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[wulf3n]

Christmas Ape wrote...
And really, I'm still waiting to hear about a Cerberus action that actually fits the definition of terrorism. I'm looking for a Cerberus operation that specifically targeted civilians with the intention of changing political policy among the victims' governing body.

Yeah, i think that was really just bad "writing". Nothing they have done can be construed as Terrorism. In ME1 they were just a rogue government agency. It seems like the ME2 writers wanted to make you hate them even more by using a very "loaded" word, even though it doesn't fit their profile.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Journal entry upon the completion of that assignment is ambigous though. I don't remember the exact wording , but it is very explicit about non-causal relation between the husk transformation and the Cerberus operative visit. The log translation about Cerberus having "a lot to answer for" has something to do with the fact the Cerberus operative (team) was the only one(s) to be able to leave the colony. And, naturally, no answering would have been available from anybody else, because everybody else died.

Nothing about Chasca makes sense. The ExoGeni terminal you first pick the quest up from mentions giving samples to Cerberus but then also mentions that they (ExoGeni) haven't developed an antidote yet and that if word of that gets out it will be bad. Antidote for what though? Then on Chasca the final log entry when the quest is completed states that Cerberus deliberately infected the colonists. What did they infect them with? We see dragons teeth and the place is overrun with husks. When you ask Miranda about the husks (which I assume means Chasca) she responds by saying the husks were already dead.

So... none of it makes sense. What were the colonists "infected" with? That would be strange wording if they were refering to indoctrination and by that point I doubt Cerberus would even know about it.

It just sounds like to me that even when making that quest for ME1 the writers and level designers weren't working together.

I've  never brought this up before, because there is nothing substantial to even speculate on, but since this comes up again, I'll spill.
I think that the Feros "quest vending terminals" were mistakenly swapped. I mean, they are both pretty much in the same room and the target planets are in the neighboring star systems (and even similar in being garden worlds with "nightmare" terrain in terms of Mako driving, lol). Easy to slip up. I think, that the terminal telling you about the "samples", "antidote", and "infection" must have led you to Nodacrux colony - the one with the Thorian Creepers and a female scientist who tries to bribe her way out. That would make the persistent popular belief that it was a 100% Cerberus experiment there totally legit (whereas there is nothing to support this now). It would make all the sense in the world. And the terminal telling about a colony going dark must have led you to the Chasca colony. Which would make Cerberus involvment even less apparent.

Can't let this go without the notice, that this sort of confusion about side quests is a rare exception for ME1, while in ME2 almost all the N7 missions carry signs of " the writers and level designers weren't working together", or didn't play ME1, for that matter.

[Inverness Moon]

darth_lopez wrote...

genetically similar to the Protheans

What?

[Kroesis-]

Inverness Moon wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

genetically similar to the Protheans

What?

'What?' Indeed. Didn't EDI say that Prothean DNA was far more complex than any other species known, including Human? It's that very complexity that gave EDI the revelation that the Collectors were in fact once Protheans albeit with some very heavy modification by the Reapers.

[Zulu_DFA]

tonnactus wrote...

Why humans should dominate anything? Why they deserve it?

To this sort of question there is only one answer:

When (if at all) Humans will dominate, there will be no "whys" about it. If we can, we deserve, and we will. If we can't, don't deserve it.

The only thing that justifies somebody being in power is, well, being powerful. Politics is just an eternal struggle to be on the top. And the degree to which somebody is "wise" or "moral" is measured by the same standard as the degree of one's "strenght". And that standard is the current amount of power one has.

[Sajuro]

Inverness Moon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Why humans should dominate anything? Why they deserve it?

I don't think you understand what human dominance means in this context. It means we speak softly but carry the biggest stick in the galaxy.

That doesn't answer the question, I don't trust the humans who would be in charge not to snap and start beating people to death with that big stick. Why should we trust humans to be wise with their power.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I am like a thousands pro cerberus

[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe we can all just sit in a cirlce and hold claws, tentacles, hands, whatevers and sing a song!
That would give the Reapers a turn.

But the one thing that pushes me off of Cerberus is the whole DOMINANCE thing. Till then I was thinking they were a rouge cell who did the stuff no others would. Then the whole HUMANS FOREVER fist pump by TIM, the DOMINANCE NOW and in the future, and just how it ended I couldnt take it.

While I liked the buildup TIM went from a buisness man to a fanatic all of the sudden in the end was wierd. Every other time you talk to him he is quite collected but in the end he is suddenly going off an a rant.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 25 juillet 2010 - 01:37 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also I think that if "humanity can dominate the galaxy" they should do it and not think about whether or not they deserve it. Because that would be pointless. If they have hte capacity to be dominant and the will, they should just ****in' do it for whatever reason, small or big, would be presented.

[mosor]

Sajuro wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Why humans should dominate anything? Why they deserve it?

