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[Shadow_broker]

Armistices banes is more likley The Illusive man...I really doubt the shadow broker is human considerings he was around PRE first contact



It's Liaras dad Agree with me or i will slap you

[MassEffect762]

Shadow_broker wrote...



It's Liaras dad......

That thought crossed my mind earlier while replaying ME1, would make for an odd/interesting twist.

[Shadow_broker]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...



It's Liaras dad......

That thought crossed my mind earlier while replaying ME1, would make for an odd/interesting twist.

Exactly! People just write it off cause something similar happend in star wars, everything simply points to liaras dad
Banes is a good guess but shadow broker is almost certainly not human unless there are multiple shadow brokers(but him ending up being TIM sounds plausible)
The only thing going against Liaras dad is the holo in comic BUT since he wouldn't want liara to know her idenity would probaly use a distorted image or had someone else pose to throw her off her trail

[Narosian]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Armistices banes is more likley The Illusive man...I really doubt the shadow broker is human considerings he was around PRE first contact

It's Liaras dad Agree with me or i will slap you

your the shadow broker and you know.  It does say so in your name after all.

[DarkSeraphym]

Armistan Banes is definitely The Illusive Man. After reading theories that Zulu_DFA posted a couple of months ago on what evidence or just weird coincidences there are behind Cerberus still being a part of the Alliance, I am convinced that in Mass Effect 3 we are going to find out Armistan Banes is The Illusive Man.

As for her father being the Shadow Broker, I want to say that I disagree, but BioWare loves their plot twists and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what they decide to do. However, I think it is far more likely that the Shadow Broker is either some form of AI (I did read a theory a couple of months ago on this very site that the Shadow Broker could be an AI created by the Reapers to gather intelligence on all of the species) or a group of people. Though, BioWare does like their plot twists so it wouldn't surprise me if they go with her father.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 08 août 2010 - 02:08 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

SpectreWarden91 wrote...

Just found this article.  Theres not any new info though.../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png I thought I should go ahead and post it.


www.darkhorse.com/Blog/69/questions-unanswered-mass-effect-2-lair-shadow-bro

My money is still on the answer to the last two questions being the same. Yes, I do indeed think that Feron is the Shadow Broker.

[EAT1]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! THE SHADOW BROKER IS A RACHNI QUEEN!!!!!!!!

[DarkSeraphym]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

SpectreWarden91 wrote...

Just found this article.  Theres not any new info though.../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png I thought I should go ahead and post it.


www.darkhorse.com/Blog/69/questions-unanswered-mass-effect-2-lair-shadow-bro

My money is still on the answer to the last two questions being the same. Yes, I do indeed think that Feron is the Shadow Broker.

It is a possibility and as I mentioned before, BioWare seems to enjoy a good twist whenever the opportunity arises. However, I will have to forestall an opinion on this idea other than the fact that it is possible mostly because the best piece of evidence you have to support the theory is the fact that the machine in the comic drawing looks like a lot like a drell. Its evidence and after you mentioned it I did take notice that the machine not only looks like a drell, but has its arms folded the exact same way behind its back that Thane likes to do. However, it's still very circumstancial.

I do agree that they will probably make the Shadow Broker be something that is going to hit closer to home for Shepard. It'll either be someone that has a direct connection the story in some manner, as opposed to some random character we haven't even met, or some intelligence front created by the Reapers in order to keep a closer eye on organic life.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 08 août 2010 - 02:19 .

[Shadow_broker]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Armistan Banes is definitely The Illusive Man. After reading theories that Zulu_DFA posted a couple of months ago on what evidence or just weird coincidences there are behind Cerberus still being a part of the Alliance, I am convinced that in Mass Effect 3 we are going to find out Armistan Banes is The Illusive Man.

