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[Kaiser Shepard]

Hmm, try to protect a simple village with perhaps a dozen other men against a horde of monsters, after the ones that are supposed to stop said monsters either died or fled through the village themselves, or be a good and responsible older sibling and take your sister somewhere safe?

Dilemma indeed.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 22 juillet 2010 - 08:31 .

[filetemo]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

filetemo wrote...

In fact, dark fantasy is about trying to do the greater good and screwing up badly and probably dying in the process.Whoever wants to be a chaotic evil character should play Fable or GTA

Dark Fantasy is just good old Fantasy with fancy pants and emo haircut.
And RPG, a good RPG, is about choices.
The thing is, methods may differ. For example, you must organize rebuilding of a city. It's a task at hand, and you just need it done.
You may spend money on workers, hire dwarf engineers, fetch some rare materials... Or you may strike a deal with a blood mage and his demon from the swamp - you bring them 20 newborn children (demon's favorite crunch) and they mind-control a whole village near the swamp, so you get free mind-enslaved workers for city rebuilding.

I do not agree the least bit, dark fantasy is not fantasy with an emo haircut. A good dark fantasy plot driven rpg makes you accomplish an epic task with morally cuestionable choices, sacrifices and friends dying. But ultimately your goal is good (even if you screw over and it ends in tragedy) There's no place for freely rampage and destruction for the sake of evilness, everything plot related quest has to be "sacrifice this city-person-thing" for the greater good. Only if the game puts you in a 100% evil character like in Overlord 2 there's place for senseless chaos caused by you.

Anyways were getting offtopic a bit.

[Rhjh20]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Archduke Franz Ferdinand became the most important man in Europe in 1914 after his assassination sparked World War I.  

The Da2 story is gonna be something like this.

[Lyssistr]

"Our problem with Hawke: We do not respect him. Here's why"



Who's "we"?



We know next to nothing about Hawke, he survived and the male version,Mr. Hawke has a beard. Ok he may had slacked a little during Origins but that's not a bad thing to do.



close to zero information implies almost maximum uncertainty, so unless it's the beard, I can really see why he shouldn't be respected, nor is it obvious why he should.

[Malanek]

I would like to see Hawke given the option to lead an evacuation. Staying and fighting and dieing is equal parts heroic and stupid. Helping others escape is the better option. It will be one of those tricky moments for the writers though, a lot of players will want to stay in Ferelden and fight, yet the story requires that they don't get that option. They need to make the railroading not feel like railroading.

[Lord Gremlin]

Aww, think of all evil possibilities! POSSIBILITIES!!!

Imagine you need to save some lord, like Arl Eamon from DAO.

So, Hawke goes to the swamp mage and his demon:



Hawke: Well, I have to save this treyn, I need those papers signed by him... And he's in coma! But to find a cure I'll have to travel hell knows where...

Demon: Well, you need him to just sign the papers? Ok. Here's some poison and let me possess your ****** sister so I can come with you to his mansion. There you'll poison the treyn, he will die and I'll take his body like a puppet and sign your papers. I'll scan his memory so signature will be exactly like his own. And there will be witnesses of his willingness to help you. After that, you may depart.

Hawke: And you?

Demon: And when you're gone treyn will go insane and eat all his servants alive. Ahem. I hope we have a deal.

Hawke: Well, it's a deal. Sister! Come here... Good, now relax and close your eyes...



The more i think of various possibilities the more I like Hawke. Bioware never disappoints when it comes to such stories.

[Aratham Darksight]

filetemo wrote...

agree, but it would be fine if they didn't market hawke as "the most important man of thedas". So he goes from random villager B to the most important man in thedas in 10 years. While the ones who killed the archdemon while he was random villager B vanish whitout importance.

Well, to be fair, my first character was also Random Street Thug A (the one who menaces the hero's girlfriend) before she was conscripted and offered the chance to be somebody. And she made from nobody to Archdemon-slayer in less than 10 years.

[Valente11]

There is an inherent flaw in the very first post of this thread that completely invalidates his argument. That flaw is the "we". You do not speak for all of us, even if you though you speak for the community on these forums (which you obviously don't), the forums are such a small fraction of the DA fanbase that it's irrelevant anyway.



You have a very naive understanding of how the world works. And also of how stories are formulated, do some reading, take a few literature classes..some of the best heroes in literature start out as despicable human beings. I'm not sure how old the OP is, but the argument he states is immature at best.

[javierabegazo]

http://social.biowar...1/index/3099230



Please take it there