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[Revan312]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Starcraft (The first and Brood War) was better then either.

With it's repetitive missions? Build a base, kill enemy base? Cause that is what the majority of SC1 missions involved, sure you had a few special ones, but those were far in between. In SC2 every mission has something unique in one way or another.

The great thing about SC2 is how it presents it's story on board the Hyperion, while in SC1 you only had a cutscene before each mission, and occasionally a CGI cinematic.

As for multiplayer, you can't say that SC1 beats SC2 there, yes SC 2 is just the same as SC 1 with some new mechanics and new units, but that's it. That doesn't however make SC2 weaker then SC1.

I wasn't clear, I meant SC1 is better than either DoW, not better than SC2..  I agree SC2 is better overall (though I thought the ending was a bit strange in consideration for the xpacs).  I still enjoyed SC1 more however simply because it was new and different, if I had never played it though I'd be glued to SC2 for hours upon hours, but since I burned myself out on the first, I'm a bit 'meh' on the second...

[Rubbish Hero]

This has even better story telling than Homeworld. Kinda sad Relic went from that too Dawn Of War and Company Of Heroes. Not that these games are bad, the story-telling just seemed tacked on compared to Homeworld.

[Costin_Razvan]

but since I burned myself out on the first, I'm a bit 'meh' on the second...

I suppose that is one way to look at it, I for one haven't played SC1 in well over half a decade.

[Revan312]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

This has even better story telling than Homeworld. Kinda sad Relic went from that too Dawn Of War and Company Of Heroes. Not that these games are bad, the story-telling just seemed tacked on compared to Homeworld.

SC2 has a great way of telling the story but it in no way had me as riveted and invested as Homeworld, not much ever has, all three homeworlds were magnificent, I even loved Cataclysm which many thought was just ok..  Jim Raynor is a good protagonist but he is in no way even close to as inspiring and amazing as Karen Sjet imo.  Those games are really the pinnicle of RTS games and I've never been able to find any since that have had as large an impact on my gaming life..

And now I'm off to go reinstall Homeworld 2 with the complex mod.. 

Modifié par Revan312, 01 août 2010 - 11:59 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

This has even better story telling than Homeworld. Kinda sad Relic went from that too Dawn Of War and Company Of Heroes. Not that these games are bad, the story-telling just seemed tacked on compared to Homeworld.

I think they're on par, but it's more of a matter of opinion.

Homeworld was just epic to me. Everything about it. The story, the scale, the gameplay. But SC2 gets points for being more character driven. It makes the story feel more grounded and relevant when there are actual people. I'm actually more interested in Jim and Sarah more than Zeratul and the Xel' Naga. (Though the latter is indirectly interesting because I'm curious as to how Jim and Sarah handle it.)

Also the Progenitors>>>Xel' Naga in a "mysterious advanced spacefaring race" contest. They're handled much better to. I believe the SC2 devs intend to fully depict what the Xel' Naga are, while the Progenitors never lost their mystery... Which made them seem even more epic. You can just let your imagination run wild with the Progenitors.

I'll never forget the scene where they/you/Karen find Sajuuk, and every single time the narrator said, "He whose hand shapes what is."

*Goes to play Homeworld 2 again*

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 02 août 2010 - 04:37 .

[Emperor Mars]

Finished the campaign today...good ****, really good ****.



Working on achievements now, I want my wolf marine picture.

[Sago_mulch]

i heard starcraft 2 is simply a crappy, overrated rehash of the old one. i cannot trust gaming journalists because they are either indoctrinated fanboys or are being paid by activision-blizzard for their opinion.

so now i come to rely on my biowear bruthas, what is starcraft 2 like? give me a really honest review. a short one.

Modifié par Sago_mulch, 02 août 2010 - 04:57 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Sago_mulch wrote...

i heard starcraft 2 is simply a crappy, overrated rehash of the old one. i cannot trust gaming journalists because they are either indoctrinated fanboys or are being paid by activision-blizzard for their opinion.

so now i come to rely on my biowear bruthas, what is starcraft 2 like? give me a really honest review. a short one.

Great.

[Cerrydd]

Sago_mulch wrote...

i heard starcraft 2 is simply a crappy, overrated rehash of the old one. i cannot trust gaming journalists because they are either indoctrinated fanboys or are being paid by activision-blizzard for their opinion.

so now i come to rely on my biowear bruthas, what is starcraft 2 like? give me a really honest review. a short one.

Emperor Mars wrote...

Finished the campaign today...good ****, really good ****.

[Panderfringe]

So, Starcraft 2. That part where Kerrigan wins the three-legged race is pretty sweet.



Also the hotdog eating contest with Tychus was just fundamentally amazing.

[DukeOfNukes]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also the Progenitors>>>Xel'
Naga in a "mysterious advanced spacefaring race" contest. They're
handled much better to. I believe the SC2 devs intend to fully depict
what the Xel' Naga are, while the Progenitors never lost their
mystery... Which made them seem even more epic. You can just let your
imagination run wild with the Progenitors.

