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[filetemo]

Riona45 wrote...

filetemo wrote...
But at this moment, with the few information we have, he looks a "run away and do shady business for your personal profit while others are not looking because they're getting the job done" type of guy.

But the Warden could have done shady and not very heroic stuff (you don't have to save Redcliffe village, for example) and yet they still would up as a "hero."

yes, but the morally questionable choices of the warden, like leaving lothering behind were done for the greater good, alas to end the blight.Hence the "grey" wardens: you can choose the morally questionable choices because it's for a good cause

in DA2 there's no, "ancient evil to defeat" as pointed by the writers in this forum

[otherarrow]

As others have mentioned, how exactly should Hawke and his sister fight against a horde of darkspawn on their own. They fled because there was nothing they could do. It was not like they trapped the people of Lotherin. Maybe they actually helped some of the people escape. But either way the people were free to escape as well.



The blight only really threatened Fereldan so who's to say that Hawke doesn't face something that threatens the whole world (if the interactive map is anything to go by then it seems like he'll travel around the world).

[Heimdall]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

I always thought the Warden left Lothering because there was no point in saving it. Everyone was getting ready to pack up and leave, there weren't any actual soldiers left to defend it, there was no castle to protect it and the town itself wasn't in a really defensible position. Lothering might have been convenient for travelers and merchants, but it sure as hell wasn't important and it's clear nobody thought it was worth defending.

Exactly, to stay would have been suicidal and both hawke and the Warden knew it

[filetemo]

R.U.N wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...


Mr. Gaider, I realize you probably can't or won't answer this, but my question is: Why does Hawke's prowess have to surpass that of the Grey Wardens'?  Maybe it doesn't, but based on the write-ups so far it seems like he's going to become "the most powerful individual EVAH!", and IMO, that kind of bothers me.  Why can't he simply be one of many "heroes" in the history of Dragon Age, rather than making him out to be THE greatest champion ever?

It kind of feels the same way as when The Force Unleashed decided that the Secret Apprentice was more powerful than Vader or the Emperor.  It comes away as a cheesy way of "marketing" the character to the folks who can't enjoy a game unless their character is the greatest character of all time.

I agree.
If it was ''Hawke another very important character in the history of Thedas'' instead of ''THE most important character'' people wouldn't be half as pissed.
Really, how over the top is Hawke going to be then?
Having High-Dragons as pets, bedding Flemeth and beating up the maker while he rocks the beard?

That way it's like he's competing with the Warden and I can only imagine how many gamers are going to be like:,,
My Warden wouldn't have done this and that'' or ''My Warden would've taken out Flemeth in a sec.''.

Hopefully it's just PR nonsense, otherwise what's the next protagonist going to be like?
The most important person in the universe and he/she uses Shepard as a toothpick?

these are good points aswell, describe part of my feelings towards hawke too.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Here's my actual problem:

Remove "Our" from your thread title as you don't speak for the rest of us. It's greatly pompous of you to think that we all would feel the same as you.

lol reminds me of my dwarf noble origin

"Warden - Trian is a pompous ass"

ahh good old origin days=]

[Querne]

filetemo wrote...

Not knowing how or why all this happens, the actual questions are these:

Why does a man who fleed from the blight DESERVE to become the most influent being on the world?
Why does a man who didn't participate in destroying the evil power who could destroy the world have a place in history higher than those who fought bravely?
Why does hawke get the glory when my warden fades silently in history books when he did no good and fleed?
Why does a man who did NOTHING to fight the archdemon have the right to shape thedas?
How I'm going to get involved with the story of a man's rise to his own power when others are doing the epic tasks at the same time?
How can I care about a man who seeks power for himself when I just took part in the story of a hero who saved the world?

At this point, and with the current information we have, these are the questions that arise to me.

Hm, I´m everything but a Hawke-Fangirl but in the end you just seem to ask..

"How can I play anything but my old Grey Warden?"

.. in six different versions.

Modifié par Querne, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:24 .

[filetemo]

Querne wrote...

Hm, I´m everything but a Hawke-Fangirl but in the end you jsut seem to ask..

