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[filetemo]

I'm afraid I've found the subconscious reason why some people may not like to play as Hawke. Not by wanting to use the warden, not by being unable to choose your origin.
We're told Hawke flees Lothering and then becomes the most powerful man in Thedas.Not knowing how or why all this happens, the actual questions are these:

Why does a man who fleed from the blight DESERVE to become the most influent being on the world?
Why does a man who didn't participate in destroying the evil power who could destroy the world have a place in history higher than those who fought bravely?
Why does hawke get the glory when my warden fades silently in history books when he did no good and fleed?
Why does a man who did NOTHING to fight the archdemon have the right to shape thedas?
How I'm going to get involved with the story of a man's rise to his own power when others are doing the epic tasks at the same time?
How can I care about a man who seeks power for himself when I just took part in the story of a hero who saved the world?

At this point, and with the current information we have, these are the questions that arise to me.

[Ravenwoud]

well, the answer is simple.

we get to see WHY he becomes so important as soon we play the game ^^

Modifié par Ravenwoud, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:20 .

[Biserthebomb]

That's how the world works, my friend.

Edit:
It has been said that history is written by the winners; those who survive.

And it is ok if you cannot find respect for Hawke, but it is imperative that you pay respects to the beard.

Modifié par Biserthebomb, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:14 .

[Grommash94]

Blights aren't the most important things in Thedas. Nor are Grey Wardens. I think, in terms of lore, there is a lot more to explore.

[Grommash94]

filetemo wrote...

I'm afraid I've found the subconscious reason why some people may not like to play as Hawke. Not by wanting to use the warden, not by being unable to choose your origin.
We're told Hawke flees Lothering and then becomes the most powerful man in Thedas.Not knowing how or why all this happens, the actual questions are these:

Why does a man who fleed from the blight DESERVE to become the most influent being on the world?
Why does a man who didn't participate in destroying the evil power who could destroy the world have a place in history higher than those who fought bravely?
Why does hawke get the glory when my warden fades silently in history books when he did no good and fleed?
Why does a man who did NOTHING to fight the archdemon have the right to shape thedas?
How I'm going to get involved with the story of a man's rise to his own power when others are doing the epic tasks at the same time?
How can I care about a man who seeks power for himself when I just took part in the story of a hero who saved the world?

At this point, and with the current information we have, these are the questions that arise to me.

You didn't. You saved Ferelden. The rest of Thedas is a lot more prepared to defeat a Blight.

[okiness]

Blah. When I didn't like Hawke my reason was just that I'm attached to my Warden and not attached to Hawke, I got over it. Our questions will be answered ASAP

[Giltspur]

Maybe he's all his sister has. Maybe he's more interested in getting her to safety than in abandoning her to the Blight, joining the military in Ferelden and being a "hero".

Who knows.  Could be lots of reasons.

Modifié par Giltspur, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:20 .

[Arrtis]

I did not see the warden stay in lothering and defedining against the horde that kill all greywardens if it was not for flemeth.

[David Gaider]

Some of those questions will be answered in time. Some are only going to be answered by playing the game-- the question of why Hawke became a legend is the central question that the story of the game answers. Why this would lead you to "not respect" Hawke is a bit strange to me, but fair enough. At this point in the marketing I imagine he's a fairly blank slate.

[errant_knight]

All these things are true, for me, but I think they'll address that. There might be very good reasons for Hawke leaving Ferelden. In fact, there have to be.



Some possibilities:

He/she is a child at the beginning, then we jump ahead.

He/she needs to protect his/her sister. Perhaps she's an apostate, and being hunted by the Chantry. That would still mean abandoning Fereden to the blight, but would be mitigated by duty to family.

He/she is injured and is removed from Ferelden by unknown persons



Whatever the case, I'm sure they'll give a viable reason, and I'm sure that while I'm unlikely to believe that Hawke's role is any more important than the warden's given that the blight could have spread across Thedas, there's probably more to it than a personal quest for power. That would be pretty hollow, and these folks write very good characters.

[Bahlgan]

Blights aren't the most important things in Thedas

They WERE during the Blight.

Guys, I have to agree. Fleeing Lothering is NOT the sign of a leader

David Gaider wrote...
Some of those questions will be answered in time. Some are only going to be answered by playing the game-- the question of why Hawke became a legend is the central question that the story of the game answers. Why this would lead you to "not respect" Hawke is a bit strange to me, but fair enough. At this point in the marketing I imagine he's a fairly blank slate.

