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[mosor]

Just wondering how many people are pro cerberus? Or if you don't like cerberus per se, do you agree with their vision of human dominance?  For those people, how far would you go to achieve those ends?

Finally how many people don't want to see humanity as the dominant power in the galaxy and why?

[Dave of Canada]

I don't want to see humanity in charge of the galaxy because of our nature, we deem to conquer and enslave what we don't understand and rule over it instead of working together for a better universe. Earth is pretty much a giant example of too much human dominance, it's filled with crime and poverty while the richer people live in luxury.



Although I don't believe in the Asari dominance that the pre-council represented as well.

[Pacifien]

Not pro-Cerberus. Don't agree with human dominance because I'm not very nationalistic in real life, so have difficulty translating a similar mentality to the game. Have no problem with those who want to be pro-Cerberus if they weren't such ****s about it on the forum. Have now completely ruined this thread by making it personal. Apologies.

[JRCHOharry]

I agree with the fact they want to make humanity a stronger force. I don't agree with their methods about doing so.

[Simpfan]

I feel like the Humans in Mass Effect are very uppity and, like a lot of Humans today, have a sense of self entitlement, and its rather annoying. They are always talking about "humanities place", as if they deserve something for just existing, even before destroying Sovereign. It makes me feel really bad for the other races who have been around much longer. If saving the galaxy is how you are elevated in status, what chances are there the Volus, Elcor or Hanar will ever gain a seat? Especially the Volus. Third race to reach Citadel, basically created a stable galactic economy, but what do they get in return? Client status to the Turians and not even their own Embassy. And I bet you that the Human embassy was the Volus embassy until Humans showed up and started whining.



Anyway, enough Volus tangent,,,



So no, I myself, am not pro-human or agree with Cerberus and its goal.

[Alpha-Centuri]

I'm pro human, not pro-cerberus. I told garrus at the collector base that I knew TIM would double-cross me. I stuck it to him at the end, and I plan on taking my services to South Beach back to the Alliance.

[MadCat221]

Cerberus's moral compass is so corrupted that I wouldn't use it to find my way out of a paper bag.

Unfortunately, they're the only ones besides Shepard's crew taking the Reaper threat seriously.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:41 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

I prefer the alliance.

[MadCat221]

Shandepared wrote...

I support Cerberus completely. Prior to playing Mass Effect 2, especially after reading Ascension, I was skeptical that they were of any benefit to humanity. I thought they might be more of a menace and I was angry that they might have squandered any hopes humanity had for forming an alliance with the Migrant Fleet. However after meeting the Illusive Man and seeing how well Cerberus handled the mission to stop the Collectors, as well as learning about their involvement in the Normandy, I changed my mind.

Cerberus all the way.

What about the other sapient species in the galaxy?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Shandepared wrote...

I support Cerberus completely. Prior to playing Mass Effect 2, especially after reading Ascension, I was skeptical that they were of any benefit to humanity. I thought they might be more of a menace and I was angry that they might have squandered any hopes humanity had for forming an alliance with the Migrant Fleet. However after meeting the Illusive Man and seeing how well Cerberus handled the mission to stop the Collectors, as well as learning about their involvement in the Normandy, I changed my mind.

Cerberus all the way.

That's what I like about Cerberus, too. As Jacob put it, they don't write down reports and wait for politicians and whatnot to act, "we just go and find it". I just really don't trust Timmy, who happens to be the head of Cerberus. That's all.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 22 juillet 2010 - 06:47 .

[Barquiel]

anti-cerberus
"Unacceptable methods, unacceptable goals"

Why would I want humans to rule the galaxy? The current council isn't exactly perfect (I would add a rotating seat for the other races...elcor, hanar, etc.), but better than a human tyranny.

[MadCat221]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I support Cerberus completely. Prior to playing Mass Effect 2, especially after reading Ascension, I was skeptical that they were of any benefit to humanity. I thought they might be more of a menace and I was angry that they might have squandered any hopes humanity had for forming an alliance with the Migrant Fleet. However after meeting the Illusive Man and seeing how well Cerberus handled the mission to stop the Collectors, as well as learning about their involvement in the Normandy, I changed my mind.

Cerberus all the way.

That's what I like about Cerberus, too. As Jacob put it, they don't write down reports and wait for politicians and whatnot to act, "we just go and find it". I just really don't trust Timmy, who happens to be the head of Cerberus. That's all.

Too many human supremacists in the org, and Spectres can do Carte Blanche as well, with tacit government backing too... when they're not members of a species new to the galactic scene with an expansionist and entitlement complex.

Cerberus is a group of amoral operatives led by an aging vice-addled playboy who likes pretending he's supercool black ops brains.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:00 .

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

I support Cerberus completely. Prior to playing Mass Effect 2, especially after reading Ascension, I was skeptical that they were of any benefit to humanity. I thought they might be more of a menace and I was angry that they might have squandered any hopes humanity had for forming an alliance with the Migrant Fleet. However after meeting the Illusive Man and seeing how well Cerberus handled the mission to stop the Collectors, as well as learning about their involvement in the Normandy, I changed my mind.

Cerberus all the way.

My feelings about Cerberus are selective depending on the project. Personally I think the good they did by bringing back Shepard outweighed all the bad (imho) they had done up until then.

I think it would be smart to work with them to stop the reapers, and not tell TIM to stuff it and run off like the paragons who put their personal feelings about TIM above the mission to stop the reapers.

MadCat221 wrote...

What about the other sapient species in the galaxy?

What about them?

