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[ERJAK1]

What style of male?





FEmale.

[mllrthyme]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I see Zaeed as sort of a rough and tumble good time in the lower decks kind of guy as opposed to the love-you-for-the-rest-of-your-life type. I can picture a fun interlude with Shepard once in a while being their dirty little secret.

I agree, you naughty little minx, you!

[Saibh]

Mercuron wrote...

Wynne wrote...

I hate this trope. I hate it. I've seen as much as I can take of it. Maybe in another ten years I'll be okay with it again, but at the moment I just want this trope to die a horrible, painful death. (For male LIs; if they make a female with this, then awesome--the guys haven't seen that happen yet.)

Jaheira

Wow. Okay, proved me wrong. Still, that was all the way back in BGII.

[Mercuron]

Saibh wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

Wynne wrote...

I hate this trope. I hate it. I've seen as much as I can take of it. Maybe in another ten years I'll be okay with it again, but at the moment I just want this trope to die a horrible, painful death. (For male LIs; if they make a female with this, then awesome--the guys haven't seen that happen yet.)

Jaheira

Wow. Okay, proved me wrong. Still, that was all the way back in BGII.

Sorry, not meaning to nitpick anyone's opinions. I'm no fan of the trope either. Just having to put up with it on Jaheira was unbearable, so some of us guys do know your pain, is all.

[RPGmom28]

Technically, Jack has a dead lover, too... LOL, we could go on all night about tragic deaths. Can you believe it has been this overplayed that we have so much material? I have had so much fun tonight hanging with you folks that I thought it was even time for a signature overhaul. Don't you hate it when you love so many characters that you can't stick with one sig for very long?

[Saibh]

Mercuron wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

Wynne wrote...

I hate this trope. I hate it. I've seen as much as I can take of it. Maybe in another ten years I'll be okay with it again, but at the moment I just want this trope to die a horrible, painful death. (For male LIs; if they make a female with this, then awesome--the guys haven't seen that happen yet.)

Jaheira

Wow. Okay, proved me wrong. Still, that was all the way back in BGII.

Sorry, not meaning to nitpick anyone's opinions. I'm no fan of the trope either. Just having to put up with it on Jaheira was unbearable, so some of us guys do know your pain, is all.

Nah, I wasn't mad or anything, I'm glad you pointed her out. I wouldn't force a dead spouse upon anyone, despite bitter feelings (tell me again, Carth, exactly how much do I remind you of your wife? What about you, Sky? Thane?).

[CalJones]

pixieface wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Hmm, so is Zaeed sort of the Shale to ME2?   I don't mean in terms of sexy, but that you can't imagine the game without them once you've added the DLC?  I ask because I haven't started ME2 yet, and wondering if I should just get his DLC before I even play the game.

Well, I personally wouldn't say that. He has the sexiest voice actor, but Shale had about one hundred times more content. And you don't actually get to talk to Zaeed, unfortunately; you can click on him and he tells you stories about his mercenary days but it's all this passive third person thing. I would have loved more from him, but I've never really been super impressed with the ME2 team when it comes to quality of content anyway. 

So, yeah, if you got a couple bucks to spare and enjoy the ME series, I'd say it's not a bad decision. But Shale, to me, was waaay more hilarious and vital in every way than Zaeed was.

... Oh, but I have to say it's totally awesome to hear him say, LET'S GO BE BIG GODDAM HEROES. Seriously, such an awesome VA.

If you haven't played ME2 then Zaeed has the same VA as Murdoch in Redcliffe.
nb...his DLC should be free (the code for mine came with the ME2 box). It's a very good mission, as is Kasumi's. I'd recommend that and Overlord, actually.
But yes, agreed...Zaeed does have a nice arse. He is basically Canderous with a different accent - they're very similar characters. No complaints there, though.

[Riona45]

mllrthyme wrote...

As for Bishop, I think the appeal was that he was a true bad boy and made no apologies for it.  I think a lot of women are drawn to bad boys because they want to be the one to tame him.  A true bad boy, however, will never be tamed.  It's more about the thrill of the hunt than forming a mature and healthy relationship.

Probably.  If you can "tame" the bad guy (or gal), or if you're the one person he cares about (or appears to care about), that makes you special.  I understand how that can be interesting in terms of drama, it's just not something that I, personally, would want to simulate in a game.  I honestly cannot shake the feeling that an authentic romance with someone like Bishop would wind up being abusive (he's not a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, he's not even amoral--he actually is evil).

Modifié par Riona45, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:38 .

[Riona45]

Mercuron wrote...

