Or they have ****ty depth perception.Pacifien wrote...
Turians suck at playing chicken.Sajuro wrote...
Though really it only happened because the Turians overestimated their firepower or thought Sov would stop.
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Sajuro wrote...
But they still broke the law even if no is sure how it happened. Which is why they lost their embassy on the Citadel. If you kill someone without intending to kill them, it's still a crime.
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Pacifien wrote...
Sovereign did take out a turian cruiser by bulldozing straight through it, though.
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Nightwriter wrote...
I agree. I do get the feeling he is in it for himself. If TIM were faced with a situation in which the absolute best thing for humanity was for him to step down and cede full control of Cerberus and the Cerberus cause to another leader, would he?
It was at least gross negligence as the Quarians began to program the geth for more and more complex tasks. Regardless of intention, the developement of AI was a crime and it wasn't only a few Quarians who had a hand in it but an institutionalized system promoted by the Quarians. If they hadn't panicked and issued that order, they could have averted the Morning War, they could have simply gone down to the Citadel or heaven forbid pay the Geth a meager wage for their labor.Shandepared wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
But they still broke the law even if no is sure how it happened. Which is why they lost their embassy on the Citadel. If you kill someone without intending to kill them, it's still a crime.
Yeah, but its manlsaughter instead of murder and in fact it may not be a crime. It depends largely whether or not the person's death was the result of negligence on your part.
Were the quarian engineers who designed the geth negligent? It's quite possible. It was extremely sadistic to judge the entire species that way though.
I mean, you do realize that a species is comprised of individuals, right? The overwhelming majority of quarians had nothing to do with designing the geth nor with the order to shut them down (which was reasonable decision by the government anyway). Yet you're quite content to judge their entire species worthy of extermination.
That's pretty harsh.
Do you not consider quarians alive? At least I don't consider the geth anything but machines.
Go back to the "Cerberus is Humanity!" quote that TIM gives. He only gives a **** about Humanity because he can use it to gain more power for himself. If he thinks he can gain more power by selling humanity out then he'll be on that Faster than you can say "Jacob is interesting"ShadowJ20 wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I agree. I do get the feeling he is in it for himself. If TIM were faced with a situation in which the absolute best thing for humanity was for him to step down and cede full control of Cerberus and the Cerberus cause to another leader, would he?
No I don't think he would give up full control. I think if you gave him the base at the end dialgoue he says something like "Shepard you need me!" He would only step down IF he still was a major factor in decision making. Then again that's not really stepping down or giving up full control. He seems like a guy who doesn't want to be left out.
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Sajuro wrote...
...heaven forbid pay the Geth a meager wage for their labor.
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It was at least gross negligence as the Quarians began to program the geth for more and more complex tasks. Regardless of intention, the developement of AI was a crime and it wasn't only a few Quarians who had a hand in it but an institutionalized system promoted by the Quarians. If they hadn't panicked and issued that order, they could have averted the Morning War, they could have simply gone down to the Citadel or heaven forbid pay the Geth a meager wage for their labor.
And of course I consider the Quarians alive, they are one of my favorite races but that doesn't mean I ignore how badly they ****ed up when it came to the geth. I'm all for the Quarians to get their homeworld back since they shouldn't suffer for what their ancestors did but War or Re-enslaving the geth would only lead to more pointless suffering.
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Sajuro wrote...
Go back to the "Cerberus is Humanity!" quote that TIM gives. He only gives a **** about Humanity because he can use it to gain more power for himself. If he thinks he can gain more power by selling humanity out then he'll be on that Faster than you can say "Jacob is interesting"ShadowJ20 wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I agree. I do get the feeling he is in it for himself. If TIM were faced with a situation in which the absolute best thing for humanity was for him to step down and cede full control of Cerberus and the Cerberus cause to another leader, would he?
No I don't think he would give up full control. I think if you gave him the base at the end dialgoue he says something like "Shepard you need me!" He would only step down IF he still was a major factor in decision making. Then again that's not really stepping down or giving up full control. He seems like a guy who doesn't want to be left out.
It's stated that the geth live on platforms above the planets, and I think that Legion said they were taking care of planets. I really am hoping that the Geth and the Quarians can reconcile and that you could pull the council to recognize the Geth as a species of its own.ShadowJ20 wrote...
