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Wishpig wrote...

Funny part is, the very few companies who don't apply any anti-piracy measures also get hacked and pirated to hell. Oblivion for exam


I'm guessing you meant to say companies that DO apply these measures. I just uninstalled Oblivion and was dismayed to find out it had SECUROM on it. I had a hell of a time trying to uninstall it, finally had to delete some conflicting programs to do it... what a PITA!

I couldn't resist, bought SC2 yesterday and loving it so far. I am too slow on APM's for RTS's (I'm much better at grognard Turn Based Strategy) but hopefully the matching system on the new bnet will work well. Playing through the single player campaign, but am stuck on the Hard difficulty Zero Hour achievement lol. The one where you have to destry four hatcheries... best I've been able to do is take out one Image IPB.  I've tried that one over and over and can't seem to figure it out. Probably have to come back to it later.

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That achievement seemed easy after finishing the mission twice on Brutal.

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@Costin: I'm going to assume that your comment on page 6 below mine was directed at me. If so, where did I say anything about pirating the game? I'm just talking about a mod that adds LAN support. I personally modded SC1 heavily.



@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts, the lack of LAN support, the suckiness (my opinion) of the new battlenet, the reports of balancing issues, and my current lack of hardware needed to run the game. For me, it's best to wait a while.

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I'm curious so its gotta be asked. How many SC fans here like Firefly/Serenity?

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Rulian wrote...

I'm curious so its gotta be asked. How many SC fans here like Firefly/Serenity?


At least one.

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@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts, the lack of LAN support, the suckiness (my opinion) of the new battlenet, the reports of balancing issues, and my current lack of hardware needed to run the game. For me, it's best to wait a while.


Don't be... this feels like a full game, not 1/3 of a game. The single player is hands down the greatest RTS single-player I've ever experianced. The production values are through the roof. AND it's long, longer then any of blizzard's previous RTS's. It's so varied, both with missions and units (many which don't appear in multiplayer), that surprsingly, playing as the Terran doesn't get old. And there's a nice side-single player story which allows you to play as one of the other two races in a nice seperate tale of their own.

Don't look at the following two games as what you SHOULD have gotten, think of them as what they really are, expansions. And yes, they are officially expansions, and will be $$$ accordingly.

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triple post... sry my internet is f*ed up big time

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 juillet 2010 - 12:59 .


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triple post... sry my internet is f*ed up big time

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 juillet 2010 - 12:59 .


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Wishpig wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts, the lack of LAN support, the suckiness (my opinion) of the new battlenet, the reports of balancing issues, and my current lack of hardware needed to run the game. For me, it's best to wait a while.


Don't be... this feels like a full game, not 1/3 of a game. The single player is hands down the greatest RTS single-player I've ever experianced. The production values are through the roof. AND it's long, longer then any of blizzard's previous RTS's. It's so varied, both with missions and units (many which don't appear in multiplayer), that surprsingly, playing as the Terran doesn't get old. And there's a nice side-single player story which allows you to play as one of the other two races in a nice seperate tale of their own.

Don't look at the following two games as what you SHOULD have gotten, think of them as what they really are, expansions. And yes, they are officially expansions, and will be $$$ accordingly.



This

Quite refreshing to see that Blizzard didn't jump on the DLC bandwagon and go old school with expansions. I really like the new Battle Net so far... the only thing missing is chat, and that is going to be added soon anyway.

(Oh and I finally did that Zero Hour achievement :D)

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 Wait a second, does StarCraft 2 have splitscreen?

Some I heard that it does. 

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ScreamingPalm wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts, the lack of LAN support, the suckiness (my opinion) of the new battlenet, the reports of balancing issues, and my current lack of hardware needed to run the game. For me, it's best to wait a while.