As for her father being the Shadow Broker, I want to say that I disagree, but BioWare loves their plot twists and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what they decide to do. However, I think it is far more likely that the Shadow Broker is either some form of AI (I did read a theory a couple of months ago on this very site that the Shadow Broker could be an AI created by the Reapers to gather intelligence on all of the species) or a group of people. Though, BioWare does like their plot twists so it wouldn't surprise me if they go with her father.

An AI or group of people is SOOO predictable though Today is the first time i heard of Liaras dad theory and it makes alot of sense,  If it was an AI reaper why would it betray Saren? And a group of people couldn't possibly work, it may have started that way but one by one they would kill eachother they are criminals afterall

Btw I follow through on my threats *slap* GOOD DAY SIR

Modifié par Shadow_broker, 08 août 2010 - 02:41 .

[Shadow_broker]

Narosian wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Armistices banes is more likley The Illusive man...I really doubt the shadow broker is human considerings he was around PRE first contact

It's Liaras dad Agree with me or i will slap you

your the shadow broker and you know.  It does say so in your name after all.

Got amnesia...It's up to me to solve my idenity and piece this puzzle together!

[Zaknaberrnon]

dude, it's obvious. shadow broker is Wrex.

apart from the fact that he has his avatar as a pic of himself,

krogan live as long as asari do. plus wrex supposedly 'was hired by the shadow broker' in me1 to kill fist. the shadow broker doesn't hire people. HE DUZ TEH KILLIN PERSSONALLY.

[ThemFlashlight-headedThings]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

dude, it's obvious. shadow broker is Wrex.
apart from the fact that he has his avatar as a pic of himself,
krogan live as long as asari do. plus wrex supposedly 'was hired by the shadow broker' in me1 to kill fist. the shadow broker doesn't hire people. HE DUZ TEH KILLIN PERSSONALLY.

And he cloned himself so if he died in combat he could just move into that clone body like emporer palpatine. There, another loophole solved

Modifié par ThemFlashlight-headedThings, 08 août 2010 - 03:08 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Armistan Banes is definitely The Illusive Man. After reading theories that Zulu_DFA posted a couple of months ago on what evidence or just weird coincidences there are behind Cerberus still being a part of the Alliance, I am convinced that in Mass Effect 3 we are going to find out Armistan Banes is The Illusive Man.

As for her father being the Shadow Broker, I want to say that I disagree, but BioWare loves their plot twists and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what they decide to do. However, I think it is far more likely that the Shadow Broker is either some form of AI (I did read a theory a couple of months ago on this very site that the Shadow Broker could be an AI created by the Reapers to gather intelligence on all of the species) or a group of people. Though, BioWare does like their plot twists so it wouldn't surprise me if they go with her father.

An AI or group of people is SOOO predictable though Today is the first time i heard of Liaras dad theory and it makes alot of sense,  If it was an AI reaper why would it betray Saren? And a group of people couldn't possibly work, it may have started that way but one by one they would kill eachother they are criminals afterall

Btw I follow through on my threats *slap* GOOD DAY SIR

The Shadow Broker didn't betray Saren, Fist did. Fist was in the employ of the Shadow Broker but betrayed it in favor of giving the information Tali had to Saren. The Shadow Broker was upset that Fist betrayed it, so it hired Wrex to destroy Fist. Fist had already made arrangements for the data to be sent to Saren by the time the Shadow Broker was even able to put a hit out on Wrex, so if the Shadow Broker was a VI/AI by the Reapers there is a chance it would have put the hit out on Fist simply because Fist forgot where his loyalties are. The Reapers aren't known for returning loyalty either way, if Fist had given the information to Saren then Saren would have ultimately brought about his death when Sovereign unleashed hell on the Citadel and allowed the Reapers to jump out of dark space so it's theoretically possible that the Shadow Broker, if a Reaper VI/AI, would have just done the same.

