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[BinJuice82]

Is there any proof that The Illusive Man and the Shadowbroker are not one and the same?

[CastorKrieg]

demersel wrote...

Most likely it's not the gameplay expirience, but the means of payment for DLC. I suspect that in those countries you can't buy Ms boints online, they might not have windows LIVE support, and the the only way to acquire points is most likely through buying 1600 points packs through retailer shops. There might be an issue with those retailers. So really the main question is will this be a matter of localised version incapability, or a simply ip block regionwise. If first -the issue is techical, if second - the issue is financial. Mind you, in any case there is base for law suits - the game was marketed as crossplatform expirience with a constant flow of post launch downloadable content.

The system of payment didn't change, the same with XBL - Microsoft unofficially encourages Polish players to set up XBL accounts using fake information, otherwise they won't spend any money at all for DLC, Arcade games, etc. This unofficial system was working rather well for 5 years now.

On PC this was never a problem - I run ME2 on a PC and I have no problem buying Bioware points through Bioware website using PayPal as payment method.


As somebody pointed out - the issue with English DLC was not perfect but working in the past. Now they word it like even English DLC is not an option, in order to maintain "player experience". I'm puzzled how much of a tool you have to be to come up with the idea, that no DLC is better than non-localised DLC. Are we some sort of language purists, where our brains explode at mere mention of foreign language?

Anyway, there will be plenty of ways to resolve the situation, just some of them not pleasant for Bioware. Can't wait till they start complaining about PC markert being in decline.

[Zackr43l]

demersel wrote...

Most likely it's not the gameplay expirience, but the means of payment for DLC. I suspect that in those countries you can't buy Ms boints online, they might not have windows LIVE support, and the the only way to acquire points is most likely through buying 1600 points packs through retailer shops. There might be an issue with those retailers. So really the main question is will this be a matter of localised version incapability, or a simply ip block regionwise. If first -the issue is techical, if second - the issue is financial. Mind you, in any case there is base for law suits - the game was marketed as crossplatform expirience with a constant flow of post launch downloadable content.

for your info. i can buy points online. greetings from poland!

[xxSW3trxx]

Naraxel wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I wanted to give a bit more insight into the Polish, Czech and Hungarian builds for our fans.

Believe me, we tried to make it work for these languages. DA was able to release English DLC for these localized versions of the game, but that isn't the case for us. On the Mass Effect side, it isn't as simple. By allowing the players of these versions to use the English DLC, there would be large scale changes to the main-game player experience. We didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the main game, and tried to work around this in various ways. In the end, unfortunately, we were unable to come to a solution which allowed us to release this content in these territories and keep the same level of quality from the main game.

I'd like to personally apologize to anyone in these regions who are dissapointed, and please know that it wasn't an easy decision to make.

I still don't know what is the problem with this dlc, the others were fine. If you worry about my gameplay experience please don't do that, I can play with english version too.

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I am very, very disappointed [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[Behindyounow]

BinJuice82 wrote...

Is there any proof that The Illusive Man and the Shadowbroker are not one and the same?

The fact that the Shadowbroker has been working since long before Humanity even got into space. So unless Tim had a secret spaceship that he never told anyone about, he can't be the SB. Tim and the SB are also enemies in the comic.

In the comic, the SB wants to sell Shep's body to the collectors, and Tim wants to revive him. If they were both the same people, why on Earth would they be working against each other?

[Michel1986]

Babli wrote...

We don´t even need localisation. English version would be just fine for most of us. We can understand english as you can see. I really don´t know, why we can´t buy original english dlc.

Very simple

English and (for sample) Czech localisations are diffrent (spoken by diffrent actors maybe)...<_<

[Babli]

Michel1986 wrote...

Babli wrote...

We don´t even need localisation. English version would be just fine for most of us. We can understand english as you can see. I really don´t know, why we can´t buy original english dlc.

Very simple

English and (for sample) Czech localisations are diffrent (spoken by diffrent actors maybe)...<_<

No, Czech version has original english dubbing with czech subtitles

[smykulfc]

Naraxel wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I wanted to give a bit more insight into the Polish, Czech and Hungarian builds for our fans.

Believe me, we tried to make it work for these languages. DA was able to release English DLC for these localized versions of the game, but that isn't the case for us. On the Mass Effect side, it isn't as simple. By allowing the players of these versions to use the English DLC, there would be large scale changes to the main-game player experience. We didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the main game, and tried to work around this in various ways. In the end, unfortunately, we were unable to come to a solution which allowed us to release this content in these territories and keep the same level of quality from the main game.

I'd like to personally apologize to anyone in these regions who are dissapointed, and please know that it wasn't an easy decision to make.

I still don't know what is the problem with this dlc, the others were fine. If you worry about my gameplay experience please don't do that, I can play with english version too.

I'm waiting for explanation too. I bought the game in Poland, but all the time, it was english version. I don't need polish subtitles and/or polish voices. So where is the problem?

Modifié par smykulfc, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[smecky-kitteh]

OMG there was a scene with tali garrus and liara!



SQUEEEEE!!!!!!

[wickedwizzard01]

very exited about this DLC

if it is even half as good as what BW did with the DA:O Leliana DLC

it should be a very good DLC

[AkodoRyu]

xxSW3trxx wrote...

Naraxel wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I wanted to give a bit more insight into the Polish, Czech and Hungarian builds for our fans.

Believe me, we tried to make it work for these languages. DA was able to release English DLC for these localized versions of the game, but that isn't the case for us. On the Mass Effect side, it isn't as simple. By allowing the players of these versions to use the English DLC, there would be large scale changes to the main-game player experience. We didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the main game, and tried to work around this in various ways. In the end, unfortunately, we were unable to come to a solution which allowed us to release this content in these territories and keep the same level of quality from the main game.

