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[Saibh]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Qunari bad-boy? Anyone?
And if he gets too Bishop-y, we can use a persuade/intimidate check to take him by the horns...erm, so to speak.

*nosebleed*

That....that's channeling Bishop, Valen, and sexy new qunari.  That is too sexy for its shirt.  So sexy it hurts.

Lucky for you, we know that the qunari doesn't wear a shirt.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Saibh wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Qunari bad-boy? Anyone?
And if he gets too Bishop-y, we can use a persuade/intimidate check to take him by the horns...erm, so to speak.

*nosebleed*

That....that's channeling Bishop, Valen, and sexy new qunari.  That is too sexy for its shirt.  So sexy it hurts.

Lucky for you, we know that the qunari doesn't wear a shirt.

*snicker*  The qunari's like the drow.  Or the werewolves in Sparklepireville.  They're pathologically incapable of wearing shirts.  Any shirt that touches their skin combusts from the sexy.

[mllrthyme]

The shirts must combust from sexiness to show off the tattoos.......or is that, perhaps, body paint??

I know what I want for my next feast day gift!!!

[Saibh]

You know, being in this thread just makes me more hyped to know who the romances are, which is bad because it'll kill me.

[phaonica]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
 My criteria for a therapy romance is this: can I have a meaningful relationship full of growth with the NPC and help him/her improve as a person without romance?  If not, then it's probably a therapy romance.  You HAVE to romance the character to fix them.  Friendship isn't enough.  And right about there is where alarm bells going "ACHTUNG!  ACHTUNG!  EVICT FROM PARTY!" go off in my head.

Ooh, okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I haven't played Baldur's Gate or Kotor or Mass Effect (I know, I'm useless), so it's harder for me to see what everyone likes and what they don't when referring to those characters.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Saibh wrote...

You know, being in this thread just makes me more hyped to know who the romances are, which is bad because it'll kill me.

So get one of the trolls to provide you with some cynicism.  There's plenty to go around 

[phaonica]

mllrthyme wrote...

I've got no problem with baggage and/or conflict - everybody's got it, but when the character dialogue centers around that baggage/conflict and you have to help them resolve it.  You have to help them get over their emotional issues such as grief, loss of self-confidence, or betrayal.  What about something new, like helping a LI plan revenge again an old nemisis (we kind of saw this with Leliana), or a side mission to find a mystical cure for their curse?  I'm sorry, but I'm not a story-teller, but I guess I just want something other than talking about emotional issues.  You know, I don't remember an LI even once asking how I'm doing?  How's that for one-sided?

Understood. I guess I haven't played enough Bioware games to have had this emotional overexposure.  

[Riona45]

phaonica wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
 My criteria for a therapy romance is this: can I have a meaningful relationship full of growth with the NPC and help him/her improve as a person without romance?  If not, then it's probably a therapy romance.  You HAVE to romance the character to fix them.  Friendship isn't enough.  And right about there is where alarm bells going "ACHTUNG!  ACHTUNG!  EVICT FROM PARTY!" go off in my head.

Ooh, okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I haven't played Baldur's Gate or Kotor or Mass Effect (I know, I'm useless), so it's harder for me to see what everyone likes and what they don't when referring to those characters.

If you need clarification, feel free to ask.

[Sable Rhapsody]

phaonica wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
 My criteria for a therapy romance is this: can I have a meaningful relationship full of growth with the NPC and help him/her improve as a person without romance?  If not, then it's probably a therapy romance.  You HAVE to romance the character to fix them.  Friendship isn't enough.  And right about there is where alarm bells going "ACHTUNG!  ACHTUNG!  EVICT FROM PARTY!" go off in my head.

Ooh, okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I haven't played Baldur's Gate or Kotor or Mass Effect (I know, I'm useless), so it's harder for me to see what everyone likes and what they don't when referring to those characters.

They're all wonderful games, though a modded out Baldur's Gate series is my favorite gaming experience ever.  But if you haven't played oodles of CRPGs, I can see why you'd be less burnt out on these romance tropes.  In some ways, I envy you.  You can enjoy a game with Raphael Sbarge voicing a character without thinking, "That's Carth!  Must...kill...now..."

[Faggy Chan]

oh, all kinds.

The lovable idiot.

The dark and brooding.

The one who thinks he can get every girl but fails miserably.

Shy ones.

blah blah



My favorite type would be large tough scruffy guys who are actually quite kind and sweet. 8D da hurhur

[Biserthebomb]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know, being in this thread just makes me more hyped to know who the romances are, which is bad because it'll kill me.

So get one of the trolls to provide you with some cynicism.  There's plenty to go around 

The new romances will be Darth; an angsty, mask wearing skeptic with father issues (did I mention he doesn't trust you); Jevran, Zevran's brother who is voiced by Neil Patrick Harris (his romance breaks off about halfway through as he reveals his love for you was accidental); Sheeploo, who, although voiced by Mark Meer, doesn't have much to say, but provides you with outlandishly creepy smiles and boy can he dance, and Bethany. More info to arrive closer to launch..