"How can I play anything but my old Grey Warden?"

.. in six different versions.

no, what I'm saying is "my warden was so badass I don't see how a blight refugee can equal that level of awesomeness and make me interested about his life"

[Behindyounow]

The simple fact that Hawke didn't bother trying to save Ferelden makes me like him more.



I hate the stupid "I WILL SAVE THE LAND BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO" kind of people, and dislike being forced to be at least be a "Meh... I guess I'll save the land if I get payed" kind of person as well in DA:O.



I want to play a character that'll say "Sod the bloody country. I only care about me, so I'm jumping ship." Thankfully, it looks like I might be able to play Hawke as one of them.

[Blackoutt21]

filetemo wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...


Mr. Gaider, I realize you probably can't or won't answer this, but my question is: Why does Hawke's prowess have to surpass that of the Grey Wardens'?  Maybe it doesn't, but based on the write-ups so far it seems like he's going to become "the most powerful individual EVAH!", and IMO, that kind of bothers me.  Why can't he simply be one of many "heroes" in the history of Dragon Age, rather than making him out to be THE greatest champion ever?

It kind of feels the same way as when The Force Unleashed decided that the Secret Apprentice was more powerful than Vader or the Emperor.  It comes away as a cheesy way of "marketing" the character to the folks who can't enjoy a game unless their character is the greatest character of all time.

I agree.
If it was ''Hawke another very important character in the history of Thedas'' instead of ''THE most important character'' people wouldn't be half as pissed.
Really, how over the top is Hawke going to be then?
Having High-Dragons as pets, bedding Flemeth and beating up the maker while he rocks the beard?

That way it's like he's competing with the Warden and I can only imagine how many gamers are going to be like:,,
My Warden wouldn't have done this and that'' or ''My Warden would've taken out Flemeth in a sec.''.

Hopefully it's just PR nonsense, otherwise what's the next protagonist going to be like?
The most important person in the universe and he/she uses Shepard as a toothpick?

these are good points aswell, describe part of my feelings towards hawke too.

Maybe he's the most important character not because he's such a great fighter but because of something he sets in motion. Isn't there something about a big war or something the devs have mentioned? If Hawke starts a Thedas wide war that would be much more important than the warden stopping the blight ( something that has been done before, despite it obviously being very difficult to do.)

[filetemo]

Capt. Obvious wrote...



Yeah, but running away from your doom is just common sense. How's Hawke suppose to fight off all the Darkspawn?

you and other forum members may think I'm saying Hawke should have defended lothering alone with a rusty sword and a wet towel, that's not what I'm saying, it's fine to flee lothering  "to fight another day", but at least tell me hawke tried to fight the blight somewhere, sometime, joining the king's army, the bann's army, whatever, instead of going to another country while the fate of the world took place in Ferelden. That way maybe I can get emotionally invested in hawke's journey.

[R.U.N]

filetemo wrote...

Querne wrote...

Hm, I´m everything but a Hawke-Fangirl but in the end you jsut seem to ask..

"How can I play anything but my old Grey Warden?"

.. in six different versions.

no, what I'm saying is "my warden was so badass I don't see how a blight refugee can equal that level of awesomeness and make me interested about his life"

He can certainly try, but chances are with a Voiceover it's probably going to be someone who tries way to hard.
Oneliners and a deep ''tough'' voice, it's going to be funny, I imagine.

Modifié par R.U.N, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:40 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

filetemo wrote...

no, what I'm saying is "my warden was so badass I don't see how a blight refugee can equal that level of awesomeness and make me interested about his life"

I also don't see how someone living in a vault underground could ever be as badass as my Warden.  No way a kid sheltered in a library for twenty years could rise to the Warden's awesomitude.  And certainly not some farming kid on a desert planet with a crazy hermit for a mentor.  Nope, the Warden's just too cool of a hero for anyone else to ever surpass him/her. 

...anyway, my point is that fictional heroes come from all walks of life.  Some of the Wardens come from pretty rough backgrounds that aren't all that much better than being a Blight refugee.  All we know is Hawke's beginning--if DA2 is a game worth playing, Hawke will eventually become as badass as you allow him/her to be.