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[MadCat221]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I support Cerberus completely. Prior to playing Mass Effect 2, especially after reading Ascension, I was skeptical that they were of any benefit to humanity. I thought they might be more of a menace and I was angry that they might have squandered any hopes humanity had for forming an alliance with the Migrant Fleet. However after meeting the Illusive Man and seeing how well Cerberus handled the mission to stop the Collectors, as well as learning about their involvement in the Normandy, I changed my mind.

Cerberus all the way.

My feelings about Cerberus are selective depending on the project. Personally I think the good they did by bringing back Shepard outweighed all the bad (imho) they had done up until then.

I think it would be smart to work with them to stop the reapers, and not tell TIM to stuff it and run off like the paragons who put their personal feelings about TIM above the mission to stop the reapers.

MadCat221 wrote...

What about the other sapient species in the galaxy?

What about them?

One would have to be as naive as the paragonic players they accuse that of to not see that Cerberus's goals are thinly veiled human supremism.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:08 .

[MadCat221]

Shandepared wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

What about the other sapient species in the galaxy?

Not my concern.

MadCat221 wrote...

Cerberus is a group of amoral operatives led by an aging vice-addled playboy who likes pretending he's supercool black ops brains.

Spectres are a group of amoral operatives lead by an aging cabal of self-serving nationalist asari, salarians, and turians who give their agents the freedom to murder and steal under the vague mandate that they "protect galactic stability". The Spectres are the chief defenders of an oppressive government that lords itself over multiple species that are given no vote or say in how that government operates or in the decisions it makes. The Council rules by force, not by consent.

With all of that being true how can you possibly argue that Cerberus and human dominance are somehow worse? At least human dominance would serve humanity, unlike the neglectful Council.

Well, for starters, we can see that Human dominance is worse because of the far heavier police state the Citadel is in when the council dies.  Question Avina?  Hands on your heads and wait for C-Sec.  Not so with the Council still alive.

Unless you're okay with facist police states?

And how is the Council better despite all those failings you listed?  They have a better feel for galactic affairs than the humans.  Who have been on the scene for all of twenty five years.  Humans are all high and mighty all because they bloodied the nose of the big kid on the block, who was gearing up to deliver an even bigger whomping in response.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:14 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Shandepared wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Well, for starters, we can see that Human dominance is worse because of the far heavier police state the Citadel is in when the council dies.  Question Avina?  Hands on your heads and wait for C-Sec.  Not so with the Council still alive.

Unless you're okay with facist police states?

That's only on the Citadel and the Citadel is primarily populated by aliens, hostile aliens at that, and not humans.

:unsure:that's like having a problem with canada... toronto or montreal having more canadians than americans... duh

:wizard:more blue aien strippers for me then... 

[MadCat221]

Shandepared wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Well, for starters, we can see that Human dominance is worse because of the far heavier police state the Citadel is in when the council dies.  Question Avina?  Hands on your heads and wait for C-Sec.  Not so with the Council still alive.

Unless you're okay with facist police states?

That's only on the Citadel and the Citadel is primarily populated by aliens, hostile aliens at that, and not humans.

Gee, I wonder why they're hostile?

Timmay made a similar comment, and I just so wanted a Paragon interrupt to reach through the QEC and dope slap his funky contact lenses out for that.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:22 .

[shinobi602]

I'm not pro-Cerberus, but I'm not anti-Cerberus either. I agree with some things they do, and disagree with others.

[Simpfan]

Shandepared wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Well, for starters, we can see that Human dominance is worse because of the far heavier police state the Citadel is in when the council dies.  Question Avina?  Hands on your heads and wait for C-Sec.  Not so with the Council still alive.

Unless you're okay with facist police states?

That's only on the Citadel and the Citadel is primarily populated by aliens, hostile aliens at that, and not humans.

How would you feel if a group of uppity people showed up, demanded things they hadnt earned, when things got tough allowed your government to be killed while they saved themselves, and then placed themselves in the new government that was rebuilt after?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Barquiel wrote...

anti-cerberus
"Unacceptable methods, unacceptable goals"

Why would I want humans to rule the galaxy? The current council isn't exactly perfect (I would add a rotating seat for the other races...elcor, hanar, etc.), but better than a human tyranny.

:huh:glad i'm a elf/vulcan in the future...^_^

:whistle:humans are naturally "ulterioristically questionable" ... putting their own personal agenda/interest ahead of stuff very important... can't fully trust some.

B)elves deserve a council seat of the Lord of the Rings in futuristic space (example they had problems in the lord of the rings thanks to one power hungry human man keeping the ring by the way)... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:25 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Simpfan wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Well, for starters, we can see that Human dominance is worse because of the far heavier police state the Citadel is in when the council dies.  Question Avina?  Hands on your heads and wait for C-Sec.  Not so with the Council still alive.

Unless you're okay with facist police states?

That's only on the Citadel and the Citadel is primarily populated by aliens, hostile aliens at that, and not humans.

How would you feel if a group of uppity people showed up, demanded things they hadnt earned, when things got tough allowed your government to be killed while they saved themselves, and then placed themselves in the new government that was rebuilt after?

:huh:sounds like some native american, christerpher columbus **** in space the way you put it... :?I believe they could have saved both the council+humans at the same time... saving the council = greater trust amongst other alien races across the galaxy, saving a group of your species would to have a well familiarized reputation of amongst them within immediate human contact... why not both (being appreciated by your species, aswell as having the trust of other species/alliens across the galaxy with whatever relationship/dealings)?... 

[Caesar914]

I agree with the advancement of humanity but not at the cost of other species.