Don't be... this feels like a full game, not 1/3 of a game. The single player is hands down the greatest RTS single-player I've ever experianced. The production values are through the roof. AND it's long, longer then any of blizzard's previous RTS's. It's so varied, both with missions and units (many which don't appear in multiplayer), that surprsingly, playing as the Terran doesn't get old. And there's a nice side-single player story which allows you to play as one of the other two races in a nice seperate tale of their own.

Don't look at the following two games as what you SHOULD have gotten, think of them as what they really are, expansions. And yes, they are officially expansions, and will be $$$ accordingly.



This

Quite refreshing to see that Blizzard didn't jump on the DLC bandwagon and go old school with expansions. I really like the new Battle Net so far... the only thing missing is chat, and that is going to be added soon anyway.

(Oh and I finally did that Zero Hour achievement :D)


Yeah, expansions are always my preferred choice for post-release content. More content and retail purchases are convenient.

As for bnet, the only thing I miss were the chat rooms. The new bnet kinda has it, but it's just not the same.

Also I've been playing this modded side-scroller all day today. (Because I couldn't beat the last mission on Brutal... ITS BRUTAL). It gives me HIGH hopes for the mod community.

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Being a pretty avid fan and player of SC1 back in the hay day, I have to say, SC2 is pretty much the same and although for the die hards that's a good thing, for me I was hoping for something more.

I will say the single player campaign was pretty sweet in it's design and execution and I was thoroughly entertained until the end which made me raise an eyebrow concerning the future expansions. But looking back, the story is pretty bare bones/cliche. I mean SC1 wasn't the pinnacle of story telling or anything but for this having nearly the same amount of missions, it seemed just sort of, well, flat in the plot department. *shrugs*

Concerning the multiplayer.. meh, it's the same old SC with better graphics and added/removed units for balance sake. I'm not sure why this took 12 years to get out the door. I mean I'm having fun, but it makes me yearn for the days of MP medics, goliaths and dark archons.. Besides the unit changes though everything is literally the exact same, no new additions gameplay wise besides those which, depending on how you look at it is a good or a bad thing.

Overall I'd give SC2 based solely on the game itself excluding Bnet an 8/10, including the revamped Bnet and DRM additions it lowers it to 6.5/10, I hate DRM and the new Bnet is horrible compared to the first imo.

Good game though, I can't say it's not.

Modifié par Revan312, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:11 .


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Wicked 702 wrote...

@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts,

I'm gonna jump on the "lol, ur wrong" bandwagon here.

Blizzard have, to my knowledge, made it clear that StarCraft 2 would be in 3 parts for at least a year or two. If they drop the two xeno-campaigns to allow them to focus on the Terran campaign, how is that a bad thing? You're going to end up with 3 higher quality campaigns than you would if they were releasing all 3 at once.

It's called a good development decision.

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OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts,

I'm gonna jump on the "lol, ur wrong" bandwagon here.

Blizzard have, to my knowledge, made it clear that StarCraft 2 would be in 3 parts for at least a year or two. If they drop the two xeno-campaigns to allow them to focus on the Terran campaign, how is that a bad thing? You're going to end up with 3 higher quality campaigns than you would if they were releasing all 3 at once.

It's called a good development decision.


Lets not kid ourselves here, it's about cash, pure and simple.  The campaign took me about 18 hours to complete on hard so it's not like this is DA:O or Mass Effect here, it's short and to the point.  Also, besides the limited amount of animated cutscenes and dialogue, the maps aren't unbelievably complex and creative.

The core game isn't changed besides the modeling and unit differences and the maps are identical in design to the first games...  I'm gonna say that most of the time for this game went into balancing issues and changing Bnet to what it is.  The single player campaign isn't so amazing as to call for 12 years of D time.  The 2 expansions are blatently about getting more cash as has been both blizzards and Activisions business model for quite some time now..

Now none of that is to say I won't be buying the next 2 Xpacs or that they won't be good, just that you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that they did it to give us more game for our money.  It's already 10 bucks above most games that come out and to finish it you need to spend another 60 for the next 2 parts. It's all about the $$$

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The campaign took me about 18 hours to complete on hard so it's not like this is DA:O or Mass Effect here, it's short and to the point.


