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[chapa3]

Cerberus is a political atom bomb, and some of the things they done really step over the line (Singapore station especcially). Although, I'm sure the other races have similar clandestine organizations. STGs are a good example.

Modifié par chapa3, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:26 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Caesar914 wrote...

I agree with the advancement of humanity but not at the cost of other species.

not the cost of anyone of any species period... minimum to zero casualties of anyone... 

[Spectre_907]

I am a Spectre. Galactic stability is my only concern. Not human interests and not Cerberus.

[Simpfan]

Shandepared wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

How would you feel if a group of uppity people showed up, demanded things they hadnt earned, when things got tough allowed your government to be killed while they saved themselves, and then placed themselves in the new government that was rebuilt after?

I wouldn't be so arrogant to claim that species must "earn" its place anywhere. Everyone has the right to whatever they can grab and hold on to. Nothing more, nothing less. Humanity took power because it could and it holds onto power because it can.

And that sort of attitude is why aliens are hostile to you

[chapa3]

Shandepared wrote...

I wouldn't be so arrogant to claim that species must "earn" its place anywhere. Everyone has the right to whatever they can grab and hold on to. Nothing more, nothing less. Humanity took power because it could and it holds onto power because it can.

I agree with the logic, just you must also factor in relationships with other species. How you earn power can be the difference between lasting peace and violent war.

[NanQuan]

My initial reaction to finding out that Cerberus had rebuilt Shepard was "Really? WTF?! All of your bases explode around me? Is this a good idea?" It seemed in the first game that they had a hand in just about every shady sidequest. I spent way too much time killing their operatives to let bygones be bygones.



I like TIM very much as a character, and while he sold me on the need for someone to protect humanities interest, I still think he takes it too far. I read all his little reports after missions and didn't appreciate a lot of his "observations." He's constantly working behind my back which means I can't trust him.



As for human dominance, I don't care so much about conflicts with asari, turians, and salarians because I figure they can take care of themselves and are never truly threatened. But I do have a problem with bullying the Krogans (my favorite species), Quarians, Elcor, Volus (even if they're kinda a joke), etc. I'm big on self determination and humanity or any other species can't make decisions for everyone else.

[Rzepik2]

My Shepard supports Cerberus.

I don't want to be ungrateful... They gave me new life, new ship and a promiscuous secretary.

[Freakaz0idx]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

I'm pro human, not pro-cerberus. I told garrus at the collector base that I knew TIM would double-cross me. I stuck it to him at the end, and I plan on taking my services to South Beach back to the Alliance.

I think you and I are the only people on this website that understand that joke in your post.

Modifié par Freakaz0idx, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:40 .

[Spornicus]

Cerberus gets the job done. 'Nuff said.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Rzepik2 wrote...

My Shepard supports Cerberus.
I don't want to be ungrateful... They gave me new life, new ship and a promiscuous secretary.

:?major plothole... that's like agent smith taking credit for Neo's coming back to lifeness when he's the one who killed him... 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Spornicus wrote...

Cerberus gets the job done. 'Nuff said.

 with major casualties and coincidences... 

[chapa3]

Actually, and also according to the Treaty of Farixen, which limit the number of dreadnaughts each nation can build, the Turians, Salarians, and Asari combined, with their dreadnaught superiority (and their colony and outpost superiority), as well as the tech superiority of the STGs, humanity isn't exactly that powerful compared to others. Its more like America, England, Russia, and Brazil in terms of economy and military. If even two of the council races could mobilize against another race, they could win with moderate losses.

[Inverness Moon]

MadCat221 wrote...

One would have to be as naive as the paragonic players they accuse that of to not see that Cerberus's goals are thinly veiled human supremism.

Cerberus wants humans to be the dominant force in the galaxy, etc. That does not necessarily have to come at the expense of other species, so I see nothing wrong with it.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I am very pro-Cerberus. A group of people has to take care of their own. Humans were not allowed an embassy and eventually a spot/lead on the council because of their great inter-special relations. They were given respect because they demanded it by military and economic strength. All species will view themselves as more important than others no matter how much they want to deny it. Every species is in it for themselves so I find it self-destructive not to support a group pushing for advancement of my own species. If humans don't look out for themselves, no one will.