I understand. About the whole blank slate deal,

Think of it like this: The almighty Warden, who defeated the Archdemon and has taken care several thousands of Darkspawn as well as hundreds more outside villains, immediately gets replaced by a coward. Of all things, a coward. Kinda like replacing Bruce Willis with David Spade in the Die Hard film series.

Modifié par Bahlgan, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:31 .

[Ravenwoud]

then dont see it as fleeing but as a tactical retreat

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

Some of those questions will be answered in time. Some are only going to be answered by playing the game-- the question of why Hawke became a legend is the central question that the story of the game answers.

If he's our character, we'll be determining those answers ourselves, for the most part.

I also don't see how we could draw negative conclusions about him at this point.  And in general, if there's ever a facet of my PC I don't like, isn't that my fault rather than yours?

[Quinnzel]

Oh i dont know. Maybe his actions cause all of Thedas to plunge into war. Maybe he proves the maker isnt real. The things we encounter in the game are whats likely going to mould Hawke into the most important person.

Modifié par Quinnzel, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:27 .

[Grommash94]

Bahlgan wrote...

Blights aren't the most important things in Thedas

They WERE during the Blight.

Guys, I have to agree. Fleeing Lothering is NOT the sign of a leader.

Its not like we as the Grey Warden defended Lothering. And just because you flee doesn't mean you are a coward.

[Anarya]

Bahlgan wrote...

Blights aren't the most important things in Thedas

They WERE during the Blight.

Guys, I have to agree. Fleeing Lothering is NOT the sign of a leader.

Sometimes you have to know when to call it. Pointlessly making a last stand for glory is a waste. A leader who never backs down from anything in any circumstances would be a poor leader in my opinion.

[Davasar]

Because the cowardly often prosper and get the rewards of those who fight and die...look at our politicians sending our soldiers to fight in Vietnam...

[milkymcmilkerson]

Ravenwoud wrote...

well, the answer is simple.

we get to see WHY he becomes so important as soon we play the game ^^

Darn! You beat me to this answer!

But to recap, like what Ravenwoud wrote, that's the point of playing the game; to have these questions answered. Actually, from the GI article, it seems that the game's narrative is quite literally framed within the context of someone asking about Hawke, and why he's a Champion.

[Bahlgan]

Anarya wrote...

Sometimes you have to know when to call it. Pointlessly making a last stand for glory is a waste. A leader who never backs down from anything in any circumstances would be a poor leader in my opinion.

Ok. Well Fleeing Lothering is nice, in order to immediately vacate the premises.. MInd telling me what he was doing in the Free Marches, sipping on some Mai Tais while everyone in Ferelden was preparing his/her "last supper" before the darkspawn descended upon many of the townsfolk and knights?

[milkymcmilkerson]

Anyways, Hawke was a nobody before Lothering. Who's to say he doesn't have most peopel fooled about hwo great of a champion he is?

[Adanu]

Because being narrow-minded and stupid like the Warden (I would have at least *tried* to get help from others) is not the same as being smart and cautious.



Hawke probably has his own reasons.

[Anarya]

Bahlgan wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Sometimes you have to know when to call it. Pointlessly making a last stand for glory is a waste. A leader who never backs down from anything in any circumstances would be a poor leader in my opinion.

Ok. Well Fleeing Lothering is nice, in order to immediately vacate the premises.. MInd telling me what he was doing in the Free Marches, sipping on some Mai Tais while everyone in Ferelden was preparing his/her "last supper" before the darkspawn descended upon many of the townsfolk and knights?

I'd love to tell you what (s)he was up to but I have a feeling that in March when I decide what exactly that was, my version will differ from yours. I gather this is the point of the game after all.

[SpiderFan1217]

Why are you asking so many lame questions?

Why are half your questions the same ones rephrased?

Why don't you realize that half those questions can't be answered right now or it would ruin the game?

Why haven't you realized that technically The Warden fled Lothering too?

Why won't you give the hero of a game, you haven't played, a chance?

Why did you jump to the conclusion that The Warden faded into obscurity?

Why can't you see that maybe, just maybe, Hawke isn't seeking power for himself?

[Riona45]

Bahlgan wrote...

Guys, I have to agree. Fleeing Lothering is NOT the sign of a leader

Maybe they don't start off as a leader but become one later.  Characters can grow and change.

[Demx]

Adanu wrote...

Because being narrow-minded and stupid like the Warden (I would have at least *tried* to get help from others) is not the same as being smart and cautious.

Hawke probably has his own reasons.

That is more Bioware's fault than your warden's, considering you don't have a choice in the matter.