You call 18 hours short? For me ME2 took about 30 hours on my first playthrough, which was on insanity along with all the side missions and such.

Now, I've been playing Starcraft 2 on Brutal, and so far after completing mission 7 I have played about 2 hours 30 minutes, and that's not including the time spent chatting with people or watching the cinematics, and not including the time spent doing achievements which I didn't complete on my first run of some missions.

So I will probably take more then 22 hours at least to finish it on Brutal, without counting achievements, and since I finish Mass Effect 2 in about 20 hours on my other playthroughs save the first one, then the length is great for an RTS, and Starcraft 2 also has multiplayer so..

As for Cash plain and simple, one word: Awakening, 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:28 .


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Length not automatically equal quality.

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Rulian wrote...

I'm curious so its gotta be asked. How many SC fans here like Firefly/Serenity?


Can't say that im SC fan. But I do like them :)

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Revan312 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts,

I'm gonna jump on the "lol, ur wrong" bandwagon here.

Blizzard have, to my knowledge, made it clear that StarCraft 2 would be in 3 parts for at least a year or two. If they drop the two xeno-campaigns to allow them to focus on the Terran campaign, how is that a bad thing? You're going to end up with 3 higher quality campaigns than you would if they were releasing all 3 at once.

It's called a good development decision.


Lets not kid ourselves here, it's about cash, pure and simple.  The campaign took me about 18 hours to complete on hard so it's not like this is DA:O or Mass Effect here, it's short and to the point.  Also, besides the limited amount of animated cutscenes and dialogue, the maps aren't unbelievably complex and creative.

The core game isn't changed besides the modeling and unit differences and the maps are identical in design to the first games...  I'm gonna say that most of the time for this game went into balancing issues and changing Bnet to what it is.  The single player campaign isn't so amazing as to call for 12 years of D time.  The 2 expansions are blatently about getting more cash as has been both blizzards and Activisions business model for quite some time now..

Now none of that is to say I won't be buying the next 2 Xpacs or that they won't be good, just that you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that they did it to give us more game for our money.  It's already 10 bucks above most games that come out and to finish it you need to spend another 60 for the next 2 parts. It's all about the $$$

20 hours of single-player gameplay for a game primarily focused on multiplayer is more than good enough. Also, Blizzard games have been priced at $60 (or with a subscription fee) for a long time now. That's just as much as a console game these days.

I still don't understand why people believe that it's only about money for game developers, as if they're put at a disadvantage from buying a sequel (clearly, sequels are only made for the money...). They're not going to give away these games for free. A lot of people put a lot of hard work into making games like StarCraft (or Mass Effect, or Dragon Age, and so on).

It reminds me of the people who complain to theme park employees about other people paying for express passes, as if being able to enjoy a theme park wasn't already an expensive luxury.

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So apparently you can only play terran in the campaign; are the other races available in multiplayer / skirmish at least?

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Of course. There is also a Protoss mini campaign.

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Revan312 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

@Wishpig: I'm a little annoyed by the game being released in three parts,

I'm gonna jump on the "lol, ur wrong" bandwagon here.

Blizzard have, to my knowledge, made it clear that StarCraft 2 would be in 3 parts for at least a year or two. If they drop the two xeno-campaigns to allow them to focus on the Terran campaign, how is that a bad thing? You're going to end up with 3 higher quality campaigns than you would if they were releasing all 3 at once.

It's called a good development decision.


Now none of that is to say I won't be buying the next 2 Xpacs or that they won't be good, just that you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that they did it to give us more game for our money.  It's already 10 bucks above most games that come out and to finish it you need to spend another 60 for the next 2 parts. It's all about the $$$


Gotta disagree with you. Of course money is always a factor, but I honestly beleave that another factor is they wanted to make single player THAT damn good. Think about how damn long it took to make Starcraft 2. No imagine they put in two other campeigns just as good and as long as the Terran campeign. That would add major major major production time. A year or two at least. I mean think about it, we're talking at least 50 hours of single player just as good as the terran story. Thats asking allot considering the quality.

