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[Wrexdot]

New info about DLC availability from Bioware Dev

http://social.biowar...dex/2004874/270

[Darth Postal]

Nice try. Good thing that my Opera shows the real link before I click it.

[amcnow]

ThemFlashlight-headedThings wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

ThemFlashlight-headedThings wrote...

The shadow broker is behind the assassination of jfk and the publius enigma.

NO U

can't prove nuthin

You didn't deny it.  That's proof enough to pwn u wit my Spectah statis. 

On Topic:  I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware released a trailer for this DLC.

[amcnow]

Wrexdot wrote...

New info about DLC availability from Bioware Dev

http://social.biowar...dex/2004874/270

U fail @ being Illusive

[Darth Postal]

I'm 99.9% sure there will be a trailer.



I'm 100% sure I will not watch it, just like I didn't watch Kasumi and Overlord trailers. I hate spoilers =)

[SovereignT]

Its already been stated there will be a trailer..

Hopefully this will put a rest to all the upheaval from the Liara fanboys and also focus more on the illuminating the Shadow broker which should be the case..

Modifié par SovereignT, 31 juillet 2010 - 06:40 .

[JaegerBane]

Darth Postal wrote...

I'm 99.9% sure there will be a trailer.

Did you know that 66% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

[JaegerBane]

Darth Postal wrote...

Nice try. Good thing that my Opera shows the real link before I click it.

Don't all web browsers show the actual link in the bottom right hand side?

[Fr3nch ToAst]

She better join my squad then all we will need is Wrex and Ashley/Kaidan

[Butters]

I think i've discovered another possible hint at a new squadmate (or i could just be looking way too far into this). Has anyone ever noticed that during a fight, if you press shift (don't know what it is for 360) and you see your squadmate's powers, there are 4 slots. I was just wondering why they would but 4 slots of every squad member only has 3 actives and a passive? Maybe there will be a squadmate with 4 actives?

[Darth Postal]

JaegerBane wrote...

Darth Postal wrote...

Nice try. Good thing that my Opera shows the real link before I click it.

Don't all web browsers show the actual link in the bottom right hand side?

Opera shows it right near cursor. Don't need to look at the bottom

[KainrycKarr]

Butters wrote...

I think i've discovered another possible hint at a new squadmate (or i could just be looking way too far into this). Has anyone ever noticed that during a fight, if you press shift (don't know what it is for 360) and you see your squadmate's powers, there are 4 slots. I was just wondering why they would but 4 slots of every squad member only has 3 actives and a passive? Maybe there will be a squadmate with 4 actives?

Yea, looking way too far into that.

[zazei]

While this sounds great I'll wouldn't be surprised at all if this DLC will be the last we see of Liara. I'm somewhat afraid they either use it to kill her off or make sure she is unavaliable for ME3. Hopefully I'm wrong though. ^^

[EatChildren]

zazei wrote...

While this sounds great I'll wouldn't be surprised at all if this DLC will be the last we see of Liara. I'm somewhat afraid they either use it to kill her off or make sure she is unavaliable for ME3. Hopefully I'm wrong though. ^^

I dont expect this DLC to kill her off or remove her from the picture, but I dont think Liara will become a squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect 2 set the stage for maturing and developing Liara's character, and I think this DLC will continue that. Much like many of Shepard's decisions help set up other characters and races outside of her/his personal army, I think Liara will be developed into a force of her own, at least to some degree.

So, when Mass Effect 3 comes around, Liara wont so much as be a companion to Shepard as she will be a valuable ally. Similar to the Rachni (assuming you let the queen live), and the decisions on the whole Quarian Vs. Geth thing, Liara will play a significant role as an ally in the finale battle against the Reapers.

Liara fanboys obviously wont like it, but I just dont see her becoming a squadmate for ME3. Same for Ashley/Kaiden and Wrex. The most likely canidates for a return are Tali and Garrus again, and even then I'm skeptical they will be squadmates. I wouldnt be surprised if ME3 was a whole new cast, with returning squadmates instead joining the Normandy.

/end tangent

[Impactisan]

I cant stop thinking about some things about Liara. She established great connections as a broker in TWO years...Thas must be good somehow. Or she probably has a great talent for it.



This Shadow Broker thing, reminds me a little of storys made before.

Removing such a powerful beeing as the SB, will have conciquenses. The galaxy relies on him for information, all sorts of info actually. And what have we learned after Me1 and Me2?

That Information is power.

Im afraid to say that Liara might need to take the SBs position to maintain the stability in the galaxy that SB is actually giving.

[FenrisDeSolar]

EatChildren wrote...

zazei wrote...