Wynne wrote...

I hate this trope. I hate it. I've seen as much as I can take of it. Maybe in another ten years I'll be okay with it again, but at the moment I just want this trope to die a horrible, painful death. (For male LIs; if they make a female with this, then awesome--the guys haven't seen that happen yet.)

Jaheira

You're right.  How did I forget about that?

Still, the trope seems way more common with LIs for female PCs.

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...
Nah, I wasn't mad or anything, I'm glad you pointed her out. I wouldn't force a dead spouse upon anyone, despite bitter feelings (tell me again, Carth, exactly how much do I remind you of your wife? What about you, Sky? Thane?).

Anomen even says the PC reminds him of his sister, though in that case it was before she gets murdered.

[mllrthyme]

Riona45 wrote...

Probably.  If you can "tame" the bad guy (or gal), or if you're the one person he cares about (or appears to care about), that makes you special.  I understand how that can be interesting in terms of drama, it's just not something that I, personally, wouldn't want to simulate in a game.  I honestly cannot shake the feeling that an authentic romance with someone like Bishop would wind up being abusive (he's not a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, he's not even amoral--he actually is evil).

Oh yeah.  Bishop was an evil s.o.b. and totally deserved the wall treatment in motb.  An authentic romance with him would need to be achieved at a distance, preferably out of range of his bow.

[thegoldfinch]

CalJones wrote...

pixieface wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Hmm, so is Zaeed sort of the Shale to ME2?   I don't mean in terms of sexy, but that you can't imagine the game without them once you've added the DLC?  I ask because I haven't started ME2 yet, and wondering if I should just get his DLC before I even play the game.

Well, I personally wouldn't say that. He has the sexiest voice actor, but Shale had about one hundred times more content. And you don't actually get to talk to Zaeed, unfortunately; you can click on him and he tells you stories about his mercenary days but it's all this passive third person thing. I would have loved more from him, but I've never really been super impressed with the ME2 team when it comes to quality of content anyway. 

So, yeah, if you got a couple bucks to spare and enjoy the ME series, I'd say it's not a bad decision. But Shale, to me, was waaay more hilarious and vital in every way than Zaeed was.

... Oh, but I have to say it's totally awesome to hear him say, LET'S GO BE BIG GODDAM HEROES. Seriously, such an awesome VA.

If you haven't played ME2 then Zaeed has the same VA as Murdoch in Redcliffe.

Holy crap! You are totally right! How did I miss that?

I'm trying to imagine Zaeed with Murdoch's epic 'stache.

It... makes me much more happy than it really should.

[Time4Tiddy]

Riona45 wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

As for Bishop, I think the appeal was that he was a true bad boy and made no apologies for it.  I think a lot of women are drawn to bad boys because they want to be the one to tame him.  A true bad boy, however, will never be tamed.  It's more about the thrill of the hunt than forming a mature and healthy relationship.

Probably.  If you can "tame" the bad guy (or gal), or if you're the one person he cares about (or appears to care about), that makes you special.  I understand how that can be interesting in terms of drama, it's just not something that I, personally, wouldn't want to simulate in a game.  I honestly cannot shake the feeling that an authentic romance with someone like Bishop would wind up being abusive (he's not a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, he's not even amoral--he actually is evil).

IMO, the appeal of Bishop is more that first, he was hella hot (for graphics of the day) and had a way sexy voice actor.  Second, he's evil, no matter what you do, he's evil.  Unlike most other Bioware LIs that are either good or neutral, he's a flat out bastard.  Now nobody really wants a bastard to be their BF in real life, but for a fantasy game, it's kind of fun, especially when he rips into every other party member.  And gets all possessive of you to Casavir.  Sexy.    Plus, when you are playing as some wicked wench character, it's nice to have a hot companion along.  Why does Bioware always make evil LIs women?  That's another topic I guess.  Personally I think it would have been more interesting if the hardening of Alistair and Leliana would have actually been a progression towards them becoming evil, ruthless characters by the end of the game - not just slightly less squishy.  And now I've gone in another direction...  Late night posting.  Hehe.

[Saibh]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

As for Bishop, I think the appeal was that he was a true bad boy and made no apologies for it.  I think a lot of women are drawn to bad boys because they want to be the one to tame him.  A true bad boy, however, will never be tamed.  It's more about the thrill of the hunt than forming a mature and healthy relationship.

Probably.  If you can "tame" the bad guy (or gal), or if you're the one person he cares about (or appears to care about), that makes you special.  I understand how that can be interesting in terms of drama, it's just not something that I, personally, wouldn't want to simulate in a game.  I honestly cannot shake the feeling that an authentic romance with someone like Bishop would wind up being abusive (he's not a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, he's not even amoral--he actually is evil).

