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[Barquiel]

Sajuro wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

We need a covert operations group as much as the salarians and asari do. Just because we're clever enough to publicly disavow knowledge and support of ours doesn't mean they're a bad thing. We have the Corsairs if we need to toss the Council a bone, let Cerberus do the work we need done.

Though the Salarians and Asari special forces seem to be better liked than Cerberus so they don't need to be declared rogue

Well, salarian STGs and asari commandos answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual (with creepy eyes) who is accountable to no one.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Barquiel wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

We need a covert operations group as much as the salarians and asari do. Just because we're clever enough to publicly disavow knowledge and support of ours doesn't mean they're a bad thing. We have the Corsairs if we need to toss the Council a bone, let Cerberus do the work we need done.

Though the Salarians and Asari special forces seem to be better liked than Cerberus so they don't need to be declared rogue

Well, salarian STGs and asari commandos answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual (with creepy eyes) who is accountable to no one.

I don't know why, but I literally laughed out loud at that one.

[Kitteh303]

I wouldn't want humanity in charge. By and large, we're a bunch of morons.

[pprrff]

May be Cerbrus was needed in the past, but obviously humanity decided that they were better off without it, hence the severing of the tie with Cerbrus. Unless there is some big reveal in the next game that shows Cerbrus is still part of the alliance, I still maintian that Cerbrus is a traitorous group to both human and the citadel species in general. If your duly elected governemtn decided that you have gone too far and try to shut you down, you don't go rogue and murder an admiral and still claim you are working to better humanity. 

I don't know if the comparison with the STG is accurate, since STG still answers to the council. It was implied in the first game that the STG was another arm of the council that get sent to do mssions that spectres are not suited. Whatever actions STG had done obviously wasn't so bad that the salarians had to disavow it. In fact, the Salarians gladly embrace their STG and no one in the galaxy has a problem with that. Cerbrus on the other hand is despise by all legal governments, and their actions are so bad that the alliance are too embarassed to be associate with them.

[Serpenttt92]

Pro-Cerberus

[biomag]

Anti Cerberus, but not an Alien-are-so-nice-Humans-are-monsters. People here whine about how outrageous humanity is, at the same time ignore the genocide of the rachni, krogan, leaving the migrant fleet poor and without help and so on and on... As Alenko said: They are saints and jerks like us.



Basically I simply don't have a favorite race that I would support instead of others. Stability and progression of the whole community must be the motivation and goals of any Spectre.

[Zulu_DFA]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
- They unleased husk-creation technology on a remote pioneer team, resulting in husks. Purpose unknown. Fate of the research cell: unknown, assumed operational.

Incorrect.

Personal intensity doesn't make it true.

Exactly.

Christmas Ape wrote...
Cite your source?

Mass Effect.

And yours?

[Christmas Ape]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
- They unleased husk-creation technology on a remote pioneer team, resulting in husks. Purpose unknown. Fate of the research cell: unknown, assumed operational.

Incorrect.

Personal intensity doesn't make it true.

Exactly.

Christmas Ape wrote...
Cite your source?

Mass Effect.
And yours?

<_<


I'm going to pretend I didn't even respond the first time.

[DPSSOC]

wulf3n wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...
It can be denied quite easily with common sense that his goal isn't to conquer the galaxy.

Please do!

TIM want's humanities safetey, how much safer can you get than having no other species to compete with.

Remarkably.  If humanity has the power to wipe out all other races then we're officially the most dangerous entity in the universe.  Human history shows that when we don't have someone else to fight, we fight our own.  So what kind of damage do you think a group capable of wiping out at least 3 other sapient races could do to itself?  The safest option would be to achieve a MAD balance of power between the Council and humanity (unless you could cause a schism between the Council races allowing you to balance with the individual species).

[Zulu_DFA]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
- They unleased husk-creation technology on a remote pioneer team, resulting in husks. Purpose unknown. Fate of the research cell: unknown, assumed operational.

Incorrect.

Personal intensity doesn't make it true.

Exactly.

Christmas Ape wrote...
Cite your source?

Mass Effect.
And yours?

<_<


I'm going to pretend I didn't even respond the first time.

Care to explain?

You see, there is no "incriminating evidence" whatsoever against Cerberus, designating them as "perpetrators" instead of just ignorant witnesses on this particular instance of Chaska colony. Other than the popular hatred for them, that is. Like, you know, in case of Socrates: he wasn't found guilty of violating any of Athens' laws, but the mob wanted him dead, so a new law with retro active force was invented specifically for him and he died. Or of Jesus Christ: Pontius Pilatus thought that he was innocent, but the mob wanted him dead, so, WTH, who needs due process anyway? Panem et circenses!!! Totally justified, in-game and IRL, I say, but when we here on a real life game forum discuss the in-game fictional facts, why does it hurt so much to get them straight?

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
- They unleased husk-creation technology on a remote pioneer team, resulting in husks. Purpose unknown. Fate of the research cell: unknown, assumed operational.

Incorrect.

