" you to be always online. I guess at least part of industry is waking up and putting some "suger coating" on various different DRM methods.

Also battle.net friendlist ... well within SC it is ok .. across various games they use their RealID stuff which is a no-no for me.

On the otherside people try to use various issues with the game to justify cracks, etc. which is contrac productive, at best, to the whole thing.

However if Blizzard would have implemented a "always online" policy I simply would not have bought it, which would have ment "not playing the game" as I wouldn't pirate it either. Which would have been a shame as I would have missed out on a great game (stupid C&C4 ).

Modifié par FDrage, 29 juillet 2010 - 02:05 .

[Rubbish Hero]

EA ruin C&C, C&C4 suppose to be MP only.

Rush game with SP for more sales.

[Tirigon]

Wishpig wrote...

You have to authorize you account with battle.net (buy typing in your CD key), but that is a ONE TIME THING. And the vast majority of PC games require that these days because piracy and hacking is a big problem. Ironically your problems (the reason you want to hack) is because people hack and pirate games. Your literally helping to create future more annoying secruity systems if you hack. PC Games may one day require us to always be online (like DA:O pretty much does), and it is thanks to people like you.

Anti hacking measures is the reason for piracy, and people who accept all the bullsh!t a company hands to them are the ones to blame.

Not that it matters much. Most recent games are not even worth downloading them for free, because they just suck too much.

[Rubbish Hero]

Reason for piracy getting something for nothing without repercussion.

Also you made a great post, you're great.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:28 .

[Wishpig]

Tirigon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

You have to authorize you account with battle.net (buy typing in your CD key), but that is a ONE TIME THING. And the vast majority of PC games require that these days because piracy and hacking is a big problem. Ironically your problems (the reason you want to hack) is because people hack and pirate games. Your literally helping to create future more annoying secruity systems if you hack. PC Games may one day require us to always be online (like DA:O pretty much does), and it is thanks to people like you.

Anti hacking measures is the reason for piracy, and people who accept all the bullsh!t a company hands to them are the ones to blame.

Not that it matters much. Most recent games are not even worth downloading them for free, because they just suck too much.

Thats what pirates and hackers keep telling themselves... I think they've said it so many times they actually beleave that B.S.

NOTHING makes piracy ok and anyone who does it is more in the wrong then anything the devs put us through to prevent piracy.

And it's not the people who accept it who are to blame, it's the pirates who are to blame. Take SFIV, piracy was so bad that their not making SSFIV for the PC (although their are some rumors they might, but the reason they haven't even started IS because piracy was so bad.)

I will gladly jump through a few hoops if it means stopping only a handfull of pirates. Especially if it's for a high quality game where the devs more then earned the $$$ pirates are stealing from them.

[Rubbish Hero]

Wishpig wrote...NOTHING makes piracy ok and anyone who does it is more in the wrong then anything the devs put us through to prevent piracy

Exactly, if you want to make a point, simply vote with your dollars, don't buy it, don't take the effort of stealing it, point made.  While pirating it may have had an effect with spore, in actuality it has increased DRM significantly.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:33 .

[DukeOfNukes]

Wishpig wrote...
Ironically your problems (the reason you want to hack) is because people hack and pirate games.

You're absolutely right. It is Ironic that PC companies spend so much time worrying about creating anti-piracy measures, only to make it so that people who obtain legitimate copies of the game feel it necissary to hack it. It was the same with other games like Assassins Creed II...that game was UNPLAYABLE without it being hacked.

You're acting like I'm sitting here saying "I'm going to pirate this game"...when I'm not. I'm talking about hacking the game to include features that SHOULD HAVE been included in the game to begin with. How hard is it to include LAN support? I mean...it might have taken 1 person 1 day to customize the online interface for LAN play. Maybe LAN isn't a big deal to you, but some of us still prefer face to face interaction. Eventually I'll probably buy the game...but when I do, I'll keep 2 copies installed: One that's hacked, so I can play LAN games and Single Player Skirmish...and one that's not, so I can play custom games online.

