I can not fully support a organisation that I know very little about. Cerberus hides and lies about their plans and operations from everyone, including Shepard, as much as they can.
How many people here are pro-cerberus?
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#377
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 04:55
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Asheer_Khan wrote...
harazal wrote...
I was very pro-cerebus, but i tend towards the right wing in politics. I'm not a big fan of committes talking problems to death. I've multiple shep's covering all the scenario's, and personally speaking, the way the council treats shep in any time line that they lived is pretty shabby. In the time lines where they died, i didn't like the allaince saying i was crazy after i died.
Cerebus gets the job done, and you cant argue with results.
Using latest US election slogan of current President...
YES WE CAN
Lol, using the slogan of the minority party: H*LL NO YOU CAN'T
jk. Cerberus gets results in the same way chopping of a limb does if you get shot in the hand.
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#378
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 05:44
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Reading Redemption, I'm losing more faith in Cerberus competence.
#379
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 06:34
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I find it almost patently impossible to be on Cerberus' side, except for the fact that A) they brought me back to life and gave me back a ship and a crew, and 
They're giving me the chance to help save people.
Other than that, they have a rather large list of crimes against them:
Akuze
This is arguably the most prominent crime on their list, seeing as it's possible they're directly responsible for luring the marines and the thresher maws together. Toombs claims this possibility is the truth, but at best, Cerberus knew where the marines were going and did nothing to stop them, wanting to observe and measure the result and outcome. The fact they then kidnap Toombs and experiment on him, probably for years, is just insult upon injury.
Admiral Kohoku
Another prominent crime in Cerberus' belt, they killed Kahoku for tracking them down, to keep him from exposing them (little good it did them, Shepard finds them and finishes the job). However, the apologists like to claim that Kahoku was either a traitor or a "security leak" (under this silly theory that Cerberus is still a part of the Alliance). But nowhere do the apologists explain the reasoning behind Cerberus purposefully luring his men out just so a thresher maw would ruin them. There's nothing of importance in that system, and unless Cerberus was trying to replicate Akuze, this action seems almost purely for the lulz.
Chasca, aka UNC: Colony Of The Dead
This one gets a lot of attention for the heavily debated fact of whether or not Cerberus was responsible for this, mostly due to the lack of information presented in-game to implicate them. However, the game explicitly states that Cerberus is responsible, meaning they had the Dragon's Teeth delivered to the colony with the intention of having every member of the colony turned into husks for study. Several logs speak of the Cerberus agent who was present who left, and finishing the mission nets you the message "Cerberus has a lot to answer for." There's really no way to argue against this.
Exogeni and the Thorian Creeper
The only possible way that Cerberus could've gotten Creepers is if they either have plants inside of Exogeni, or if Exogeni itself is one of Cerberus' corporate fronts. I'm inclined to believe the latter, because otherwise it makes almost no sense for Exogeni to do what they did. To purposefully use the colonists as a test group like that is massively unethical. Such a corporation trying that today would be committing corporate and financial suicide. Why then would Exogeni take the risk of their operations being uncovered and their entire company ruined? Not to mention there are several logs on the servers that talk about Cerberus.
The Rachni
Again, Cerberus sticking their fingers into something they shouldn't. Somehow samples from Noveria were taken and intended to be used in various experiments, but like anything Cerberus seems to do, it blew up in their face. While this isn't per say a crime so much as them being incredibly stupid, it's still a mark against them seeing as how horribly wrong this particular project went.
Mass Effect: Ascension
Yeah...Cerberus decides to go screw with the Migrant Fleet because TIM is worried about them having the biggest fleet of ships, and oh yeah, Grayson and his daughter, and infiltrating the Ascension Project. Wow, good one Cerberus, let's go around antagonizing ENTIRE alien races because they happen to have a lot of ships and made the geth, despite the fact most of those ships aren't probably meant strictly for combat!
Trident
The Cerberus Daily News reported back in January about a Cerberus Cell in the Terminus Systems which was experimenting with biotic-suppressants which had a number of incredibly nasty and potentially lethal side effects on humans AND aliens, dubbed the "torture den." On top of that, they decide to blow up police cars and kill law enforcement to spring one of their allies out of jail. Hard to deny you're terrorists now, huh?
Project Overlord
Sweet Jesus where to begin. Attempting to create a virus-like "figurehead" to control the geth as a means of attaining "bloodless victory" over a race (yes, the geth can likely be called a race all on it's own) that you learn latter only a small minority have any violent intentions, and for the most part simply want to be left alone. On top of that, you use an autistic man to power your new VI/AI/whatever-David-is-now regardless of the ethical issues with that, and then send me an email about how this'll set back our research (which isn't even necessary btw) by several decades...yeah, screw you TIM.