[What?]

One that isn't an utter wuss, like Alistair, or two-dimensional like Zevran. Now I'm going to mosey into my bomb-shelter, before the fangirls give me a napalm-shower.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:39 .

[mopotter]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Sable, you are my hero.

*bows* I try 

phaonica wrote...

I will support and enable your growth as a person to the best of my ability. Because that's what friends do. But I will not be your therapist.

It seems like a game relationship would be kind of boring without some kind of conflict. If the conflict isn't baggage, and the conflict isn't having to play therapist, what kind of conflict is acceptable?

I'm fine with a little emotional baggage.  Alistair had issues.  He had confidence issues, daddy issues, leadership issues, etc.  These are all normal issues that plenty of people had.  The Warden had the opportunity to support him, to lend him strength as a person.  But Alistair also grew plenty as a person on his own.  He didn't need the Warden to "fix" him.

I'm not opposed to conflict.  I'm not opposed to character growth.  I'm opposed to having to "fix" people.  It's a difference of degree, not of kind.  And I agree that there's a subtle difference, and Your Mileage May Vary. My criteria for a therapy romance is this: can I have a meaningful relationship full of growth with the NPC and help him/her improve as a person without romance?  If not, then it's probably a therapy romance.  You HAVE to romance the character to fix them.  Friendship isn't enough.  And right about there is where alarm bells going "ACHTUNG!  ACHTUNG!  EVICT FROM PARTY!" go off in my head.

But I don't feel like I've every "fixed" any of them.  I enjoyed talking to Carth about his wife.  I liked the fact that he saw something he loved in her in my character.  His trust issues?  I'm not in a video game, but I had them and didn't have near the reason Carth did.      

Maybe it's because I used to watch old movies, like "High Time" and Courtship of Eddie's Father and tv shows like The Rifleman and westerns by Lewis L'Amour like Brionne - His wife sends their son to hide, she has a little derringer and  kills at least 1 of the intruders before she kills herself and Brionne takes his son west where he meets someone.   

But I would like to see more friendship options.  I wanted to change Ash's views on aliens but couldn't.  

[mopotter]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

And that's another thing for romances--LAUGHTER.  I'm willing to forgive quite a few shortcomings in a romance if it feels like there's genuine joy in the relationship.  Atton is riddled with issues, and his "romance" has some definite therapy overtones.  But Atton made me laugh.  You engage in romances for happiness, not to make yourself miserable.  I'm all for drama, but if the only quality to a romance is wangst, it becomes Strangled with the Red String.  And I do not want.

This I can agree with!  I want some laughter and teasing in the romance.  And again,  IMO the Carth romance has some of the best teasing and laughter I've found in a video game.  Just saying......

Revan: Gamorrean pig-man! 
Carth Onasi: Oh, ouch. I think you hurt my man-feelings with that one.

I don't really care what kind of background the give the "good" LI but I would really like some teasing and laughter.  So what if it's a darker age, no matter what is happening in the world people in love still laugh and still tease each other.  

[RPGmom28]

VictorianTrash wrote...

One that isn't an utter wuss, like Alistair, or two-dimensional like Zevran. Now I'm going to mosey into my bomb-shelter, before the fangirls give me a napalm-shower.

The thing about Alistair is that I like for a man to have a piece of him inside of them- the ability to be tender and speak his heart, but not be entirely like him.  He has appeal because of that part of him.  I'm going to throw out the whole matter of how good-looking he is- yes, he has a very nice jaw and all of that, but it's not important at the moment.  The rose thing and everything that goes with it- good stuff.  Back when I was in high school I dated someone that was ALL Alistair- and we broke up.  Great for the whole dating and whirlwind romance thing.  But didn't want any responsibility.  Wouldn't propose to me because his mother didn't like me and wouldn't 'let' him.  Made me be the strong one and make all of the decisions.  Wow, did that get old.  Now, I know Alistair gives his life for the warden in the end, but I'm talking about not wanting to be king because he doesn't want the responsibility and dumping you if you're not a human noble, unless you talk him into being his mistress.  Don't get me wrong here.  I find him very likeable except for the YOU be in charge bit. And BTW, Steve Valentine, your voice is killer.  So damn sexy.  BUT.... Alistair....stand up for my character who is standing up for you.  That's all I'm saying.

I married someone with that heart, but with a strong confident attitude and every intention of stepping up to the plate, building a life together and being there for me.  Someone confident that defends me without a thought and doesn't take crap from anyone, but who can still surprise me with his gentleness and warmth.  Fifteen years later, still married.  In DA2, I want a confident older man as a love interest. 