I don't think you understand what human dominance means in this context. It means we speak softly but carry the biggest stick in the galaxy.

That doesn't answer the question, I don't trust the humans who would be in charge not to snap and start beating people to death with that big stick. Why should we trust humans to be wise with their power.

How are aliens really any wiser than humans? For some reason lots of people give aliens all these noble traits but view humanity with absolute distain.  I think we're too self depricating. Human dominance is good becuase we're human and being strong is good for us. It's good not having to rely or beg for help  from anyone else when we have a problem. It's good not having to worry some alien government will bully us if their interests conflict with our own.

[Sajuro]

I trust the Asari to be in control more than any human since they have the mentality for long term decisions.

[darth_lopez]

Kroesis- wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

genetically similar to the Protheans

What?

'What?' Indeed. Didn't EDI say that Prothean DNA was far more complex than any other species known, including Human? It's that very complexity that gave EDI the revelation that the Collectors were in fact once Protheans albeit with some very heavy modification by the Reapers.

i thought she said we were genetically similar minus the quad strand and what not >.> i may have misheard.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

I trust the Asari to be in control more than any human since they have the mentality for long term decisions.

Do they have the mentality for quick time reactions, though?

[darth_lopez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I trust the Asari to be in control more than any human since they have the mentality for long term decisions.

Do they have the mentality for quick time reactions, though?

good point

[Kroesis-]

darth_lopez wrote...

i thought she said we were genetically similar minus the quad strand and what not >.> i may have misheard.

I believe she said that the Collectors were experimenting to see how compatible or similar Human DNA is to their own, but as I said their DNA (which is quad strand as you said) is a lot more complex than any other species.

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I trust the Asari to be in control more than any human since they have the mentality for long term decisions.

Yeah, great call they made on the geth, and hell, great call they made with the First Contact War.

Do you mean not believing a spectre canidate because he had a vision? Kicking out a race that created a race of synthetics who could achieve artificial intelligents and succeeded in kicking said race off of every planet the held? The first contact war, wasn't that when they stopped the Turians from pulverizing humans until we were another one of their client races? Yep, the Asari really screwed up there.

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Do you mean not believing a spectre canidate because he had a vision?

No, I was speaking of the geth uprising, you know, that incident in which rogue synthetics waged a war of genocide and conquest against an associate race of the Citadel? The geth proved they were dangerous then and that they were not open to diplomacy. The Council should have invaded and destroyed them.

After all of the wars, I don't blame them for not chasing after the Geth if the Geth stayed beyond the veil since the attitude at the time was that it was the Quarian's own damn fault for getting kicked off their planets. And I personally think that the Quarians of old deserved to be planetless for all the **** they pulled.

[darth_lopez]

Kroesis- wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

i thought she said we were genetically similar minus the quad strand and what not >.> i may have misheard.

I believe she said that the Collectors were experimenting to see how compatible or similar Human DNA is to their own, but as I said their DNA (which is quad strand as you said) is a lot more complex than any other species.

i must've misheard and misquoted i do recall what you are saying  you're correct on that.

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

After all of the wars, I don't blame them for not chasing after the Geth if the Geth stayed beyond the veil since the attitude at the time was that it was the Quarian's own damn fault for getting kicked off their planets.And I personally think that the Quarians of old deserved to be planetless for all the **** they pulled.

Oh my, condoning the genocide of an entire species are we? You're certainly taking the moral highground here.

The quarians were an ally of the Citadel and they did nothing wrong, they broke no law. Moral reasons for intervention aside, the Council should have invaded to protect their own interests. Remember how A.I. was heavily regulated and in most cases outright banned? That was so because A.I. was deemed dangerous, highly dangerous. What then do you do when millions of accidental A.I. rise up and kill off billions and billions of people, conquering entire star systems?

Well, if you're the Council then you do nothing.

It was hypocritical and short-sighted. If A.I. are safe enough to be left alone after they've committed a war of genocide and conquest then surely they are safe enough to be researched and developed without restriction.

And how many more  would die if you try to take back the Quarian planets? The Asari are tired of not being able to go a few hundred years with a galaxy threatening war which is why they try to seek peaceful solutions, or a covert solution that averts full  blown war. I'm saying that the Geth Uprising would never have happened if the Quarians didn't follow their knee jerk reactions to genocide the geth (well, attempt to) when one displayed sentience. A council that would send fleets in to take back the the worlds would encounter a decades long war with a species that didn't need the kinds of supply lines that organics did.

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...
. It's easy for you to say that they should have gambled for peace, but then it isn't your life, your city, your country, your civilization, your future, your life, your wife, or your children being gambled with.

The same could be said for going to war because after all, it's not your people you are gambling with. It would be easier to repel a Geth Fleet then to invade their worlds. Sovereign would probably have found another pawn like the Rachni, and there is no way the Asari would know that Geth would attack the Citadel one day with a Reaper.