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[Riona45]

Cipher266 wrote...

Yes, Bishop was a JERK!!!!, but someone who is a jerk to everyone but me would be great!

It's been a while since I've played NWN2, and the conversations didn't stick in my mind, but if I recall correctly, Bishop WAS a jerk to the PC, even a female one.  He all but calls you a prostitute, IIRC.  And you gained approval with him by doing evil acts (maybe some neutral acts, but I don't think any actual good acts), so it'd be accurate to say he went beyond merely being a "jerk."

Modifié par Riona45, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...
You know what shocked me when I finally got around to playing as a guy? A lot of the dialogue I had perceived as being romantic really wasn't. The only dialogue that happened just for girls was the Peragus flirtation and that bit about playing Pazaak with him in your head, IIRC. Oh, and I think he hands you a medpac right before the mission where you meet Mira. All the other stuff--him telling that one assassin to fight him instead, telling the Twin Suns that he's there to protect you--was for men and women.

LOL!  Well, there are the cutscenes between him and Mical, where he seems clearly jealous about the PC training him, but they don't involve the PC at all.  Whereas Mical is always the one who comes to comfort the PC after she meets with the Jedi Council near the end of the game.

[RPGmom28]

If I got a Zaeed type in DA2, I would never, ever ask for anything again. I can see that I'm not alone in this desire.

[Anarya]

RPGmom28 wrote...

If I got a Zaeed type in DA2, I would never, ever ask for anything again. I can see that I'm not alone in this desire.

I never bought any DLC for ME2. Am I really missing out with this guy? He seems to have a good number of fans.

[mopotter]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Good decent man with strong fighting skills, wicked sense of humor, and tight buns. Doesn't have to be smart, just has to be real. Willing to put his sword and shield between me and the bad guys while I'm picking my carcass up off the dirt during melee combat. Happy when drunk (but not drunk too often) and can sing on key. I only want him to be a bad boy to bad people and never to me.

Examples from DA:O

Ser Bryant
Mayor Murdock
Sergeant  Kylon
Ser Donal
Fergus
Teagan


No psychopaths, sadistic serial killers or hetrosexual misogynists need apply.

Edited to add list.

I could go for anyone on this list.  And agree with your don't apply list,  but I did have to look up misogynists.   I also liked Niall.  I liked talking to him in the cirlce and originally hoped I could help him in the fade.

[mopotter]

Margaret_TheElf wrote...

Hey! I think I found our nerdy elf mage! click me, you know you want to! I think he needs some touching up though....and as for our bad boy Click  You don't have to agree with these, these are just what popped into mind. I just woke up GOOD MORNING!

Nice.

[Calla S]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Ser Bryant
Ser Donal
Fergus
Teagan

Agreed with those, especially Ser Bryant. We didn't get a very good look at his personality, but he seemed like such a down to Earth, what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Plus... he's a Templar, and I think I've already made a point how much I love Templars. XD

[Saibh]

Calla S wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Ser Bryant
Ser Donal
Fergus
Teagan

Agreed with those, especially Ser Bryant. We didn't get a very good look at his personality, but he seemed like such a down to Earth, what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Plus... he's a Templar, and I think I've already made a point how much I love Templars. XD

I like Perth better, to be honest.

[HighMoon]

I'd love an older gentleman (i.e. Teagan), a gentlemanly dwarf (i.e. Gorim) and a man who appears cocky/a jerk on the outside but who opens up once you break through his shell, and, dare I suggest... a Qunari romance?

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 24 juillet 2010 - 02:47 .

[Calla S]

Saibh wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Ser Bryant
Ser Donal
Fergus
Teagan

Agreed with those, especially Ser Bryant. We didn't get a very good look at his personality, but he seemed like such a down to Earth, what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Plus... he's a Templar, and I think I've already made a point how much I love Templars. XD

I like Perth better, to be honest.

PERTH! Yes! I adored Perth. Ser Bryant, Ser Donall, Ser Perth, Ser Otto... I'm picking up a theme here. 

Give us a manly man, BioWare! Someone who wields a big sword (hurr hurr) and doesn't cry about it afterwards!

