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[Inverness Moon]

Nightwriter wrote...

Lol.

Having principles is not the same thing as being naive, contrary to some of my opponents' thinking.

I agree with Miranda that we need a group like the salarian STG or the asari commandos. We need muscle. We need to defend ourselves. But it should not be Cerberus.

It should be a group that solidifies our formidableness and looks out for human safety and human protection, not human safety and human protection + human domination.

We need a Stargate Command, if you will. Someone out there defending us and acquiring new technologies, but also not trying to take over the universe.

You think Cerberus is trying to take over the universe? If so, then methinks you should just drop out of this discussion immediately, since you don't know what you're talking about.

[Giggles_Manically]

Cerberus wants dominance in their corner, not over the galaxy.



As much as I hate that little Turdweasel TIM, not even he is dumb enough to antagonize the rest of the galaxy.

[Nightwriter]

Inverness Moon wrote...

You think Cerberus is trying to take over the universe? If so, then methinks you should just drop out of this discussion immediately, since you don't know what you're talking about.

Nah, I think the people I'm arguing with (Shand) support Cerberus because they support human domination.

And yes, I think the Illusive Man's desire for human promotion does rather exceed what is healthy. "We can use this, Shepard! Against the Reapers and BEYOND!!"

Really, I think we should all settle down before we start telling each other to drop out of arguments. Can't we have a civil discussion?

[klf]

I sora was. Until I found out they were the people who set my squad up on Akuze. But for some reason my shep doesn't care about that

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

You think Cerberus is trying to take over the universe? If so, then methinks you should just drop out of this discussion immediately, since you don't know what you're talking about.

We should be so lucky.

You inflict your presence on us, why can't I inflict my presence on you?

Turnabout's fair play, and all that.

TIM would approve of my ruthlessness. Mwahaha.

[Giggles_Manically]

This song seems appropriate for Cerberus:



Especially the part :Now the science gets done and we get a neat gun, for the people who are still alive.

[Inverness Moon]

Nightwriter wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

You think Cerberus is trying to take over the universe? If so, then methinks you should just drop out of this discussion immediately, since you don't know what you're talking about.

Nah, I think the people I'm arguing with (Shand) support Cerberus because they support human domination.

And yes, I think the Illusive Man's desire for human promotion does rather exceed what is healthy. "We can use this, Shepard! Against the Reapers and BEYOND!!"

Really, I think we should all settle down before we start telling each other to drop out of arguments. Can't we have a civil discussion?

I like civil discussions, but I also like intelligent ones.

Cerberus wanting human domination does not mean they want to take over the galaxy. It means they want humanity to be the dominant power in the galaxy so that they have little to fear from other species that might threaten humanity. I'm pretty sure that Shandepared understands this.

And what TIM means by the reapers and beyond is that it would be foolish to think that the reapers are the last or only threat to humanity out there.

[Nightwriter]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

This song seems appropriate for Cerberus:



Especially the part :Now the science gets done and we get a neat gun, for the people who are still alive.

Omg.

There are no words.

[Giggles_Manically]

Glados is the ULTIMATE video game villian.



You will be baked and then there will be cake.



HUH?

[maegi46]

You people against Cerberus seem to be forgetting the Reapers. To hell with raising ourselves up to lofty "let's get along and hold hands with everyone" mentality with the Reapers still coming. Cerberus, whether you like them or not is doing what MUST be done right now. We don't have time to evaluate every decision and put it to a vote with the council and make sure no one is offended by research or people dying to mass accelerate our outcomes. We have been given a warning no one else has ever gotten, that we know of. The Protheans had no warning, but left us one. We have to develop tech ASAP that will be effective at stopping and killing the Reaper threat, when that threat is dealt with , then you can go back and hang TIM and Cerberus for saving your asses. Not that it would make sense to crucify your savior, but hey the Romans did it, if you buy christianity BS propaganda.

TIM is willing to do what is necessary and that is to find a way to save the galaxy, which in turn means saving ALL species, not just humans. I think as other pro Cerberus posters have already said, that TIM wants humanity to always have an edge over the other species, not rule over them. He is not stupid, he will not want to provoke the entire galaxy into hating humans and have an all out war with them. He just wants to ensure our survival and our place as at least equals in the universe. The Council turned their backs on humans more than once. They refused to defend the Terminus colonies and they refused to accept the Reaper threat. Humans have to look out for humans first, the rest of the species can look out for themselves or just cease to exist. It's called the natural order. Reapers are imposing their version of that on all species unless we find a way to stop them.

TIM didn't ask for permission to fight the reapers, he's just doing it. No one else was going to do it. Whether you agree with him or not or his methods is really a moot point. You and all the other species you claim to love so much will all be dead if not for Cerberus efforts , and who knows that might still happen in ME3 although I doubt it. Because in my game I had enough sense to see this threat as a real one and save the Collector base. To me that was the whole point of ME2, we finally have something we can use that will hurt the Reapers. If saving the galaxy means thousands might die for the research to do it, I say it's well worth it to save trillions of lives. This very point was brought up in ME 1 with Anderson when he told you about Saren being willing to kill 1000 people to save a planet and asked if you would do the same.