Yes, money is most certainly a major factor. They will make more $$$$, we all know that (although when the game was announced, before we know about the split campeign, we knew there would be an expansion. Thats what blizzard does).

But making a great game is also a major factor. Just a week ago they didn't even really START on the next game, besides working on the story. So it's not like their cutting any content to work us.

I know many people see blizzard as being corrupt and greedy, but honestly, I think the devs want to make the best game they can... and thats why their games are so successfull because they do.

Tirigon wrote...

So apparently you can only play terran in
the campaign; are the other races available in multiplayer / skirmish
at least?


Yes of course. Both in skirmish and multiplayer. Both other races are just as fleshed out, deep, and good looking as the Terran.

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .


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Just wondering did anyone fool around with the map editor yet? I was looking for the Tauren marine and terratron but I couldn't find them.

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Ecael wrote...

20 hours of single-player gameplay for a game primarily focused on multiplayer is more than good enough. Also, Blizzard games have been priced at $60 (or with a subscription fee) for a long time now. That's just as much as a console game these days.


My point isn't that it's not worth the money, it's that their business model is simply profit based.  The multiplayer aspect is almost unchanged from the first, the single player maybe has 1/20th of the dialogue/animated scenes of either Mass Effect or DA:O for example and it's 10 bucks more than either of those games.  Replayability I'll say is what warrents that extra cash but really, the amount of polished and complex work in SC2 isn't near that of an RPG, and I never expected it to be as it's an RTS, but splitting it into 3 parts is a blatent money grab.  Like I said, I really enjoyed the single player campaign and I will buy the next two parts, but it's pretty obvious why they did this.

I still don't understand why people believe that it's only about money for game developers, as if they're put at a disadvantage from buying a sequel (clearly, sequels are only made for the money...). They're not going to give away these games for free. A lot of people put a lot of hard work into making games like StarCraft (or Mass Effect, or Dragon Age, and so on).


I guarentee a lot more work went into ME or DA:O than all 3 parts of SC2 combined from a development standpoint.  They just revamped the original game and Bnet, slapped a polished SP campaign on it and called it good. DA:O and ME were created from the ground up, not SC, the lore was there, the gameplay was there, the artistic look was there, all they needed to do was recreate the graphics engine and rebalance it for the new/taken out units. Even the original and Brood War borrowed heavily from DOW 40k. Again, this isn't to say that SC2 is bad, it's not, it's damn enjoyable, but new ground this is not...

It reminds me of the people who complain to theme park employees about other people paying for express passes, as if being able to enjoy a theme park wasn't already an expensive luxury.


I wasn't complaining, I was pointing out the obvious.  And yes, it is a luxery but it doesn't mean I can't see just how profit prioritized Blizzard is.

Wishpig wrote...

Gotta disagree with you. Of course money
is always a factor, but I honestly beleave that another factor is they
wanted to make single player THAT damn good. Think about how damn
long it took to make Starcraft 2. No imagine they put in two other
campeigns just as good and as long as the Terran campeign. That would
add major major major production time. A year or two at least. I mean
think about it, we're talking at least 50 hours of single player just as
good as the terran story. Thats asking allot considering the quality.


But 50 hours of single player doesn't equal 50 hours of cinematic scenes, which is obviously where the production is.  The gameplay itself for each mission, which makes up the bulk of the SP campaign, are just custom maps that can be made in no time really. I played many many mods and custom maps in the original that put the Blizzard made story maps to shame.  The cinematics and dialogue, although extremely well done, make up only a very small portion of that campaign. 