[RPGmom28]

Anarya wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

If I got a Zaeed type in DA2, I would never, ever ask for anything again. I can see that I'm not alone in this desire.

I never bought any DLC for ME2. Am I really missing out with this guy? He seems to have a good number of fans.

You don't get to romance him, but he has a sexy voice and accent and a confident way about him.  He's not handsome- but if you played KOTOR, think Canderous.  I found him very appealing in a gruff, older man kind of way.  He also has a nice ass.  Yes, I did say that. 

[Riona45]

WingsandRings wrote...

I just want Bioware to make sure that the romances all can last throughout the entire game, rather than hitting a wall half-way through, like the Alistair romance. Zevran's was nicely set up, in that you COULDN'T move up until after the Landsmeet. That said, it's...awkward to me to be supposedly romantically involved with someone, and yet the only dialogue option you really have is "wanna have sex?" for hours and hours of gameplay because you've exhausted all the others.

Indeed, pacing is always important in a romance, although I've noticed it's definitely improved in these games over time.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

Arlana Tabris wrote...

Wynne wrote...
*lol* Yeah, they're better in pairs! *grinning*

 

CalJones wrote...
Re: Cullen... he was pretty interesting, but face it, were he romanceable, he'd be another classic Bioware knightly type who needs you to play therapist. And I'm tired of those.

And no dead wife, girlfriend or sister please.

THIS. So much. God, I am sick of that one. Anomen, Carth, Thane, sort-of Kaidan, Zevran, Leliana goes on about Marjolaine, Sky...there are way too many. I could take another charming, good guy male lead, but I do not want another dead love (or sister) type thing going on.

Is it really that attractive to women to be number two, or does BioWare only think it does? Maybe they think that we're attracted to guys we know can love? Ugh, this one drives me nuts.

Took me a while to find… I’ll just leave it here (disregard, if someone else has already posted this):
http://forums.biowar...orum=135&sp=675
I’ll quote the relevant part (taken from the first Developer’s post on that page):

David Gaider wrote...
The kind of guy with that broken-nose ruggedness, the sort that would pick you up like you weighed a feather and throw you against the wall to kiss you. The sort that growls more than he talks, that sort of thing. I'll have to try writing someone like that sometime.

*hopes that time has come*

Yeah, that kind of guy--but only if I'm more than a match for him. No being carried around like I'm a child all the time, please. (Thanks so much for the link, Arlana!)

Kaidan how?  He liked a girl when he was a kid and killed a man because of her?  I liked his explanation that it made him realize the others were just like us, some good, some bad.  

I don't know if I want a romance where the LI has never been in a relationship before and if you've been in a relationship you probably have baggage, good memories or bad ones.   Good ones, I don't mind hearing about them if they remind him of me and bad ones, he can tell me how much better I am with my bow. and all of them help round out the character.

Alistair romance was nice, my mage also had not been in a relationship before and my elf rogue was happy to teach him.  

But  there are only so many past a LI can have.  Unknown past relationships (maybe Kaidan); Childhood sweethearts (Dawn Star); no previous relationships at all (Alistair and Liara maybe Silk Fox);  a spouse or partner who died or left, with or without kids who died or left (Sky and maybe Leliana she did the leaving)  or maybe the kids are gown<3 Carth my Carth and Thane;  one who loves em and leaves em including me; or loves em and leaves em until me (Zev).  Maybe a few more that I can't think of right now.

I'm number 2 in my husbands life.    Growing up I always said I'd rather be someones last love not his first.   
and for me, I don't want to be more than a match for my guy at everything, that would be boring to me, but I do want some of my skills to top his.  If he's stronger with a 2handed weapon, I'm faster with dual blades, I use magic, he welds a bow.  Not sure I want to be thrown against the wall for a kiss, but tripped into a hay stack can be fun.
 

[Riona45]

Wynne wrote...
I don't know about that. There are two different Cullens--PTSD Cullen, and shy brainwashed early-game Cullen. The former could probably be helped, but only after years of intensive therapy or if he'd had a close friendship with the player to anchor him to the idea that not all mages are bombs waiting to explode. The latter--he's completely viable. Get him away from the Circle Tower, and I swear he'd be a pleasure to watch develop once you get him away from the party line.