As for it being a group of people, criminal networks only care about two things: making money and making more of it as quickly as possible. If a group of people running the show increase the efficiency of the organization developing network connections, criminals are going to do whatever it takes to do it. Sure, they could have killed each other once the organization came together but unless you are willing to take the loss of network connections as a result of that, it's not the most prudent choice.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 08 août 2010 - 03:15 .

[The BS Police]

Armistan Banes is dead, Anderson and Kahoku confirmed that in ME1.

[Shadow_broker]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Armistan Banes is definitely The Illusive Man. After reading theories that Zulu_DFA posted a couple of months ago on what evidence or just weird coincidences there are behind Cerberus still being a part of the Alliance, I am convinced that in Mass Effect 3 we are going to find out Armistan Banes is The Illusive Man.

As for her father being the Shadow Broker, I want to say that I disagree, but BioWare loves their plot twists and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what they decide to do. However, I think it is far more likely that the Shadow Broker is either some form of AI (I did read a theory a couple of months ago on this very site that the Shadow Broker could be an AI created by the Reapers to gather intelligence on all of the species) or a group of people. Though, BioWare does like their plot twists so it wouldn't surprise me if they go with her father.

An AI or group of people is SOOO predictable though Today is the first time i heard of Liaras dad theory and it makes alot of sense,  If it was an AI reaper why would it betray Saren? And a group of people couldn't possibly work, it may have started that way but one by one they would kill eachother they are criminals afterall

Btw I follow through on my threats *slap* GOOD DAY SIR

The Shadow Broker didn't betray Saren, Fist did. Fist was in the employ of the Shadow Broker but betrayed it in favor of giving the information Tali had to Saren. The Shadow Broker was upset that Fist betrayed it, so it hired Wrex to destroy Fist. Fist had already made arrangements for the data to be sent to Saren by the time the Shadow Broker was even able to put a hit out on Wrex, so if the Shadow Broker was a VI/AI by the Reapers there is a chance it would have put the hit out on Fist simply because Fist forgot where his loyalties are.

As for it being a group of people, criminal networks only care about two things: making money and making more of it as quickly as possible. If a group of people running the show increase the efficiency of the organization developing network connections, criminals are going to do whatever it takes to do it. Sure, they could have killed each other once the organization came together but unless you are willing to take the loss of network connections as a result of that, it's not the most prudent choice.

Couldn't someone part of the group kill eachother and steal the others info for more profits rather than sharing it 6 or more ways seems very uncriminal to have a group of equals to me,

AI still too predictable would be horribly anti climatic (we just had overlord AI thing too)

Both would also have killed liara by now, she's no samara(the most powerful criminal isn't going to just let one asari endanger his identity) you could argue nyxseris but she would have just killed her in the first place if this was some criminal with no connection to liara, it seems more likley she was just giving updates to the broker
would be complaining ASAP if eithier of these were the shadow brokers identity

[DarkSeraphym]

The BS Police wrote...

Armistan Banes is dead, Anderson and Kahoku confirmed that in ME1.

As far as I recall, Anderson and Kahoku confirmed that Banes had died only because Kahoku's men had discovered Bane's body and transmitted that information back to Kahoku. However, the body was never recovered and Kahoku's men were killed in that Thresher Maw lure, which then tied into Kahoku getting involved in the Hades' Dog missions.

Besides, if you feel like conducting an interesting read by looking into Zulu's post, he does mention that the way Anderson responds to Cerberus probably means that the vast majority of all but the top of military division of the Systems Alliance is even aware that Cerberus and the Alliance are still working together.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 08 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Armistan Banes is definitely The Illusive Man. After reading theories that Zulu_DFA posted a couple of months ago on what evidence or just weird coincidences there are behind Cerberus still being a part of the Alliance, I am convinced that in Mass Effect 3 we are going to find out Armistan Banes is The Illusive Man.