Now if there was a way to save the galaxy and not kill anyone, sure I'd be all about that. But frankly, that's like believing that Candyland is reality. Wars costs lives, Reapers will take all life as we know it unless we are willing to do whatever it takes to stop them. That my friends, is exactly what Cerberus and the Alliance is all about. The humans that so many of you seem to hate being a part of, will be the key force in stopping them as soon as we can convince the other species that the Reapers do indeed exist despite the claims of the council. The council tries to represent itself as being all about the galaxy's well being and yet denies the biggest threat to all of the galaxy? How ironic is that?

Modifié par maegi46, 22 juillet 2010 - 10:05 .

[DPSSOC]

Nightwriter wrote...
Nah, I think the people I'm arguing with (Shand) support Cerberus because they support human domination.

This is part of why I support Cerberus.  In the ME Universe we need someone pushing for human dominance, we need Udina and Cerberus because the only viable alternative is Council dominance and the Council has shown they don't care about anything outside their little bubble.

Someone needs to stand up and call the Council on their BS and only humanity appears to be in a position to do so, but we can't do that, can't force them to change to something more fair, if we agree to play their game by their rules.

Another reason I'm pro-Cerberus is because they encourage the Council to make concessions to humanity without us having to make concessions to them.  A violent pro-human group with the ability, will, and resources to simply take what they want makes brow-beating the Alliance less appealing and less effective because eventually the Alliance is going to get fed up with it and turn to Cerberus (not openly of course) and say, "What have you got for us?"  Obviously hiumanity still needs to make some concessions but they won't be nearly as onerous as they might have been.

I'm not saying humanity should dominate but neither should they accept a status quo that gains them nothing.

Nightwriter wrote...
And yes, I think the Illusive Man's desire for human promotion does rather exceed what is healthy. "We can use this, Shepard! Against the Reapers and BEYOND!!"

In defence of his word choice there's always going to be another threat, it's ridiculous to think that the universe will unite under a shining rainbow in a field of bunnies and unicorns just because the Reapers are gone.  TIM's being realistic.  Crazy, xenophobic, and power hungry perhaps, but realistic.

As a wise Jedi once said, "There's always a bigger fish."

Nightwriter wrote...
Can't we have a civil discussion?

NEVER!!!!!!!!!

[ADLegend21]

I'm like Jacob, as long as Cerberus isn't trying to do a mass genocide, or doing things the wrong way I'm with them, but if they get out of line I shut their **** down like Project Overlord. TIM's smart and he's got connections so i just keep him around for info.

[Tooneyman]

I've got a bout 2 characters who are pro cerberus so I would have to say "YES!" me in general. I'm not biast! I support all causes.

[FlyinElk212]

I wanna punch the Turian Counselor in the face. I choose whatever team that is.

[Tooneyman]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I wanna punch the Turian Counselor in the face. I choose whatever team that is.

No, no, no your not thinking hard enough. You want to pull a garrus on a Harken. Shooten in the leg!

[Sajuro]

Nightwriter wrote...

Really, I think we should all settle down before we start telling each other to drop out of arguments. Can't we have a civil discussion?

Civil discussion about Cerb, in a bioware forum? lol

[Captain Crash]

Poll needed here!



And for a long while I was anti Cerberus. But the other species in the Galaxy arnt exactly pro human....



I think its a love hate thing

[SizzlinKola]

Tooneyman wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I wanna punch the Turian Counselor in the face. I choose whatever team that is.

No, no, no your not thinking hard enough. You want to pull a garrus on a Harken. Shooten in the leg!

It'd be more badass to headbutt him. Anderson headbutted a Turian.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I may be mostly renegade but i'm not pro-cerberus but i'm also not anti-cerberus.

Their long term intentions confuse me but i'm fine with them at the moment since they seem to be one of the few powerful people who understand the Reaper threat. And Jesus Christ the guy brought me back to life! I should be thankful, and he's paying me a hell of alot of money.
If I could however, i'd leave if they did anything I didn't like and so far they haven't really.

I kept the collector base. Cerberus or not it will benefit the galaxy greatly in knowlage of the Reapers and how to stop them (even though I have a plan. It involves massive EMPs and Thanix Cannons.)

[Barquiel]

DPSSOC wrote...

it's ridiculous to think that the universe will unite under a shining rainbow in a field of bunnies and unicorns

Why not?

For example, after 300 years of...
http://en.wikipedia....h–German_enmity
we have rainbows and bunnies now (...or the european union^_^)

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Barquiel wrote...

Why not?

For example, after 300 years of...
http://en.wikipedia....h–German_enmity
we have rainbows and bunnies now (...or the european union^_^)

oh my god, please tell me you're kidding...

[Sajuro]

Inverness Moon wrote...


And what TIM means by the reapers and beyond is that it would be foolish to think that the reapers are the last or only threat to humanity out there.

Ah yes, threats
The Turians: They took over Shanxi and they might attack us again.. attack!
The Salarians: They could make bio-weapons and use them against us... attack!
The Batarians: They're slavers and North Korea in space.... attack!
The Elcor: They can carry cannons on their backs... attack!
The Krogan: They are all violent! attack!
The Volus: They're allied with the turians... attack!
The Vorcha: enough said... attack!
The Asari: they are seducing humans... attack!
Alien Sympathizers: They undermine Cerberus Human strength... attack!

[Giggles_Manically]

[Kylize]

i dont know where i am with this. cerberus' methods can be extreme but in the end they have good intentions. unlike the alliance, cerberus acts incredibly fast when dealing with human concerns. they sound all good, but they hate our loveable alien friedns (garrus, tali, thane, etc). so im half way on their boat.