Hey, stuff that would make a viable romance with a character impossible (like Cullen's PTSD) hasn't stopped people from seeing the character as a possible love interest.  I know there's fan art and fan fiction about the PC romancing (and even marrying) Master Kevar from KOTOR 2, even though according to the actual game, it's impossible for a number of reasons...

[Margaret_TheElf]

RPGmom28 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

If I got a Zaeed type in DA2, I would never, ever ask for anything again. I can see that I'm not alone in this desire.

I never bought any DLC for ME2. Am I really missing out with this guy? He seems to have a good number of fans.

You don't get to romance him, but he has a sexy voice and accent and a confident way about him.  He's not handsome- but if you played KOTOR, think Canderous.  I found him very appealing in a gruff, older man kind of way.  He also has a nice ass.  Yes, I did say that. 

I can never take Zaeed seriously, because whenever he speaks, I think of Sergeant Roderick Spongebob Squarepants

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...
Jacob had a traumatic dad (I swear, in ME1 they all do), and he was even more boring.

True--I'm not saying that a character *must* be a broken bird to be interesting, and it would be impossible for them to be boring.  It's just that it seems that LIs who don't have much drama attached wind up with the bland and boring label (and I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with them, either).

Modifié par Riona45, 24 juillet 2010 - 03:19 .

[mopotter]

SKRemaks wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Anarya wrote...

SKRemaks wrote...

God, yes.  Transplant Garrus into a Dragon Age human, and let me at him.  Total badass in public, total dork in private.

David can write him, please.  Then, when he's finished with DA Garrus, he can sneak over to the Mass Effect 3 writers's cubes and write ME3 Garrus.  That way we'll have something to look forward to other than CALIBRATIONS!

Just kidding about that last...sort of.

You know, I really loved Garrus as a character but I sort of dislike how the romance was implemented. I don't know, I didn't get the impression that he really loved or wanted my Shep, more just like a "eh why the hell not, let's be friends-with-benefits" kinda thing. Whereas in ALL the DAO romances I really felt like each character loved the Warden. I guess I'm just a romantic or something. But anyway I like the badass in public, dork in private thing. Garrus

Me too.  I liked Garrus a lot.  I did some flirting with him, but I always came out with the impression that he had never thought about Shep as a romance and was not sure it was a good idea.  

With a 10 year span, I wouldn't mind a friends with benefits relationship in DA but I'd like the long term option too.

Both of you are quite right.  I also really loved Garrus as a character.  Hence the wanting a romance with someone like him in DA2.   You know, a romance that has more than 3 conversations to it.   

And, Mo, you should try his romance all the way through.  He's a sweetheart in the end.

To get this back on topic, we seem to want either a total badass (Garrus-like) or a total nerd (Sand-like.)  If we get those options, I think most of us will be happy.

Thanks, I will do that. 

[Riona45]

Anarya wrote...
Well Carth is supposed to be like 38 or something isn't he?

Yep.  The thing is, if you have make the LI interest an experienced veteran type of character, it makes sense that they'll have some kind of a romantic past.  If they don't, you may wonder why they don't.

That being said, I appreciate the argument about how the deceased love interest/relative trope is very done by now, and it does mainly seem to happen with LIs for female PCs.

[mopotter]

WingsandRings wrote...

I just want Bioware to make sure that the romances all can last throughout the entire game, rather than hitting a wall half-way through, like the Alistair romance. Zevran's was nicely set up, in that you COULDN'T move up until after the Landsmeet. That said, it's...awkward to me to be supposedly romantically involved with someone, and yet the only dialogue option you really have is "wanna have sex?" for hours and hours of gameplay because you've exhausted all the others.

This would be very nice in all of their games.  

[RPGmom28]

Riona45 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Well Carth is supposed to be like 38 or something isn't he?