[Rubbish Hero]

Starcraft II in an incredibly popular game. People will be buying it for the multiplayer.If the option is there to simply pirate it and play it through lan withoutdropping a penny, I can understand them attempting to protect there  product. For the overwhelming majority of people out there, lan isn't a big deal.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:51 .

[Wishpig]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Ironically your problems (the reason you want to hack) is because people hack and pirate games.

You're absolutely right. It is Ironic that PC companies spend so much time worrying about creating anti-piracy measures, only to make it so that people who obtain legitimate copies of the game feel it necissary to hack it. It was the same with other games like Assassins Creed II...that game was UNPLAYABLE without it being hacked.

You're acting like I'm sitting here saying "I'm going to pirate this game"...when I'm not. I'm talking about hacking the game to include features that SHOULD HAVE been included in the game to begin with. How hard is it to include LAN support? I mean...it might have taken 1 person 1 day to customize the online interface for LAN play. Maybe LAN isn't a big deal to you, but some of us still prefer face to face interaction. Eventually I'll probably buy the game...but when I do, I'll keep 2 copies installed: One that's hacked, so I can play LAN games and Single Player Skirmish...and one that's not, so I can play custom games online.

C'mon man, you've been told what, like 5 times now, that you can play
SIngle Player Skirmish without having any internet connection.

Funny part is, the very few companies who don't apply any anti-piracy measures also get hacked and pirated to hell. Oblivion for exam

The vast majority of people who apply hacks are pirates. Only a very few apply hacks to games they buy so they can "include features that should have been there." Plus if you WERE going to pirate it you would never admit it, being you'd be kicked off these forums pretty freakin fast.

I'll agree a lack of LAN is wierd, and a legit reason to be annoyed. I have no idea how a hack could implant it though...

[DukeOfNukes]

I hack nearly every game I own...at least EVENTUALLY. I don't like having to keep a disk in my drive. I don't like being bound to the limits of having only one healer in the game (looking at you, DAO).



The best ones are where the developers hack it for you. Look at Left 4 Dead 2, and their mutations. That's basically the game, hacked, in a new and interesting way every week.



I'm not here asking for your approval...or asking if you agree. Lack of LAN support puts me off of the game. Hacking it in, I think, would be fairly simple...and just a matter of tricking the interface into thinking that a LAN connection is an internet connection. You can do the same in reverse, and trick your PS3 and Xbox360 into thinking that an internet connection is a LAN connection.

[Tirigon]

Wishpig wrote...

And it's not the people who accept it who are to blame, it's the pirates who are to blame. Take SFIV, piracy was so bad that their not making SSFIV for the PC (although their are some rumors they might, but the reason they haven't even started IS because piracy was so bad.)

I will tell you why this reasoning is BullSh!t: Console games can and will be pirated too.

I will gladly jump through a few hoops if it means stopping only a handfull of pirates.

Only it won´t. It might mean that the hackers will have a bit more challenge, if only...... At very best it will mean that there are a few bugged releases first before it´s completely working as pirated version.

Especially if it's for a high quality game where the devs more then earned the $$$ pirates are stealing from them.

If they do earn it, people will gladly pay.

That´s why anti-piracy measures fail: They don´t stop pirates but punish people who buy the game legally. A good example is Mass Effect 2: Pirates do not only have access to all DLC without the trouble many people experienced, they even got it 2 weeks before official release....

Modifié par Tirigon, 29 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Thread not drm bad boo hoo time, Starcraft.

[LyletheBloody]

Props to the OP for capitalizing the C in StarCraft; it is a lost art. : p



Loving the game so far. If they had included the full Zerg/Protoss story lines... this would have been the best RTS ever released I think... at least one of the biggest.



Not through it yet and I have company today so I can't play. : (

[Loerwyn]

LyletheBloody wrote...

Props to the OP for capitalizing the C in StarCraft; it is a lost art. : p

I believe it was actually Seagloom who corrected it