All I'm trying to say is that I don't think that 60 hours (roughly) of single player with a 120-130 dollar price tag is anything but a $$$ grab.

Yes, money is most certainly a major factor. They will make more
$$$$, we all know that (although when the game was announced, before we
know about the split campeign, we knew there would be an expansion.
Thats what blizzard does).

But making a great game is also a
major factor. Just a week ago they didn't even really START on the next
game, besides working on the story. So it's not like their cutting any
content to work us.

I know many people see blizzard as being
corrupt and greedy, but honestly, I think the devs want to make the best
game they can... and thats why their games are so successfull because
they do.


10 million WoW subscribers X 15 bucks a month = 1.8 billion dollars a year, that's billion with a B.  They figure that SC2 WOL cost about 100 million to make, so 1/18th of their yearly WoW subscription money on a game that took a decade to complete.

I like Blizzard games, I think they're pretty polished and for the most part fun (though WoW went sour when WOTLK came out), but Blizzard is damn greedy, take a look at their headquarters, it's a freaking palace with fountains, giant statues, parks and massive "leisure" rooms full of widescreen TV's and every game/console/movie you can imagine. Working for Blizzard is the most cherry game dev job in the history of this industry and for the amount of product they produce compared to the amount of money they make, it's obvious just how "greedy" they are.

Blizzard, since 2004, has only made 2 games and 3 expansion packs. Compare this to Bioware which has made 5 full games, an expansion pack and a phone game since 2005 and only charges 50 bucks a game and has maybe 1/5th of the employees.  Next year Bioware will have two more games, one being an MMO. Blizzard is by far the most over rated game company ever and it's fans seem blind to just how easy Blizz has it.

Modifié par Revan312, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:41 .


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I'll only say this:



RESPECT Blizzard for keeping Starcraft II true to the fans who loved Starcraft.



Millions spent making a game that is in all respects as awesome as the first, in the same way. Hell, even the troops little logos are the same.



You don't see this kind of commitment to the hardcore fans anymore (Bioware should learn from Blizzard instead of pooping DA2).



Awesome game. Loving it!!! <3 <3 <3

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Revan312 wrote...

Lets not kid ourselves here, it's about cash, pure and simple.  The campaign took me about 18 hours to complete on hard so it's not like this is DA:O or Mass Effect here, it's short and to the point.  Also, besides the limited amount of animated cutscenes and dialogue, the maps aren't unbelievably complex and creative.

The core game isn't changed besides the modeling and unit differences and the maps are identical in design to the first games...  I'm gonna say that most of the time for this game went into balancing issues and changing Bnet to what it is.  The single player campaign isn't so amazing as to call for 12 years of D time.  The 2 expansions are blatently about getting more cash as has been both blizzards and Activisions business model for quite some time now..

Now none of that is to say I won't be buying the next 2 Xpacs or that they won't be good, just that you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that they did it to give us more game for our money.  It's already 10 bucks above most games that come out and to finish it you need to spend another 60 for the next 2 parts. It's all about the $$$


Eh? DA:O took me less than 15 hours to complete, but admittedly I wasn't very thorough.  However I've invested 22 Hours into Mass Effect 2 and that's two times. Once on Hard/Renegade, then Insane/Paragon. Making sure to get the most content possible, a completionist playthrough.
I wouldn't say 18 hours is too short, when playing the fabled ME2 twice is only four hours longer.

That's not to say I don't realize it's money grabbing. But going by hours alone, if the content in ME2 is worth $60, then the content in both Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void are also worth $60. More so when you consider Blizzard is planning to add more to the online and Bnet, and the obvious additions to the World Editor.

Also if anyone has a link I'd like to see where it says Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void will be priced as full games. Last I checked, which was a long time ago, they'd be priced as expansions. (Or appropriately proportionate to the content included. So half a game [SP] = half price).

Lastly, "blatantly" about more cash? Well no duh. That should be painfully obvious. These people don't make games for charity. They expect to get paid.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:09 .