Yep.  The thing is, if you have make the LI interest an experienced veteran type of character, it makes sense that they'll have some kind of a romantic past.  If they don't, you may wonder why they don't.

That being said, I appreciate the argument about how the deceased love interest/relative trope is very done by now, and it does mainly seem to happen with LIs for female PCs.

I totally agree about the LI with dead spouse thing.  Overdone.  It's true what you've said about wondering about someone without a romantic past, but then again, most of us do have a romantic past that doesn't involve DEATH.  I have lots of ex boyfriends, some of which are jerks, but none of which are dead. 

[Riona45]

RPGmom28 wrote...


I totally agree about the LI with dead spouse thing.  Overdone.  It's true what you've said about wondering about someone without a romantic past, but then again, most of us do have a romantic past that doesn't involve DEATH.  I have lots of ex boyfriends, some of which are jerks, but none of which are dead. 

Good point.  And I should have mentioned earlier that just because someone has romantic baggage doesn't mean it must be mentioned often or be a major part of that character's romantic story arc.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

The thing about that game (KOTOR 2) is there was so much cut content.  I enjoyed both characters, but by the end of the game, it seemed like Atton didn't really have much to say over all (if you talk to him, you have the option to...play Pazaak with him again!), and it felt like most of the pseudo-romantic conversations occured with Mical.

You know what shocked me when I finally got around to playing as a guy? A lot of the dialogue I had perceived as being romantic really wasn't. The only dialogue that happened just for girls was the Peragus flirtation and that bit about playing Pazaak with him in your head, IIRC. Oh, and I think he hands you a medpac right before the mission where you meet Mira. All the other stuff--him telling that one assassin to fight him instead, telling the Twin Suns that he's there to protect you--was for men and women.

I've played KOTOR2 a 2nd time a few months ago I liked a lot of the dialog in it, and I get to the ending and remembered why I didn't play it more.  I just don't understand the ending, it made no sense to me.  My son-in-law said I should take the dark path and that helped, but not much.  If it doesn't help much no reason to try it.  The most I can go is gray.  No evil or pious, just balanced.  

[Riona45]

mopotter wrote...
I've played KOTOR2 a 2nd time a few months ago I liked a lot of the dialog in it, and I get to the ending and remembered why I didn't play it more...

Ah yes, the ending.  What disappointed me the most is that your party members, for the most part, basically just disappear, after all the time you took to build them up and possibly make them Jedi.  Apparently, they were all supposed to have their own little parts to play, but that was mostly cut from the game.

[mopotter]

Anarya wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Bioware always seems to give us some sensitive type with a dead wife (Carth, Sky, Thane) or other relative (Anomen, and Alistair if you count Duncan as a proxy father) who requires you to play therapist. Kaiden was refreshingly trauma free but still fell onto the sensitive side of the spectrum.

Kaiden was trauma-free, for the most part, but I wonder if that's one reason why he's so often accused of being bland and boring. :-/

Trauma free? What about his terrible childhood and the fact he killed a man as a teenager? Jacob has some trauma too considering his personal mission and absentee father but they did both come off as bland to me. I'm not really sure why that is to be honest.

I personally have no problems with the whole dead wife thing. I mean if you have an older LI they're going to have a past, that's just being realistic. So it's either have an ex they cared about, have a dead spouse, or have a string of meaningless romances or one night stands without ever having loved. I can see why they so often go with dead spouse considering with the still-living ex option you would have the player wondering if the ex will show up and if the LI still has feelings for him/her, and with the "never really loved" option you'd start to wonder if there was something seriously wrong with the LI that he/she is incapable of forming attachments (I guess Zev is basically this but he has a good reason for it). Of course you could set it up so that the PC is just so ridiculously awesome that they teach the LI how to love or something, and I guess this is kinda what happens with Morri and Zev. But I think I'd rather know the LI is functional enough to have had a mature adult relationship at some point if they aren't very young and sheltered like Alistair or have other extenuating circumstances.

Should have read farther before posting.  I agree.  There is also the mysterious stranger that you don't know what kind of past he has.  But I like the history.  Helps round out the character and gives me an idea as to what kind of character he is.