My favorite
"mysterious advanced spacefaring race" is and will probably always be
the Ancients from Decent Freespace. We know almost nothing about
them...except that their development seems to mirror our own. So much so
that during cutscenes, we think the voice is refering to humans, but
it's actually about a long extinct race...eradicated by the Shivans
millenia before...but not before finding a way to attack them at their
weakest (remind anyone of anything from Mass Effect?)

We
don't know much else...and we don't need to know much else. Whatever
their sins were that got them erradicated, we are guilty of the same.

Of
course, the Shivans themselves are pretty awesome. Another race we know
little about, other than that they seem hell bent on destroying all
intelligent life. The conclusion to the sequel actually left us with
even more questions about them...and it's kinda painful because it's
unlikely we'll ever get an explanation of why they did what they
did...and how what we did seemed to make so little of a difference.

@ Sago Mulch: SC2 is good...but not great. Ultimately it's going to be the Multiplayer that makes or breaks it. My understanding is that there are some serious balancing issues...which have been around since the beta. I'm still ticked about the lack of LAN support...but my guess is that it's only a matter of time before there's a work around. The draw of Blizzard games has largely been the custom maps...and I'm just hoping that someone bothers to make one OTHER than DOTA.

[DragonRageGT]

Starcraft is the reason that the GT's exist. It's not a clan, just a bunch of older guys that met on bnet Bra-1 long ago and when teaming up, usually with the same partners against clan teams, they complained because we were always the same team too. So we created a tag to fake a clan team too and stop the complaints.

I was such a noob in RTS. No Idea about using hotkeys or a steady progression. Then I was taught and well I guess. When I last played on bnet I had 500-50-20 stats with my partner TartarugaGT. This when we had 33.6 or 54.6 modem and disconection where kinda a problem since we're in Brazil and servers were far away. Never on Ladder though... too much cheating, intentional disconects, etc.

And we beat the hell out of some Koreans too. Our game was always named 2v2World, 3v3World or 4v4World and the ducks..err.. oponents... used fell right into it.

GT or Galera da Toca are still together since then. Medical Doctors, Computer Engineers, Software Developers, Musicians/Int'l Trade executives (moi =), some graduating university students and some other professionals too. What we liked about it is that we were no kids. GT was never a clan, just a bunch of people that became real life friends and we'd be ready to challenge the World again. "Peace among men, War on the Net!" was our motto!

First GT meeting in 2000 had some 25 people from all over Brazil bringing their PC's to my building party hall so we could set up a private Lan House and do live what we used to do online. Play lots of Starcraft for a whole weekend. 48 hours of madness that almost got me expelled from the building! All those old ladies trying to sleep with the all Nukes and Mutalisks and Carriers/Storms going about their business... OMG, such good times.

I beta tested SC2. It's definitely the same game and that's a very good thing. Improved a lot of course. But Blizzard really killed that Worldwide community atmosphere that SC/BW had with this fraking "region" thing. My US version should arrive here on the 4th. I have no idea if I will be allowed to play online with it because of the restriction to Latin America server and the Portuguese/Spanish language only version that was released here. My guess is that I will be able to, only that my game client will be in English (thanks God for that) while most players on the server will have the "region" release.

It really sux because we never ever have had any game translated here. I was asked to test Warcraft 2 Tides of Darkness/Behind the Dark Portal, long ago, in a translated/dubbed version. It was the worst gaming experience of my life. The game was actually good but the dubbing/translation/weird hot keys were something too awful to be serious. WC2-Bnet Edition saved us from a lousy game at that time. Blizzard definitely took a wrong path in our market this time. They should have at least included English as an option on the package!

Modifié par RageGT, 02 août 2010 - 06:58 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Sago_mulch wrote...

i heard starcraft 2 is simply a crappy, overrated rehash of the old one. i cannot trust gaming journalists because they are either indoctrinated fanboys or are being paid by activision-blizzard for their opinion.

so now i come to rely on my biowear bruthas, what is starcraft 2 like? give me a really honest review. a short one.

****ING AWESOME. That's all I have to say.

Oh btw, I linked an unbiased review ( done by a normal person in his free time rather then by a real gaming journalist ) a few pages ago, but here it is: http://angryjoeshow....raft-ii-review/

[Amandea]

I was very disappointed when I finished Starcraft 2. I'm not sure anyone else felt it, but it felt like playing Mass Effect 1 over and over. The Protoss story was very similiar, and even many of the lines were the same too. But then again, it's not uncommon for Blizzard to steal things without even trying to hide it.

The game itself is great and very fun, but for the story, not so much. If you like Mass Effect you should buy it, practically the same game, just in strategy.

Modifié par Amandea, 02 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[Rubbish Hero]

The first Zeratul map was pweety awesome.  It felt like I was playing a old school CRPG than a RTS.
Also the cut-scene, super super awsome.

Amandea wrote...  I was very disappointed when I finished
Starcraft 2. I'm not sure anyone else felt it, but it felt like playing
Mass Effect 1 over and over..