As for her father being the Shadow Broker, I want to say that I disagree, but BioWare loves their plot twists and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what they decide to do. However, I think it is far more likely that the Shadow Broker is either some form of AI (I did read a theory a couple of months ago on this very site that the Shadow Broker could be an AI created by the Reapers to gather intelligence on all of the species) or a group of people. Though, BioWare does like their plot twists so it wouldn't surprise me if they go with her father.

An AI or group of people is SOOO predictable though Today is the first time i heard of Liaras dad theory and it makes alot of sense,  If it was an AI reaper why would it betray Saren? And a group of people couldn't possibly work, it may have started that way but one by one they would kill eachother they are criminals afterall

Btw I follow through on my threats *slap* GOOD DAY SIR

The Shadow Broker didn't betray Saren, Fist did. Fist was in the employ of the Shadow Broker but betrayed it in favor of giving the information Tali had to Saren. The Shadow Broker was upset that Fist betrayed it, so it hired Wrex to destroy Fist. Fist had already made arrangements for the data to be sent to Saren by the time the Shadow Broker was even able to put a hit out on Wrex, so if the Shadow Broker was a VI/AI by the Reapers there is a chance it would have put the hit out on Fist simply because Fist forgot where his loyalties are.

As for it being a group of people, criminal networks only care about two things: making money and making more of it as quickly as possible. If a group of people running the show increase the efficiency of the organization developing network connections, criminals are going to do whatever it takes to do it. Sure, they could have killed each other once the organization came together but unless you are willing to take the loss of network connections as a result of that, it's not the most prudent choice.

Couldn't someone part of the group kill eachother and steal the others info for more profits rather than sharing it 6 or more ways seems very uncriminal to have a group of equals to me,

AI still too predictable would be horribly anti climatic (we just had overlord AI thing too)

Both would also have killed liara by now, she's no samara(the most powerful criminal isn't going to just let one asari endanger his identity) you could argue nyxseris but she would have just killed her in the first place if this was some criminal with no connection to liara, it seems more likley she was just giving updates to the broker
would be complaining ASAP if eithier of these were the shadow brokers identity

I agree, it would be very anticlimatic and I'm hoping that won't be the case but just like you, I'm listing theoretical possibilities with respect to what Mass Effect's overall premise is.

Likewise, there is no information in the game relating to why Nyxeris didn't kill her. We can't assume simply because she didn't that she has some sort of relevation that caused her not to do it. What is far more likely is Nyxeris was probably not only hired to kill Liara, but also to spy on her and see what kind of networks and avenues Liara was willing to use to find him, that way he could sort out more traitors from his own network. It's likely that Nyxeris simply didn't kill Liara because until Shepard came along, not much seems to have come out of her investigation on the Shadow Broker. Liara's death is not nearly as valuable to someone in the Shadow Broker's position as the knowledge of who is selling him out. Let's face it, Liara is going to have a VERY hard time finding this guy if people in his network, those with the most information, aren't talking. Time and the information she actually comes by is rather irrelevant if the Shadow Broker is confidant that Nyxeris will just kill her anyways.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 08 août 2010 - 03:49 .

[IntrepidProdigy]

I don't know about liara's mom being the SB. After hearing someone else bring it up, I agree and think the most likely candidate for Liara's mom is the asari bartender on Illium. She speaks of previously being with a pure blood, but said that it didn't work out, she rants and has spite specifically toward Benezia from what she did with Saren. Plus she's also a matriarch.

[EatChildren]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

I don't know about liara's mom being the SB. After hearing someone else bring it up, I agree and think the most likely candidate for Liara's mom is the asari bartender on Illium. She speaks of previously being with a pure blood, but said that it didn't work out, she rants and has spite specifically toward Benezia from what she did with Saren. Plus she's also a matriarch.

I dont think we've met Liara's dad. Probably wont either. I'm not of the mindset that everybody you meet in Mass Effect is somehow connected. Aethrya or whatever her name was just seemed to be another aspect of Mass Effect 2 that servered the purpose of deconstructing the romaticism of the first game. She's the evidence that the oh-so-mystical Asari and their wonderous matriarch stage doesn't really guarenty a happy, forfilling future.