Personal intensity doesn't make it true.

Exactly.

Christmas Ape wrote...
Cite your source?

Mass Effect.
And yours?

<_<


I'm going to pretend I didn't even respond the first time.

Care to explain?

You see, there is no "incriminating evidence" whatsoever against Cerberus, designating them as "perpetrators" instead of just ignorant witnesses on this particular instance of Chaska colony. Other than the popular hatred for them, that is. Like, you know, in case of Socrates: he wasn't found guilty of violating any of Athens' laws, but the mob wanted him dead, so a new law with retro active force was invented specifically for him and he died. Or of Jesus Christ: Pontius Pilatus thought that he was innocent, but the mob wanted him dead, so, WTH, who needs due process anyway? Panem et circenses!!! Totally justified, in-game and IRL, I say, but when we here on a real life game forum discuss the in-game fictional facts, why does it hurt so much to get them straight?

What was Project Overlord?

[Burdokva]

I'm pro-human, if that should even be taken as anything other than a given. Saying otherwise would be a complete hypocrisy. Throughout the entire history of mankind people have turned against each other on far lesser things than a completely different racial, cultural and religious background. I find it extremely hard to believe even those who support alien cooperation (in a game) would react in the same way if real aliens existed and their interests were even remotely divergent to those of humanity.

[Inverness Moon]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Cerberus are foolish. I'm heavily renegade and as such don't mind their methods. I just don't like their agenda. I don't want a galactic human empire.

Cerberus doesn't either, so I don't see where the problem is.

Oh, and what evidence do you have of this? Even if he explicitly went out and said that it wasn't his goal, I'd still not believe it. He's not exactly up front with his motives and ambitions. Humanity first is vauge at best. Whats the best way to ensure humanity comes first, forever and always? Rule the known galaxy and/or wipe out any resistance. It's what I'd do.

First of all, he isn't going to want to rule the galaxy because for humanity to control all that territory also means that we'd be responsible for defending it and maintaining our control over it, which would be quite the difficult thing to do (assuming it is possible) for what gain? TIM also said himself that maintaining power is quite a bit more difficult than seizing it. Us ruling the galaxy (or attempting genocide) also means that we'd have nearly every species out there hating our guts, which would inspire rebellion and would probably not making them hesitate in deploying biological weapons like the genophage or planet-busting weapons.

Do you think TIM, the one who claims to be the human survivalist, wants to do something that would turn the whole galaxy against humanity? No.

If we achieve the human dominance that TIM envisions, other races would fear the consequences of attacking humanity based on what we could do to them if they started ****. You know, speak softly and carry a big stick? TIM wants us to have the biggest stick. Humanity is already considered a sleeping giant at this point.

[maegi46]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
- They unleased husk-creation technology on a remote pioneer team, resulting in husks. Purpose unknown. Fate of the research cell: unknown, assumed operational.

Incorrect.

Personal intensity doesn't make it true.

Exactly.

Christmas Ape wrote...
Cite your source?

Mass Effect.
And yours?

<_<

Care to explain?

You see, there is no "incriminating evidence" whatsoever against Cerberus, designating them as "perpetrators" instead of just ignorant witnesses on this particular instance of Chaska colony. Other than the popular hatred for them, that is. Like, you know, in case of Socrates: he wasn't found guilty of violating any of Athens' laws, but the mob wanted him dead, so a new law with retro active force was invented specifically for him and he died. Or of Jesus Christ: Pontius Pilatus thought that he was innocent, but the mob wanted him dead, so, WTH, who needs due process anyway? Panem et circenses!!! Totally justified, in-game and IRL, I say, but when we here on a real life game forum discuss the in-game fictional facts, why does it hurt so much to get them straight?

Since Christmas Ape declinded to respond I will. The evidence I saw when
I went to Chasca was hsk technology in place. Yes call it ExoGeni all
you want to. That was the front name of the corporation. Funded by
Cerberus. If you are the manager of a McDonald's and I paid for the
franchise and sit home while you manage it, who own the McDonald's? Who
gets sued when a teenage fry cook stupidly shoves his hand into a fryer?
Not you, but the person owning it. Ownership is the same thing as
accountabilty.

Not only that but we found eveidence at Cerberus
facilities of Rachni experimentation, Thoarian spore experimentation as
well as the husk experimentation. Opinions vary, but the facts say
Cerberus was behind it and I fully support Cerberus actions.

If you need further proof, I'll provide what I found at the end of the mission where the husk tech was used when I accessed the data terminal. Actually let's make it 2 data transmissions which clearly name Cerberus

Modifié par maegi46, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:26 .

[mosor]

Kitteh303 wrote...

I wouldn't want humanity in charge. By and large, we're a bunch of morons.

So are the alien council members. I'll stick with the morons of my own tribe

[mosor]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

All Cerberus does is screw up experiments...except when resurrecting Shepard. If you give TIM the Collector base all he'll do is try to build another reaper and control it...but they'll screw up as always and it'll be time for Shepard and company to fix mistakes.