While this sounds great I'll wouldn't be surprised at all if this DLC will be the last we see of Liara. I'm somewhat afraid they either use it to kill her off or make sure she is unavaliable for ME3. Hopefully I'm wrong though. ^^

I dont expect this DLC to kill her off or remove her from the picture, but I dont think Liara will become a squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect 2 set the stage for maturing and developing Liara's character, and I think this DLC will continue that. Much like many of Shepard's decisions help set up other characters and races outside of her/his personal army, I think Liara will be developed into a force of her own, at least to some degree.

So, when Mass Effect 3 comes around, Liara wont so much as be a companion to Shepard as she will be a valuable ally. Similar to the Rachni (assuming you let the queen live), and the decisions on the whole Quarian Vs. Geth thing, Liara will play a significant role as an ally in the finale battle against the Reapers.

Liara fanboys obviously wont like it, but I just dont see her becoming a squadmate for ME3. Same for Ashley/Kaiden and Wrex. The most likely canidates for a return are Tali and Garrus again, and even then I'm skeptical they will be squadmates. I wouldnt be surprised if ME3 was a whole new cast, with returning squadmates instead joining the Normandy.

/end tangent

I think you're right. I  think this DLC will turn Liara into an entity more than a character. I'm just wondering if there will be a chance at furthering your romance with her, if you had one with her in ME1 and you've stayed loyal to her. Or simply not cheated yet. 

In all honesty though, I really hope the VS gets some DLC too. It f**king sucks that Bioware are pretending like they never happened... ¬_¬

[LPPrince]

Here's the thing-



A. Shadow Broker dies/Liara takes its place-



Liara is going to be WAY too busy to be on the squad in ME3, unless Bioware decides to find some way to get her on the squad.



B. Shadow Broker escapes and makes it to ME3-



Shadow Broker does what it does, helps us from afar, and Liara can still be on our squad.



I prefer B way over A.

[The BS Police]

EatChildren wrote...
I dont expect this DLC to kill her off or remove her from the picture, but I dont think Liara will become a squadmate in Mass Effect 3.

Why not?

Mass Effect 2 set the stage for maturing and developing Liara's character, and I think this DLC will continue that. Much like many of Shepard's decisions help set up other characters and races outside of her/his personal army, I think Liara will be developed into a force of her own, at least to some degree.

By character development you mean throwing consistency out the window and giving those characters bad reasons for not joining the crew or even giving us any real support (with the exception of Wrex).

So, when Mass Effect 3 comes around, Liara wont so much as be a companion to Shepard as she will be a valuable ally. Similar to the Rachni (assuming you let the queen live), and the decisions on the whole Quarian Vs. Geth thing, Liara will play a significant role as an ally in the finale battle against the Reapers.

Liara fanboys obviously wont like it, but I just dont see her becoming a squadmate for ME3. Same for Ashley/Kaiden and Wrex. The most likely canidates for a return are Tali and Garrus again, and even then I'm skeptical they will be squadmates. I wouldnt be surprised if ME3 was a whole new cast, with returning squadmates instead joining the Normandy.

/end tangent

So Liara is the only squadmate garanteed to be alive in Mass Effect 3 and yet you think Garus and Tali have a better chance to be possible squadmates even though they can die in the second game? Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree.

Please Note: I want Garrus and Tali to return as squadmates aswell.

Modifié par The BS Police, 31 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[EatChildren]

The BS Police wrote...

By character development you mean throwing consistency out the window and giving those characters bad reasons for not joining the crew or even giving us any real support (with the exception of Wrex).

Liara had no consistency beyond being a young girl infauated with Shepard and the Protheans. She even specifies that, by her race standards, she is barely a teenager (or something along those lines). You're obviously a Liara fan, and I mean no offense, but pretty much every argument I've heard for Liara's supposed established character stems from people who just wanted her to pop up as a squadmate in Mass Effect 2, or became extremely attached to her romance, and were bitterly disappointed none of these were realised.

She could have been handled better in Mass Effect 2, but it was nowhere near as bad as some made it out to be. It was two years. She founds Shepard's body, and she moved on like everybody else. Tali moved on. Garrus moved on. Wrex moved on. Ashley/Kaiden moved on. Tali and Garrus only joined up because Cerberus wanted it.

And again I must stress that it was two years. Liara had to do something for two years, especially  considered she was not totally sure Shepard would be revived. Rather than dwell on a corpse, she moved on like the others, and spent those two years doing what is hardly surprising; living, and seeking revenge on someone who wished to exploit and defile Shepard's body to their enemies.

So Liara is the only squadmate garanteed to be alive in Mass Effect 3 and yet you think Garus and Tali have a better chance to be possible squadmates even though they can die in the second game? Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree.

This is actually a good point, but its one side of an argument that has another side equally as valuable.

One could easily argue just that. Liara is the only character guarentied to survive, she played a significant role in Mass Effect, and its 'her turn' to return as a squadmate. She'd be a great fit to return in Mass Effect 3 and rejoin Shepard's squad.