Tetlin/Pragia
Yeah, experimentation on humans is already a morally gray area approaching on black, let's just go full-black by experimenting on children, torturing them and killing them in order to decide what is or isn't a good procedure to use on one specific child (Jack aka Subject Zero) because she has incredible biotic powers that you gave her a result of earlier torture and experimentation, which was likely done of them for YEARS.
That about sums up their major crimes. Not to mention the fact TIM has to be one of the worse human resource management persons I've ever seen. He hires morally challenged people and throws money at them to solve a problem or research new tech. But when thing get ethically suspect or go straight down the crapper, TIM is quick to put up his hands and claim plausible deniability. This means at best, TIM is a grossly negligent supervisor who can't seem to hire anyone decent to save his own life, or he's intentionally choosing the ethically suspect individuals knowing full-well what will result, but claims to condemn it just so he doesn't look like a Complete Monster.
They're giving me the chance to help save people.Other than that, they have a rather large list of crimes against them:
Akuze
This is arguably the most prominent crime on their list, seeing as it's possible they're directly responsible for luring the marines and the thresher maws together. Toombs claims this possibility is the truth, but at best, Cerberus knew where the marines were going and did nothing to stop them, wanting to observe and measure the result and outcome. The fact they then kidnap Toombs and experiment on him, probably for years, is just insult upon injury.
Admiral Kohoku
Another prominent crime in Cerberus' belt, they killed Kahoku for tracking them down, to keep him from exposing them (little good it did them, Shepard finds them and finishes the job). However, the apologists like to claim that Kahoku was either a traitor or a "security leak" (under this silly theory that Cerberus is still a part of the Alliance). But nowhere do the apologists explain the reasoning behind Cerberus purposefully luring his men out just so a thresher maw would ruin them. There's nothing of importance in that system, and unless Cerberus was trying to replicate Akuze, this action seems almost purely for the lulz.
Chasca, aka UNC: Colony Of The Dead
This one gets a lot of attention for the heavily debated fact of whether or not Cerberus was responsible for this, mostly due to the lack of information presented in-game to implicate them. However, the game explicitly states that Cerberus is responsible, meaning they had the Dragon's Teeth delivered to the colony with the intention of having every member of the colony turned into husks for study. Several logs speak of the Cerberus agent who was present who left, and finishing the mission nets you the message "Cerberus has a lot to answer for." There's really no way to argue against this.
Exogeni and the Thorian Creeper
The only possible way that Cerberus could've gotten Creepers is if they either have plants inside of Exogeni, or if Exogeni itself is one of Cerberus' corporate fronts. I'm inclined to believe the latter, because otherwise it makes almost no sense for Exogeni to do what they did. To purposefully use the colonists as a test group like that is massively unethical. Such a corporation trying that today would be committing corporate and financial suicide. Why then would Exogeni take the risk of their operations being uncovered and their entire company ruined? Not to mention there are several logs on the servers that talk about Cerberus.
The Rachni
Again, Cerberus sticking their fingers into something they shouldn't. Somehow samples from Noveria were taken and intended to be used in various experiments, but like anything Cerberus seems to do, it blew up in their face. While this isn't per say a crime so much as them being incredibly stupid, it's still a mark against them seeing as how horribly wrong this particular project went.
Mass Effect: Ascension
Yeah...Cerberus decides to go screw with the Migrant Fleet because TIM is worried about them having the biggest fleet of ships, and oh yeah, Grayson and his daughter, and infiltrating the Ascension Project. Wow, good one Cerberus, let's go around antagonizing ENTIRE alien races because they happen to have a lot of ships and made the geth, despite the fact most of those ships aren't probably meant strictly for combat!
Trident
The Cerberus Daily News reported back in January about a Cerberus Cell in the Terminus Systems which was experimenting with biotic-suppressants which had a number of incredibly nasty and potentially lethal side effects on humans AND aliens, dubbed the "torture den." On top of that, they decide to blow up police cars and kill law enforcement to spring one of their allies out of jail. Hard to deny you're terrorists now, huh?
Project Overlord
Sweet Jesus where to begin. Attempting to create a virus-like "figurehead" to control the geth as a means of attaining "bloodless victory" over a race (yes, the geth can likely be called a race all on it's own) that you learn latter only a small minority have any violent intentions, and for the most part simply want to be left alone. On top of that, you use an autistic man to power your new VI/AI/whatever-David-is-now regardless of the ethical issues with that, and then send me an email about how this'll set back our research (which isn't even necessary btw) by several decades...yeah, screw you TIM.
Tetlin/Pragia
Yeah, experimentation on humans is already a morally gray area approaching on black, let's just go full-black by experimenting on children, torturing them and killing them in order to decide what is or isn't a good procedure to use on one specific child (Jack aka Subject Zero) because she has incredible biotic powers that you gave her a result of earlier torture and experimentation, which was likely done of them for YEARS.