[IntrepidProdigy]

EatChildren wrote...

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

I don't know about liara's mom being the SB. After hearing someone else bring it up, I agree and think the most likely candidate for Liara's mom is the asari bartender on Illium. She speaks of previously being with a pure blood, but said that it didn't work out, she rants and has spite specifically toward Benezia from what she did with Saren. Plus she's also a matriarch.

I dont think we've met Liara's dad. Probably wont either. I'm not of the mindset that everybody you meet in Mass Effect is somehow connected. Aethrya or whatever her name was just seemed to be another aspect of Mass Effect 2 that servered the purpose of deconstructing the romaticism of the first game. She's the evidence that the oh-so-mystical Asari and their wonderous matriarch stage doesn't really guarenty a happy, forfilling future.

That also seems more likely. Either way, I just don't see Liara's mom being the shadow broker. IMO, that would be a pretty hollow twist, and just wouldn't make much sense with what information we've been given in both games.

[EatChildren]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

That also seems more likely. Either way, I just don't see Liara's mom being the shadow broker. IMO, that would be a pretty hollow twist, and just wouldn't make much sense with what information we've been given in both games.

Agreed. I hope it's someone new, and I hope to hell its not a human, or an AI, though would happily take the latter over the former.

[IntrepidProdigy]

EatChildren wrote...

Agreed. I hope it's someone new, and I hope to hell its not a human, or an AI, though would happily take the latter over the former.

I just hope it's consistent with the information we've been given about the SB thus far. I don't want another "terminator" twist... figuratively speaking.

[UltmtBiz]

It's the Consort, Sha'ira

[PWENER]

BW knows best, but it's a DLC, so I don't expect a big twist or such. I do hope it's someone new and not some stupid rip-off character we've already seen or heard about. Hell, we may not even get to see him or fight him in the DLC. It's a DLC people, there may be people who import to ME3 without playing it, and meeting the Shadow Broker is a pretty big deal in my book. I think he escapes or something and we meet him in ME3 as one of the game's major enemies. That would be more linear and story friendly then importing to ME3 with the Shadow Broker alive and kicking... HELLO, his a major villain, he can't be allowed to live and mess up Shepard's mission in saving the galaxy, he works for the freaking Reapers, and what is the point of killing him now on DLC if I can kill him in ME3 as a more decorated bad guy, and not with: "Hey Shep, TIM here, found the Shadow Broker, wanna take him out for no reason at all?" (since we can get the mission before Liara tells Shepard about the Shadow Broker trying to sell him to the collectors).

That wouldn't make any sense.

Modifié par PWENER, 08 août 2010 - 06:31 .

[EatChildren]

PWENER wrote...

BW knows best, but it's a DLC, so I don't expect a big twist or such. I do hope it's someone new and not some stupid rip-off character we've already seen or heard about. Hell, we may not even get to see him or fight him in the DLC. It's a DLC people, there may be people who import to ME3 without playing it, and meeting the Shadow Broker is a pretty big deal in my book. I think he escapes or something and we meet him in ME3 as one of the game's major enemies. That would be more linear and story friendly then importing to ME3 with the Shadow Broker alive and kicking... HELLO, his a major villain, he can't be allowed to live and mess up Shepard's mission in saving the galaxy, he works for the freaking Reapers, and what is the point of killing him now on DLC if I can kill him in ME3 as a more decorated bad guy, and not with: "Hey Shep, TIM here, found the Shadow Broker, wanna take him out for no reason at all (since we can get the mission before Liara tells Shepard about the Shadow Broker trying to sell him to the collectors?".

That wouldn't make any sense.

$10 says that the Shadow Broker DLC starts exactly like that; an email from TIM saying that Cerberus has found his/her/its location, and to use the information as you will (aka: go tell Liara, go on quest).