On the other hand, Tali and Garrus are arguably the two most popular compains from Mass Effect (at least, Tali is), and made a return in Mass Effect 2, giving them a significant amount of screen time, character depth, and relation to the overall plot. In fact, outside of Shepard herself/hiself, Tali and Garrus are the two most prominent characters in the entire game. If any squadmates across borth games have built up a strong relationship with Shepard as well as a huge fanbase, its Tali and Garrus.

And I say this not being on any particular side, or trying to attack any character, or any fanbase. I just, personally, dont see Liara being developed into a squadmate for Mass Effect 2. I expect BioWare to develop her into an ally character that maybe offers services or something, but not a squadmate. On the same note, I dont expect Tali or Garrus to return as squadmates either, due to the difficulties of the suicide mission relative to impact on development.

I could be completely wrong and I make no assertions with my posts. They are, after all, just opinions. Its not even an outcome I would necessarily prefer. Its just how I think things will go.

Chill.

Modifié par EatChildren, 31 juillet 2010 - 09:43 .

[Burningwolf]

Well remeber they did say,your performance(eg how many people stayed alive throughout)mattered.



Wrex gets replaced in the second game if you let him die(or did default playthrough)



Will be intereting to see what the *default* is for me 3 .



Only one I really dont see being in me 3 is wrex(playable)They definately built him into the ally/supporter role...if hes still alive.Which by default im sure he will be dead.



They put way to much import into keeping people alive to go and pull the rug out with another team..*shrugs* but with the way EA is running things know who knows.

[EatChildren]

Burningwolf wrote...

They put way to much import into keeping people alive to go and pull the rug out with another team..*shrugs* but with the way EA is running things know who knows.

Can the EA hate. EA have absolutely nothing to do with any of these issues.

[Unit-Alpha]

EatChildren wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

By character development you mean throwing consistency out the window and giving those characters bad reasons for not joining the crew or even giving us any real support (with the exception of Wrex).

Liara had no consistency beyond being a young girl infauated with Shepard and the Protheans. She even specifies that, by her race standards, she is barely a teenager (or something along those lines). You're obviously a Liara fan, and I mean no offense, but pretty much every argument I've heard for Liara's supposed established character stems from people who just wanted her to pop up as a squadmate in Mass Effect 2, or became extremely attached to her romance, and were bitterly disappointed none of these were realised.

She could have been handled better in Mass Effect 2, but it was nowhere near as bad as some made it out to be. It was two years. She founds Shepard's body, and she moved on like everybody else. Tali moved on. Garrus moved on. Wrex moved on. Ashley/Kaiden moved on. Tali and Garrus only joined up because Cerberus wanted it.

And again I must stress that it was two years. Liara had to do something for two years, especially  considered she was not totally sure Shepard would be revived. Rather than dwell on a corpse, she moved on like the others, and spent those two years doing what is hardly surprising; living, and seeking revenge on someone who wished to exploit and defile Shepard's body to their enemies.

So Liara is the only squadmate garanteed to be alive in Mass Effect 3 and yet you think Garus and Tali have a better chance to be possible squadmates even though they can die in the second game? Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree.

This is actually a good point, but its one side of an argument that has another side equally as valuable.

One could easily argue just that. Liara is the only character guarentied to survive, she played a significant role in Mass Effect, and its 'her turn' to return as a squadmate. She'd be a great fit to return in Mass Effect 3 and rejoin Shepard's squad.

On the other hand, Tali and Garrus are arguably the two most popular compains from Mass Effect (at least, Tali is), and made a return in Mass Effect 2, giving them a significant amount of screen time, character depth, and relation to the overall plot. In fact, outside of Shepard herself/hiself, Tali and Garrus are the two most prominent characters in the entire game. If any squadmates across borth games have built up a strong relationship with Shepard as well as a huge fanbase, its Tali and Garrus.

And I say this not being on any particular side, or trying to attack any character, or any fanbase. I just, personally, dont see Liara being developed into a squadmate for Mass Effect 2. I expect BioWare to develop her into an ally character that maybe offers services or something, but not a squadmate. On the same note, I dont expect Tali or Garrus to return as squadmates either, due to the difficulties of the suicide mission relative to impact on development.

I could be completely wrong and I make no assertions with my posts. They are, after all, just opinions. Its not even an outcome I would necessarily prefer. Its just how I think things will go.

Chill.

No, Liara is much more likely to return than Tali or Garrus. Moreover, Miranda, as the character with the highest level of appeal among mainstream players (not the Talimancer-infested land that is BW forums), is more likely as well. 

Observe this post I put up a while ago detailing why Liara is perhaps the most likely to return.