I'd like to personally apologize to anyone in these regions who are dissapointed, and please know that it wasn't an easy decision to make.

I still don't know what is the problem with this dlc, the others were fine. If you worry about my gameplay experience please don't do that, I can play with english version too.

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I am very, very disappointed [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

What Naraxel says. I'm attached to English voiceplay in ME and ME2, I love it and I'm happy there was a solution to make English dub/sub work on PC's. Because as everyone know, there was no option to change language in game settings, and while buying the game, we were not informed/warned about it (I'm talking about Polish ver. atm).

Now I'm not really sure what to feel about it. Does this affect future DLC's? Should I already start to be sorry for the plot I willl never know unless I read wiki or something? Do already I loose some dialogue that may be influenced in ME3 by playing the plot-connecting DLC's?
Or, not to be rude, is someone trying to force us to buy another, non localised version of the game?

Dissapointment is one of the last feelings I have. It's mostly doubt now, and surely hearing "we're sorry" won't make up for this even a tiny bit.

[smykulfc]

So the whole story how Bioware cares about polish fans is really huge pile of crap?

[Boom_Headshot1337]

I'm curious, but is this DLC is not uploaded, will it cause the quest to be put in ME3?

Modifié par Boom_Headshot1337, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:35 .

[nov_pl]

smykulfc wrote...

So the whole story how Bioware cares about polish fans is really huge pile of crap?

Yeah looks like Jay Watamaniuk on Poznań Game Arena, and then Chris saying that BioWare has in Poland one of the best and most hardcore fans on the Earth was just show off...

Modifié par nov_pl, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:20 .

[wickedwizzard01]

Boom_Headshot1337 wrote...

I'm curious, but is this DLC is not uploaded, will it cause the quest to be put in ME3?

??? what quest are u talking about , ME3?? 
no it's going to be DLC 

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:44 .

[Asheer_Khan]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

Boom_Headshot1337 wrote...

I'm curious, but is this DLC is not uploaded, will it cause the quest to be put in ME3?

??? what quest are u talking about

She is wondering if lack of this DLC will affect ME 3 plot line (by the way if this is NOT hindering of players experience then i wish to known what definition of hindering players experience is in Bioware's tesaurus...<_<).

And one more thing Bioware... if you think that simple  -sorry- would be in off to get away with this then you are

****ING WRONG!!!

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:49 .

[wickedwizzard01]

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She is wondering if lack of this DLC will affect ME 3 plot line (by the way if this is NOT hindering of players experiencethen i wish to known what definition of hindering players experience is in Bioware's tesaurus...).

[/quote]

i would say no but it might in some way connect to ME3 
but i guess it's still a bit early to know anything of what will be in ME3 for sure:whistle:

[charmingcharlie]

I am glad to see that people are still rightly outraged at Biowares "solution" to the localisation problems for Poland/Hungary/Czech.  I would love to be talking about the Liara and the DLC but right now this is the most pressing issue that needs sorting out.  Bioware's solution to the problem "you aint getting the DLC" is NOT a solution it is a cop out and it is way below Biowares "standards".

As those that are affected by this have said, they would be happy to have NON-localised DLC for their game.  This obviously isn't a perfect solution but it is a better solution than not giving them the DLC at all.  I don't see any technical reason why they cannot get the non-localised DLC to work with Polish/Hungary/Czech copies.  If there is some bizarre "technical" issue as to why they can't do it then the quality standards at Bioware can't be that damn high in the first place.

It is absolutely ridiculous that Bioware think "not giving them the DLC" is an adequate solution.  If you value your good name Bioware and you value people's custom (in every country) then you will get this issue sorted so that ALL ME fans can play this DLC.

[Marcin K]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I wanted to give a bit more insight into the Polish, Czech and Hungarian builds for our fans.

Believe me, we tried to make it work for these languages. DA was able to release English DLC for these localized versions of the game, but that isn't the case for us. On the Mass Effect side, it isn't as simple. By allowing the players of these versions to use the English DLC, there would be large scale changes to the main-game player experience. We didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the main game, and tried to work around this in various ways. In the end, unfortunately, we were unable to come to a solution which allowed us to release this content in these territories and keep the same level of quality from the main game.

I'd like to personally apologize to anyone in these regions who are dissapointed, and please know that it wasn't an easy decision to make.

will that mean that players with one of mentioned countries set  in their profile won't be even able to see the DLC listed?

[Kronner]

Marcin R wrote...

will that mean that players with one of mentioned countries set  in their profile won't be even able to see the DLC listed?

Even if that was the case ( I doubt that) you could simply change it to whatever you want anyways. IP is a not issue either, free proxy can be found in few seconds.

[2kgnsiika]

Finnish ME fan here:



In the Nordic countries, hardly anything is ever localized, because a long time ago we all decided to STFU and learn English. Therefore, it's kind of hard to feel any sympathy toward you guys...

[smykulfc]

Kronner wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

will that mean that players with one of mentioned countries set  in their profile won't be even able to see the DLC listed?

Even if that was the case ( I doubt that) you could simply change it to whatever you want anyways. IP is a not issue either, free proxy can be found in few seconds.

This is not the answer. EA Poland along with Bioware should work on the solution, we (polish players) can play in original (english spoken) version, so if EA Poland don't want to translate the DLC, it can stay english. But as far as I am concerded - there is some other problem with the DLC and polish/czech/hungarian version, more sophisticated

But all of this is pure speculation until some authorities says something!

Modifié par smykulfc, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .

[Asheer_Khan]

And they want run MMO...



Whit this level of "interaction" when problems surfaced they will be pretty fast burned to the ground by furious MMO players...