It's actually most likely taken from Wing Commander..
It's easily alot better than Mass Effect imo, the story and characters are actually fun than pretentious super
series crap. Bioware games need to lighten up abit. They tend to be  right up themselves now like the batman movies. Also, Starcraft it's a continuation of Starcraft, which excited long before Mass Effect and was in development long before Mass Effect so it's really doubtful they actually stole anything.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 02 août 2010 - 04:17 .

[addiction21]

Amandea wrote...

I was very disappointed when I finished Starcraft 2. I'm not sure anyone else felt it, but it felt like playing Mass Effect 1 over and over. The Protoss story was very similiar, and even many of the lines were the same too. But then again, it's not uncommon for Blizzard to steal things without even trying to hide it.

Ya because BioWare orginated the "Mysterious ancient threat is coming to destroy life as we know it" story right?

OMG Blizzard also stole the idea of guns, faster then light travel, shields, armor, and space magic from Mass Effect. DAMN THEM...

[Tirigon]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

and I'm just hoping that someone bothers to make one OTHER than DOTA.

You don´t need anything else. Hell, I bought Warcraft 3 only cos of DotA, and if SC2 has DotA, I will buy it too just for that.

[Costin_Razvan]

 

 Ya because BioWare orginated the "Mysterious ancient threat is coming to destroy life as we know it" story right?

 But it is too easy to shout that Blizzard stole the idea right?!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 août 2010 - 09:46 .

[Wiggs Magee]

Got Starcraft 2 day it came out, i didn't plan to, Didnt really seemed interested in the game. Had the spare moeny so i got it and . It is dam amazing. Brilliant game im a large fan of RTS's and this is one of favourite the many Cinematics where brilliant the inbetween mission parts were good. And the other characters added humour and good story line to it. 9/10

[DukeOfNukes]

Amandea wrote...

But then again, it's not uncommon for Blizzard to steal things without even trying to hide it.

COUGH

No, it's not Kalimdor...it's Caladan. The image is from 1999 and the Prelude to Dune trilogy.

Modifié par DukeOfNukes, 03 août 2010 - 04:39 .

[Mecha Tengu]

Sago_mulch wrote...

i heard starcraft 2 is simply a crappy, overrated rehash of the old one. i cannot trust gaming journalists because they are either indoctrinated fanboys or are being paid by activision-blizzard for their opinion.

so now i come to rely on my biowear bruthas, what is starcraft 2 like? give me a really honest review. a short one.

the story was decent, and the single player campaign was pretty good.

The greedy bastards at activision, no doubt directed by bobby kotick personally, have told Blizzard to milk sc2 into 3 seperate games, so expect to spend another $120 to get the zerg and protoss expansions. Not mentioning the abuse of the "premium" maps system where any idiot can sell his maps for money. Knowing activision, theyre probably going to release some $15 map pack DLC (sound familiar?)

the multiplayer is quite good so far. The custom map editor is amazing, and I can't wait when people from the wc3 community move over there to create new maps

[Malanek]

I was going to buy Starcraft at the weekend, walked into a gameshop and saw the pricetag of $130 NZ which is roughly $90 US. WTF??? Top games here are usually around $80-$100. It was exactly the same price at another shop. I was already a little bit iffy about the game. I use to really love RTS games (played stacks of warcraft 2) but gradually got sick of them as gameplay wise they were all effectively the same game with different units. I was wondering, is the gameplay in SC2 actually good and different from other RTS games?

[Rulian]

Well if you had played SC1 then you should already know the specific gameplay differences in the three races set it apart from all the clone & conquer games.



Ok been through the protoss mini campaign so far and I will say it felt more like a warcraft 3 fantasy opera than the scify from its predecessor.

[addiction21]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 

 Ya because BioWare orginated the "Mysterious ancient threat is coming to destroy life as we know it" story right?

 But it is too easy to shout that Blizzard stole the idea right?!

Seems like it. I remember when the first trailer for SC2 came out and it was around the same time the first Iron Man movie trailers started getting shown. Huge drama how the film creators or Blizzard stole the idea of how powered armor is put on from the other group.

Now it seems like Frank Herbert (creator/writer of Dune) was the first to discover continents and Blizzard stole that from him. Or maybe its because Caladain and Kalimidor both start with a cal/kal sound?

Rulian wrote...

Well if you had played SC1 then you should already know the specific gameplay differences in the three races set it apart from all the clone & conquer games.

Ok been through the protoss mini campaign so far and I will say it felt more like a warcraft 3 fantasy opera than the scify from its predecessor.

Pretty much. SC2 is SC1 with MORE!!!  With an added focus on the story and characters. 

Well the Protoss always felt rather fantasy like to me. The Elf like race. Well thinking about it Fantasy and SciFi is almost interchangable. Fantasy generally takes place in a earlier time period and SciFi is in the future. In fantasy all the increadible things are "magic" and SciFi science takes magics place but with the same results. Not picking a fight with you Rulian just spilling my thoughts out.

[Rulian]

The more SC comes off as fantasy then the more it comes as a DOW40k ripoff.

Modifié par Rulian, 04 août 2010 - 11:46 .