That about sums up their major crimes. Not to mention the fact TIM has to be one of the worse human resource management persons I've ever seen. He hires morally challenged people and throws money at them to solve a problem or research new tech. But when thing get ethically suspect or go straight down the crapper, TIM is quick to put up his hands and claim plausible deniability. This means at best, TIM is a grossly negligent supervisor who can't seem to hire anyone decent to save his own life, or he's intentionally choosing the ethically suspect individuals knowing full-well what will result, but claims to condemn it just so he doesn't look like a Complete Monster.
#380
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 07:14
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Pro Cerberus.
A great Empire we shall have!
A great Empire we shall have!
#381
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 07:25
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The council plays it insanely safe. Cerberus rides the tiger. They aren't so much evil as utterly dismissive of the consquences. They don't kill kids for kicks. But they will carefully ignore a "rogue" project because it delivers results. Sounds like what most governments do today, actually.
#382
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 06:00
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Until a band of quirky teenagers and ewoks blow up the Collector Base a second time.Peer of the Empire wrote...
Pro Cerberus.
A great Empire we shall have!
#383
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 06:20
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Im pro-Cerberus, but Im also a little like Jacob. I don't agree with everything they do.
But I do want Humanity as the dominant race. All other races just whine and complain. Hell, the original council almost doomed the galaxy. F*CK' EM, and f*ck the Alliance too, they called Shepard a liar and left him for dead.
But I do want Humanity as the dominant race. All other races just whine and complain. Hell, the original council almost doomed the galaxy. F*CK' EM, and f*ck the Alliance too, they called Shepard a liar and left him for dead.
#384
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 06:24
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uhhh....not exactly pro but not anti either.... I'm all for galactic cooperation...but after the events of ME2 I don't have much faith in Alliance/Council either...cept Anderson really
So I suppose if they stopped less extremist methods I'd be ok with them....
Not that I'm ready to jump back under Alliance command either...
So I suppose if they stopped less extremist methods I'd be ok with them....
Not that I'm ready to jump back under Alliance command either...
#385
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 06:33
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I don't have faith in ANY of the major Mass Effect organizations.
You know what I DO have faith in? Joker's ability to pilot a ship, and my squad's ability to kill things and blow sh*t up.
I want to work as a vigilante group, with noone outside the Normandy being directly with me.
As far as everyone else is considered, they can either be my cannon fodder against the reapers, or they can get f*cked.
You know what I DO have faith in? Joker's ability to pilot a ship, and my squad's ability to kill things and blow sh*t up.
I want to work as a vigilante group, with noone outside the Normandy being directly with me.
As far as everyone else is considered, they can either be my cannon fodder against the reapers, or they can get f*cked.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 05:14
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I'm definitely pro-Cerberus.
The Illusive Man's got the right idea.
The Illusive Man's got the right idea.
#389
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 10:07
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Putting myself in the ME universe, I would believe in human superiority. My desire would be to ensure that humanity is at the top scientifically, politically, economically, and militarily. In that sense I guess I would side with Cerberus. I don't however agree with their methods. Abusing children, doing experiments on living subjects, treating life as expendable, assassinations, sabotage, etc...
The problem is that Cerberus wants human dominance not superiority. In no situation should any one race be in total control of anything. Not turians, not asari, not hanar, not humans. A galactic community would need to be represented by all races. The player gets a glimpse of the problem caused by races lording over others in the form of the council races. The council rules with only their own concerns in mind with little regard for others. To be a truly unifed galaxy they would need to include every race... Including batarians.
The problem is that Cerberus wants human dominance not superiority. In no situation should any one race be in total control of anything. Not turians, not asari, not hanar, not humans. A galactic community would need to be represented by all races. The player gets a glimpse of the problem caused by races lording over others in the form of the council races. The council rules with only their own concerns in mind with little regard for others. To be a truly unifed galaxy they would need to include every race... Including batarians.
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Posté 29 juillet 2010 - 12:02
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Hard to argue with what any of RiouHotaru said. Not like I would anyway mind you.
Strange to see so many people being pro-Cerberus and all considering thay they are in a way a future version of **** terrorists i.e ideas of 'inferior' races and domiance and the rogue status coupled with.....questionalbe ethics, also willing to kill their own people ect. That wasn't just a random slur.
Strange to see so many people being pro-Cerberus and all considering thay they are in a way a future version of **** terrorists i.e ideas of 'inferior' races and domiance and the rogue status coupled with.....questionalbe ethics, also willing to kill their own people ect. That wasn't just a random slur.
#391
Posté 29 juillet 2010 - 02:42
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Not after reading mass effect Retribution
#392
Posté 29 juillet 2010 - 02:55
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Yeah, after Retribution, this just got ridiculous. Actually, honestly I'm going to take this stuff and make a separate topic.
#393
Posté 29 juillet 2010 - 03:49
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i dont understand how a person could be pro cerberus and say screw aliens.
the crew is full of aliens like tali and garrus and i dont think they would fight for just humanity
the crew is full of aliens like tali and garrus and i dont think they would fight for just humanity