IMO, the appeal of Bishop is more that first, he was hella hot (for graphics of the day) and had a way sexy voice actor.  Second, he's evil, no matter what you do, he's evil.  Unlike most other Bioware LIs that are either good or neutral, he's a flat out bastard.  Now nobody really wants a bastard to be their BF in real life, but for a fantasy game, it's kind of fun, especially when he rips into every other party member.  And gets all possessive of you to Casavir.  Sexy.    Plus, when you are playing as some wicked wench character, it's nice to have a hot companion along.  Why does Bioware always make evil LIs women?  That's another topic I guess.  Personally I think it would have been more interesting if the hardening of Alistair and Leliana would have actually been a progression towards them becoming evil, ruthless characters by the end of the game - not just slightly less squishy.  And now I've gone in another direction...  Late night posting.  Hehe.

Actually, I seem to recall him not getting exactly possessive over you against Casavir, but, uh...sort of calling you a w****. True Love. <3

As for why all the evil LIs are women? I imagine it's because we're The Unfair Sex. Men (and women) are more willing to forgive an evil woman, and find her vulnerability all the more endearing for it. An evil man treads a thin, thin line--Bishop manages to tread it well by being unapologetic about his bastardry. Trying to justify your douchey-ness comes across as big old excuses.

Modifié par Saibh, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:59 .

[Riona45]

Maybe now would be a good time to admit that I don't even like playing evil PCs. Not ever, really. That's not to say evil characters are always utterly unattractive in every single way, but I usually don't play characters who would be interested in romancing such people.



And as I mentioned before, I would think romancing someone like Bishop would probably be a waste of time, if not a terrible mistake (if you could reform him, he'd probably be more of a softie than actually was in the game).

[Dick Delaware]

Saibh wrote...
Actually, I seem to recall him not getting exactly possessive over you against Casavir, but, uh...sort of calling you a w****. True Love. <3

As for why all the evil LIs are women? I imagine it's because we're The Unfair Sex. Men (and women) are more willing to forgive an evil woman, and find her vulnerability all the more endearing for it. An evil man treads a thin, thin line--Bishop manages to tread it well by being unapologetic about his bastardry. Trying to justify your douchey-ness comes across as big old excuses.

Bishop was maybe the only person in the NWN 2 Original Campaign that I found somewhat tolerable. Sand was okay too. I am happy all those idiots died in the end  - their sacrifice was necessary for the creation of the brilliant Mask of the Betrayer and the much more awesome companions found there. Hehe, it would be funny if we had a pet character like One of Many in Origins instead of Dog. Man, if you thought Morrigan was a horrible person...

I don't notice the trend you mention about the evil LI's being female. I notice the Ice Queen thing a lot though which is kinda similar, but not necessarily the same (i.e. Bastila Shan), particularly in BioWare games. I think the reason the Ice Queen is popular is because it's male wish fulfillment. "Hey, that girl totally is into me underneath that b*tchy exterior." Or "Well, she's really hot, so she must get hit on by a lot of creepy guys, so that's probably why she's acting like that - she doesn't know how awesome I am yet."

The same way that the Bad Boy thing is wish fulfillment for women. They want a hot, wild guy with an unpredictable streak, but they want him committed.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 24 juillet 2010 - 07:44 .

[TiaraBlade]

Regarding romances, I'd like to have choices but also a great deal of depth as well. Not sure how realistic that is.



I hope that we get away from snarky love good guy love interest. Hey, I liked Carth (and romanced him), liked Kaiden (but I liked Liara more), and Allistair (it was hard choicing between him and Lelliana) but I'd like something a little different.

[TiaraBlade]

Who's Bishop? Thanks.

[Arlana Tabris]

TiaraBlade wrote...

Who's Bishop? Thanks.

He's a Neverwinter Nights2 character who was supposed to be a romance option - more info (Warning! Contains spoilers)

[Ladybright]

Mmmmm, just going to pop in and say no Bishop ever, please. I agree with Riona -- it's a one-way ticket to an unhealthy, borderline abusive relationship. He is a sexist creep. Why couldn't I kick him out of my party? My neutral good bard was not charmed by his dismissive and demeaning attitude, not to mention his immaturity.