Modifié par Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:48 .

[Freakaz0idx]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Spornicus wrote...

Cerberus gets the job done. 'Nuff said.

 with major casualties and coincidences... 

Cerberus, major casualties now, Alliance, ridiculous casualties later. Pick your poison.

[Rzepik2]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Rzepik2 wrote...

My Shepard supports Cerberus.
I don't want to be ungrateful... They gave me new life, new ship and a promiscuous secretary.

:?major plothole... that's like agent smith taking credit for Neo's coming back to lifeness when he's the one who killed him... 

Bad comparison. TIM doesn't want to kill Shepard, he wants to cooperate. Well, unless you will blow up the base.

Modifié par Rzepik2, 22 juillet 2010 - 08:04 .

[Inverness Moon]

chapa3 wrote...

Actually, and also according to the Treaty of Farixen, which limit the number of dreadnaughts each nation can build, the Turians, Salarians, and Asari combined, with their dreadnaught superiority (and their colony and outpost superiority), as well as the tech superiority of the STGs, humanity isn't exactly that powerful compared to others. Its more like America, England, Russia, and Brazil in terms of economy and military. If even two of the council races could mobilize against another race, they could win with moderate losses.

But see, that is a weakness. If for the rest of the Council species, it is a numbers game with more dreadnoughts meaning more power, then the human thing to do would be to change the rules of the game.

Back during World War II, having a lot of troops, tanks, etc. meant something, up until we invented the nuke. The Alliance or Cerberus needs to do something that makes the number of dreadnoughts the rest of the council species have irrelevant.

[chapa3]

Shandepared wrote...


We've already done that with our carriers and stealth frigates.

The stealth frigates were co-designed with the Turians if I recall correctly. Maybe for those that saved the collectors base, that could be their "nuke".

[Alpha-Centuri]

Freakaz0idx wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

I'm pro human, not pro-cerberus. I told garrus at the collector base that I knew TIM would double-cross me. I stuck it to him at the end, and I plan on taking my services to South Beach back to the Alliance.

I think you and I are the only people on this website that understand that joke in your post.

Wrong crowd .

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

 If humans don't look out for themselves, no one will.

I certainly agree. But there is a line to be drawn between a shadow ops group that amount to terrorists, and another structure like the Alliance, which by its very nature of existing is pro-human.

[Inverness Moon]

chapa3 wrote...

The stealth frigates were co-designed with the Turians if I recall correctly. Maybe for those that saved the collectors base, that could be their "nuke".

Exactly what I was thinking.

Carriers and stealth frigates aren't nearly enough to change the game.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 22 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I am very pro-Cerberus. A group of people has to take care of their own. Humans were not allowed an embassy and eventually a spot/lead on the council because of their great inter-special relations. They were given respect because they demanded it by military and economic strength. All species will view themselves as more important than others no matter how much they want to deny it. Every species is in it for themselves so I find it self-destructive not to support a group pushing for advancement of my own species. If humans don't look out for themselves, no one will.

Well said.

People forget that international organizations are in place primarily to further the goals of the individual members in as peaceful a solution as possible. The same applies for intergalatic organizations. The asari, salarians, and turians are merely trying to get as close as they can to furthering their own aims without having to go into open war to do it. They don't care about the volus, the batarians, the hanar, the drell, the elcor, or any other species out there that is in Citadel Space but not an actual member of the council. These species aren't Council races because they allow themselves to sit there and play to the tune of the Council that doesn't even really care about them. Humanity was only different because it showed it's political, military, and economic might to the Council head on and made the Council realize that if they didn't listen, it could result in open war.

Cerberus is doing the exact samething that the Council is doing for humanity once we become members after the first game, the only difference is that solutions will take a lot less time when coming from Cerberus because Cerberus doesn't mind if it gets its hand dirty. It doesn't have to concern itself with political and diplomatic resolutions that the Alliance has to handle. Solutions from Cerberus are more direct and more efficient.

I support Cerberus.