It was at least gross negligence as the Quarians began to program the geth for more and more complex tasks. Regardless of intention, the developement of AI was a crime and it wasn't only a few Quarians who had a hand in it but an institutionalized system promoted by the Quarians. If they hadn't panicked and issued that order, they could have averted the Morning War, they could have simply gone down to the Citadel or heaven forbid pay the Geth a meager wage for their labor.
And of course I consider the Quarians alive, they are one of my favorite races but that doesn't mean I ignore how badly they ****ed up when it came to the geth. I'm all for the Quarians to get their homeworld back since they shouldn't suffer for what their ancestors did but War or Re-enslaving the geth would only lead to more pointless suffering.
I'm hoping if you tell the quarians to push for peace and have the geth on your side then you can convince both sides to co-exist peacefully. Maybe even live together back on the Quarian homeworld. Or possibly convince the Geth to give back the Quarian homeworld back to the Quarians in exchange for another colonized home world. Maybe after saving the galaxy from the Reapers Shepard can finally get enough leverage on the council and convince the council and alliance to help funding for colonize another planet for the geth. Hoping one of these options exist if you play paragon.
There probably was something but then there was someone else who didn't want to have to pay for labor.Shandepared wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
...heaven forbid pay the Geth a meager wage for their labor.
Too bad the quarians didn't have someone as smart as you to guide them.
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Sajuro wrote...
There probably was something but then there was someone else who didn't want to have to pay for labor.
He's only for human dominance as long as he can gain power by it.ShadowJ20 wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
Go back to the "Cerberus is Humanity!" quote that TIM gives. He only gives a **** about Humanity because he can use it to gain more power for himself. If he thinks he can gain more power by selling humanity out then he'll be on that Faster than you can say "Jacob is interesting"ShadowJ20 wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I agree. I do get the feeling he is in it for himself. If TIM were faced with a situation in which the absolute best thing for humanity was for him to step down and cede full control of Cerberus and the Cerberus cause to another leader, would he?
No I don't think he would give up full control. I think if you gave him the base at the end dialgoue he says something like "Shepard you need me!" He would only step down IF he still was a major factor in decision making. Then again that's not really stepping down or giving up full control. He seems like a guy who doesn't want to be left out.
What do you mean exactly?
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Sajuro wrote...
He's only for human dominance as long as he can gain power by it.
Make them think they need status symbols, sell them space on better mobile platforms.Shandepared wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
There probably was something but then there was someone else who didn't want to have to pay for labor.
Paying machines for labor, brilliant. I wonder what the geth would buy with all that money?
Spinners. Decals. Xenon lights. Paint job. Supercharger.Shandepared wrote...
Paying machines for labor, brilliant. I wonder what the geth would buy with all that money?Sajuro wrote...
There probably was something but then there was someone else who didn't want to have to pay for labor.
a subscription to Galaxy of FantasyPacifien wrote...
Spinners. Decals. Xenon lights. Paint job. Supercharger.Shandepared wrote...
Paying machines for labor, brilliant. I wonder what the geth would buy with all that money?Sajuro wrote...
There probably was something but then there was someone else who didn't want to have to pay for labor.
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Well its hard since TIM and Cerberus touch on many issues and ideas to keep it focused.
I did think he was pretty cool until the end, and then:
TIM: Goes on a huge power trip, fist power bumps, and rants included.
ME: Backs away slowly.
Its wierd that he is so calm for most of the game, and yet when the end hits he gets rabid almost.
No, I think you might actually be right about him getting excited. Shep performed above the call of duty and made his way to the heart of the Collector base. If you kept the base, then it turns out better then ever could have expected. I say Shepard gets the choice whether to put a bullet in TIM's head and hunt down Cerb, or rather a Bullet in TIMs head and take over Cerb. If you kept the collector base and take over Cerb, you could use it to gain control of the Galaxy.Kroesis- wrote...
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Well its hard since TIM and Cerberus touch on many issues and ideas to keep it focused.
I did think he was pretty cool until the end, and then:
TIM: Goes on a huge power trip, fist power bumps, and rants included.
ME: Backs away slowly.
Its wierd that he is so calm for most of the game, and yet when the end hits he gets rabid almost.
He was probably elated that this cell managed to complete their mission! All joking aside, I'm with Cerberus but I still wary of TIM as it's obvious we only have little insight into his character. I still say Shepard for Cerberus leader in ME3.
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