I always hear this accusation that cerberus wants to build another reaper. Where did this accusation come from? I never heard TIM or anyone else even suggest that in game. Actually the only place I even heard tthat Cerberus would do this insaine idea  (Outside some Cerberus haters on this forum) was on the gawd awful and innacurate Prima strategy guide.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

mosor wrote...

I always hear this accusation that cerberus wants to build another reaper. Where did this accusation come from? I never heard TIM or anyone else even suggest that in game. Actually the only place I even heard tthat Cerberus would do this insaine idea  (Outside some Cerberus haters on this forum) was on the gawd awful and innacurate Prima strategy guide.

Exactly. Even if TIM wanted to build another Reaper, Cerberus simply does not have the resources to pull of that sort of operation.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well he dosent deny it in game, its stupid to think that he will build a actual reaper.

Anyone who knows history sees that mass produced weapons win out against limited super weapons that take too long to build. IE the Sherman and T34 vs the Tiger Tank.

Best bet is that it will be used to start creating effective, but rapidly produced weapons, not a single super one. Unless TIM goes Emperor Palpatine bonkers and does that then I will think that ME writers got beat with a Fan fiction stick.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 23 juillet 2010 - 10:30 .

[btthegeek]

Anti-Cerberus.  If the information contained by EDI is correct that cells of Cerberus work without immediate oversight, all of the cells that Shepard encounters (Jack's mission, Overlord, Kahoku's missions, etc.) cannot seem to operate without the entire thing turning into a cluster****.   Regardless of the TIMs intentions for humanity as a whole, the cell-based Cerberus operations are immoral, unethical, and operate under a "ends justify the means" mentality.  This seems to be a pattern in the organization from what was encountered in ME1.  ME2 is a little more shaky in this regard, as Cerberus did resurrect Shepard, but I would argue (while still ethically ambiguous), that TIMs direct oversight of the project ensured the desired outcome. 

Oh, and I just took Miranda to the last boss, and there was an additional scene with her when TIM called Shepard about whether or not to destroy the base.  It was pretty good. 

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Caesar914 wrote...
I agree with the advancement of humanity but not at the cost of other species.

Yes. I am not pro-Cerberus

[Spectre_907]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

mosor wrote...

I always hear this accusation that cerberus wants to build another reaper. Where did this accusation come from? I never heard TIM or anyone else even suggest that in game. Actually the only place I even heard tthat Cerberus would do this insaine idea  (Outside some Cerberus haters on this forum) was on the gawd awful and innacurate Prima strategy guide.

Exactly. Even if TIM wanted to build another Reaper, Cerberus simply does not have the resources to pull of that sort of operation.

"They were building a Reaper. That knowledge, that framework, can save us." - The Illusive Man
"Don't be short sighted. Our best chance against the Reapers is to turn their own resources against them." - The Illusive Man

[Count Viceroy]

Spectre_907 wrote...

"They were building a Reaper. That knowledge, that framework, can save us." - The Illusive Man
"Don't be short sighted. Our best chance against the Reapers is to turn their own resources against them." - The Illusive Man

"By using our technology you develop along the paths we desire". - Sovreign

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:42 .

[Spectre_907]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

"They were building a Reaper. That knowledge, that framework, can save us." - The Illusive Man
"Don't be short sighted. Our best chance against the Reapers is to turn their own resources against them." - The Illusive Man

"By using our technology you evolve along the paths we desire". - Sovreign

Precisely.

[wulf3n]

DPSSOC wrote...
Remarkably.  If humanity has the power to wipe out all other races then we're officially the most dangerous entity in the universe.  Human history shows that when we don't have someone else to fight, we fight our own.  So what kind of damage do you think a group capable of wiping out at least 3 other sapient races could do to itself?  The safest option would be to achieve a MAD balance of power between the Council and humanity (unless you could cause a schism between the Council races allowing you to balance with the individual species).

Quite true, but even if humanity were to wipe most of itself out, it would still be dominant, pointless and stupid yes, but true none the less.

I think if TIM were only saying he wanted to ensure Humanities survival then that wouldn't be a problem, because that could fall into many categories, both Alien Friendly and not, however "dominance" implies Power, and Control, which generally leads to dissension and war.

Even TIM's plans for constructing super biotics to me is a bad idea. In a sense he is trying to direct the path of human evolution, and evolution is a dangerous thing to play with, as a single bad decision can lead a species to it's extinction. Natures done a pretty good job on humanity so far, it's probably best just to let it do its thing.

Modifié par wulf3n, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:43 .

[Freakaz0idx]

mosor wrote...



I always hear this accusation that cerberus wants to build another reaper. Where did this accusation come from? I never heard TIM or anyone else even suggest that in game. Actually the only place I even heard tthat Cerberus would do this insaine idea  (Outside some Cerberus haters on this forum) was on the gawd awful and innacurate Prima strategy guide.

Well Cerberus is always trying insane ideas and failing.  I don't think anyone would be surprised if we have to kill some messed up malfunctioning reaper because of Cerberus.