[Chairon de Celeste]

If your chosen task is to protect your relatives and friends who
don't stand a chance against the darkspawn,

would you make a finsal stand in Lothering and watch them fall one by one
before it is your own turn

or would you retreat and help them to escape?

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:36 .

[Querne]

filetemo wrote...

no, what I'm saying is "my warden was so badass I don't see how a blight refugee can equal that level of awesomeness and make me interested about his life"

.. in six different versions.

At least I have no idea what would be an reasonable rise for you.
Killing two Archlords, 324234 Darkspawns while drinking a beer and having Sex with Morrigan and her lost twin sister Lorrigan at once?
I think it´s nonsence that somebody can only be a hero or have an awsome story saving the world from ultimate evil. Common people have often to make harder decisions than any politician and civilans happen to be braver than any soldier.
In the end Hawke doesn´t seem neither common nor a civilan to me.

[Riona45]

filetemo wrote...

yes, but the morally questionable choices of the warden, like leaving lothering behind were done for the greater good, alas to end the blight.Hence the "grey" wardens: you can choose the morally questionable choices because it's for a good cause

I don't buy it that all questionable actions in DA:O necessarily involve looking at the big picture.  I thought the point of the game was that you could choose to be a wide range of people, including someone who does stuff for themselves on the side.  If you didn't like the Redcliffe example, how about the thieving and assassination sidequests?  I guess someone could say that in the end, those were "for the greater good," but I wouldn't buy it.  I never at any point felt like Fereldan was counting on me to help the Crows.

[Behindyounow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

filetemo wrote...

no, what I'm saying is "my warden was so badass I don't see how a blight refugee can equal that level of awesomeness and make me interested about his life"

I also don't see how someone living in a vault underground could ever be as badass as my Warden.  No way a kid sheltered in a library for twenty years could rise to the Warden's awesomitude.  And certainly not some farming kid on a desert planet with a crazy hermit for a mentor.  Nope, the Warden's just too cool of a hero for anyone else to ever surpass him/her. 

Oh god... Whats that from?! I almost have it, but for the love of god I can't remember.

[R.U.N]

You know, how about a protagonist that's not ''awesome'', ''cool'' or ''badass'', but a more realistic more kinda novel type approach.
I certainly would enjoy playing a more human character instead of a carbon copy action hero.

Modifié par R.U.N, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:50 .

[Riona45]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I also don't see how someone living in a vault underground could ever be as badass as my Warden.  No way a kid sheltered in a library for twenty years could rise to the Warden's awesomitude.  And certainly not some farming kid on a desert planet with a crazy hermit for a mentor.  Nope, the Warden's just too cool of a hero for anyone else to ever surpass him/her. 

...anyway, my point is that fictional heroes come from all walks of life.  Some of the Wardens come from pretty rough backgrounds that aren't all that much better than being a Blight refugee.  All we know is Hawke's beginning--if DA2 is a game worth playing, Hawke will eventually become as badass as you allow him/her to be.

Nicely put.  You can probably trivialize the beginnings of any hero if you try hard enough.  I also agree that being "the most important person in the setting" could well be a statement about Hawke's political significance, not necessarily how good they are in a fight, or if they could beat the Warden in a duel.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Behindyounow wrote...
Oh god... Whats that from?! I almost have it, but for the love of god I can't remember.

Baldur's Gate.  Only one of the most jawesome game series ever.  And I have to say that out of all the PCs I've played, the Bhaalspawn is one of my favorites.  Hell, I even went through the trouble of translating her to 4e at epic.

[Lord Gremlin]

Nah, that's not the case. At least for me.

[Riona45]

Behindyounow wrote...

Oh god... Whats that from?! I almost have it, but for the love of god I can't remember.

Baldur's Gate.

[Behindyounow]

Yes thats it! Its all coming back now. Been ages since I played the first one. I usually just skip straight to BG2.

[Chairon de Celeste]

makes me wonder how any da o  warden with a circle mage origin managed
to get along after being sheltered in a library for 15 -19 years or more ...

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:49 .