So here's my comprehensive list of reasons:

ME1: Storyline
>Receives an entire mission world (Therum) as one of the six mission worlds; only squadmate with this distinction.
>Directly tied to a second mission world (Noveria) by Benezia
>>Therefore, 1/3 of missions were tied to Liara
>Longest love scene

Writing/Voice Acting
>Only character with alternate dialog based on when she/he is recruited
>Most poignant scenes of any squadmate (see Benezia) (Subjective to a point)
>Only squadmate with completely unique and dialog tree-changing dialog during a mission (Noveria)
>Only squadmate with heavy post-mission dialog (See post-Noveria)
(Subjective, Jayla points out that if you recruit her at the end, you
don't receive the post-Noveria dialog)
>Note dialog similarities with Bastila in KOTOR

Technical
>Best facial graphics for alien race characters (pretty objective, see
resolution of her facial textures in comparison with Garrus in ME1)
>Most unique dialog animations (See dialog on Normandy/post-mission briefs)
>Most artistic and unique love scene
>>Introduction of new particle system, artistic flourishes

Other
>Most easily accessible within Normandy, indicates that devs wanted easy access
>>No elevator connection
>>Please note: Kaiden was also easily accessible
>Only squadmate with a separate room
>Closest locker if coming from the elevator

ME2: Storyline
>Only former squadmate with devoted area (Office on Illium)
>>Wrex had a throne, Ash/Kaiden had nothing
>Only former squadmate with any missions
>Only invincible squadmate

Writing/Voice Acting
>Some of the most well-delivered lines of ME2 (subjective/evidence of repeated attempts in VA sessions as emotions take time to propagate)
>Most dialog of any former squadmate

Technical
>Some of the best camera work for an NPC (Subjective to a point)
>Most devoted in-game assets for a former squadmate

Other
>Redemption comic with the most focus being put on Liara, bar none
>Redemption graphic novel as second release of comic
>Only previously recruited character with DLC specifically devoted to her

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:19 .

[Kamik6555]

Any news about central Europe?

[EatChildren]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

No, Liara is much more likely to return than Tali or Garrus. Moreover, Miranda, as the character with the highest level of appeal among mainstream players (not the Talimancer-infested land that is BW forums), is more likely as well. 

Observe this post I put up a while ago detailing why Liara is perhaps the most likely to return.

You do realise your logic could be readily applied, almost word for word, to both Tali and Garrus, right? Your list reads far more like a Liara love-letter than any valued or substantial evidence to suggest she will return in Mass Effect 3 as a squadmate, at least no moreso than a number of other characters.

Say what you will. I'd like her to return but I still dont think she will, and the same goes for Garrus and Tali.

EDIT: Actually, for your list, I've taken the liberty to bold everything that is subjective to taste,  absurd to mention, or outright false.

So here's my comprehensive list of reasons:

ME1: Storyline
>Receives an entire mission world (Therum) as one of the six mission worlds; only squadmate with this distinction.
>Directly tied to a second mission world (Noveria) by Benezia
>>Therefore, 1/3 of missions were tied to Liara
>Longest love scene

Writing/Voice Acting
>Only character with alternate dialog based on when she/he is recruited
>Most poignant scenes of any squadmate (see Benezia) (Subjective to a point)
>Only squadmate with completely unique and dialog tree-changing dialog during a mission (Noveria)
>Only squadmate with heavy post-mission dialog (See post-Noveria)
(Subjective, Jayla points out that if you recruit her at the end, you
don't receive the post-Noveria dialog)
>Note dialog similarities with Bastila in KOTOR

Technical
>Best facial graphics for alien race characters (pretty objective, see
resolution of her facial textures in comparison with Garrus in ME1)
>Most unique dialog animations (See dialog on Normandy/post-mission briefs)
>Most artistic and unique love scene
>>Introduction of new particle system, artistic flourishes

Other
>Most easily accessible within Normandy, indicates that devs wanted easy access
>>No elevator connection
>>Please note: Kaiden was also easily accessible
>Only squadmate with a separate room
>Closest locker if coming from the elevator

ME2: Storyline
>Only former squadmate with devoted area (Office on Illium)
>>Wrex had a throne, Ash/Kaiden had nothing
>Only former squadmate with any missions
>Only invincible squadmate

Writing/Voice Acting
>Some
of the most well-delivered lines of ME2 (subjective/evidence of
repeated attempts in VA sessions as emotions take time to propagate)
>Most dialog of any former squadmate

Technical
[b]>Some of the best camera work for an NPC (Subjective to a point)
>Most devoted in-game assets for a former squadmate

Other
>Redemption comic with the most focus being put on Liara, bar none
[b]>Redemption graphic novel as second release of comic
>Only previously recruited character with DLC specifically devoted to her

Modifié par EatChildren, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:32 .