I don't know what I'd want for DA2. I'm sure I'll like whoever the writers dream up, really, so long as it isn't Bishop. Bio's been pretty good so far. I liked Valen and that he challenged the PC, but respected her at the same time. Also, he was fun to tease. I also liked Kaiden a lot. His romance seemed much more understated than other Bio romances, but I thought it felt deep. I really liked the not-therapy aspect of it, and Kaiden's dry humor. It felt like mature, down-to-Earth people in a mature, down-to-Earth relationship... at least, the way I played my Shep.

Alright, I've talked enough about this. Time for sleep.

Modifié par Ladybright, 24 juillet 2010 - 11:59 .

[mopotter]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

mopotter wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

If I got a Zaeed type in DA2, I would never, ever ask for anything again. I can see that I'm not alone in this desire.

I never bought any DLC for ME2. Am I really missing out with this guy? He seems to have a good number of fans.

You don't get to romance him, but he has a sexy voice and accent and a confident way about him.  He's not handsome- but if you played KOTOR, think Canderous.  I found him very appealing in a gruff, older man kind of way.  He also has a nice ass.  Yes, I did say that. 

It took me a few plays to warm to Zaeed, but then I took him with me on Jack's loyalty trip.  I've become a fan and go to talk to him often.   

Hmm, so is Zaeed sort of the Shale to ME2?   I don't mean in terms of sexy, but that you can't imagine the game without them once you've added the DLC?  I ask because I haven't started ME2 yet, and wondering if I should just get his DLC before I even play the game.

I don't see him as Shale, I found Shale funny.  And I still don't exactly like Zaeed but I am seeing him more complex character instead of just the guy who has been hired to help out.   t I did enjoy the two character DLC's a lot.  I liked the story they came with.  I'd consider them a buy.

edit - and back on topic, I wouldn't mind having his type as one of the LI.  

Modifié par mopotter, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:28 .

[mopotter]

Riona45 wrote...

mopotter wrote...
It took me a few plays to warm to Zaeed, but then I took him with me on Jack's loyalty trip.  I've become a fan and go to talk to him often.   

I do like Zaeed as a character, and he does have some qualities that can be considered attractive.  However, he is not the type of person I would want to romance.  What he does during his loyalty mission is...disturbing.

 Yes it was and it took me a while to even go down and talk to him.  I wouldn't want this type as the only LI, but if they have at least 2 male LI "good guy/bad guy" which I'm sure they will, this type would work for me and he seems pretty popular.  

I am just really hoping they give us 2 LI of each sex, in a pench I'd settle for being able to change their attitudes, for good or ill,  through influencing them.  But I'd rather have well defined characters for LI.

[Lyna357]

Kind of a newbie to BioWare games, I played Origins to death. The only other was ME, which I tried to play as fem/Shep but really couldn't get into it.

What kind of male character/LI would I like based on my limited knowledge of characters from Origins/Awakening:

 1) Alistair. He always ended up as my LI. Loved his voice/voice actor.
 2) Nathaniel, from Awakening. So much potentiel, it was a shame we couldn't interact with him the same as in the Origins.
 3) Sten. I know he wasn't a LI but I liked how I had to work to get him to like me.

[mopotter]

Riona45 wrote...

mopotter wrote...
Daveth.  Yes this type would be nice.  I liked his speech to Ser Jory about being willing to die to end the blight.  I was a bit sad when he did die.  

It was kinda cool how the rough-around-the-edges former street thief turned out to be braver and perhaps more principled than the guy who was supposed to be a knight.

I wondered if Duncan saw something of himself in him.  It's good writing when they can put so much in a character in such a short time. 

[mopotter]

mllrthyme wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

pixieface wrote...
But the concept behind him is something that is appealing to me - just not Zaeed himself. Does that make sense? Someone tough with a gravelly voice, hardened by fighting, odd sense of humor, and does so love the wimminz. Someone that sweats metaphorical testoserone, hur hur.

Oh yeah, if I thought Zaeed was a good guy at heart, I think he'd make a great romance (I get that some people don't care about this--after all, some people really like Bishop).  He has a lot of elements that I think are attractive, like his voice and somewhat casual attitude.

I think that Zaeed is a mish-mash of the bad boy and grizzled war vet rolled into one.  Throw in a sexy voice and make him a bit jaded and I can see the attraction.
As for Bishop, I think the appeal was that he was a true bad boy and made no apologies for it.  I think a lot of women are drawn to bad boys because they want to be the one to tame him.  A true bad boy, however, will never be tamed.  It's more about the thrill of the hunt than forming a mature and healthy relationship.

True. Bishop never was my cup of tea.  I even downloaded a romance mod and just couldn't do it.  My characters go for the dependable LI with a personality I can like as well as love.