Modifié par RPGmom28, 31 juillet 2010 - 06:29 .

[ankuu]

mllrthyme wrote...

Qunari bad-boy? Anyone?
And if he gets too Bishop-y, we can use a persuade/intimidate check to take him by the horns...erm, so to speak.

OMG yes! A qunari bad boy

[mopotter]

Riona45 wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

You know, I don't remember an LI even once asking how I'm doing?  How's that for one-sided?

Yes, that's an issue I've noticed in a lot of these romances, in which you offer your LI a shoulder to cry on...but they don't necessarily give you theirs in return.  I did appreciate Alistair acknowledging that the PC was missing the "fun part of being a Warden" and she wasn't having an easy time of things either.  It was little, but I appreciated him noticing that he wasn't the only one with problems.

Agree this should be fixed.  I would like to have someone say do you want a back rub, and that would be for both my male and female characters.  

[RPGmom28]

Did you know that if you romance Jacob in ME2, he asks you how you're feeling and what's bothering you? You get a big list of things to answer with, too.

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

You know, being in this thread just makes me more hyped to know who the romances are, which is bad because it'll kill me.

Yeh,  me too.  I just really really REALLY hope they give us choices.  

[mopotter]

phaonica wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

I've got no problem with baggage and/or conflict - everybody's got it, but when the character dialogue centers around that baggage/conflict and you have to help them resolve it.  You have to help them get over their emotional issues such as grief, loss of self-confidence, or betrayal.  What about something new, like helping a LI plan revenge again an old nemisis (we kind of saw this with Leliana), or a side mission to find a mystical cure for their curse?  I'm sorry, but I'm not a story-teller, but I guess I just want something other than talking about emotional issues.  You know, I don't remember an LI even once asking how I'm doing?  How's that for one-sided?

Understood. I guess I haven't played enough Bioware games to have had this emotional overexposure.
 

Just a side note, here - if you check some of the old old boards when KOTOR first came out, you will find a bunch of Carth fans.  Quite a few fanfic and lots of Carth love.  I think I'm just outnumbered here, but lucky for me they are all very nice and have good ideas for future LI.    

[mopotter]

****gy Chan wrote...

oh, all kinds.
The lovable idiot.
The dark and brooding.
The one who thinks he can get every girl but fails miserably.
Shy ones.
blah blah

My favorite type would be large tough scruffy guys who are actually quite kind and sweet. 8D da hurhur

All kinds.  I like this idea. 

[mopotter]

RPGmom28 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

One that isn't an utter wuss, like Alistair, or two-dimensional like Zevran. Now I'm going to mosey into my bomb-shelter, before the fangirls give me a napalm-shower.

The thing about Alistair is that I like for a man to have a piece of him inside of them- the ability to be tender and speak his heart, but not be entirely like him.  He has appeal because of that part of him.  I'm going to throw out the whole matter of how good-looking he is- yes, he has a very nice jaw and all of that, but it's not important at the moment.  The rose thing and everything that goes with it- good stuff.  Back when I was in high school I dated someone that was ALL Alistair- and we broke up.  Great for the whole dating and whirlwind romance thing.  But didn't want any responsibility.  Wouldn't propose to me because his mother didn't like me and wouldn't 'let' him.  Made me be the strong one and make all of the decisions.  Wow, did that get old.  Now, I know Alistair gives his life for the warden in the end, but I'm talking about not wanting to be king because he doesn't want the responsibility and dumping you if you're not a human noble, unless you talk him into being his mistress.  Don't get me wrong here.  I find him very likeable except for the YOU be in charge bit. And BTW, Steve Valentine, your voice is killer.  So damn sexy.  BUT.... Alistair....stand up for my character who is standing up for you.  That's all I'm saying.

I married someone with that heart, but with a strong confident attitude and every intention of stepping up to the plate, building a life together and being there for me.  Someone confident that defends me without a thought and doesn't take crap from anyone, but who can still surprise me with his gentleness and warmth.  Fifteen years later, still married.  In DA2, I want a confident older man as a love interest. 

My husband of 20 years (almost 21) still brings me a single rose once in awhile.  My grandfather would come in from a walk in the fields and being in dandelions for my grandmother.  She would put them in a glass and set them on the table.  And they would laugh.  When he was in his 80's and in the hospital dying 1981, she stayed with him and they would push two beds together at night and hold hands.  

I have mixed feelings about Alistair.  I don't think they could have made him in charge and still have the story about our character.  But I do think the writers could have done a little better on the endings.  I think we covered it earlier that there was something wrong with not being able to talk Alistair into accepting Loghain as a warden.   I hope our future LI has enough maturity to make mature decisions, not just emotional ones.  

[mopotter]

RPGmom28 wrote...

Did you know that if you romance Jacob in ME2, he asks you how you're feeling and what's bothering you? You get a big list of things to answer with, too.

OH  if only Shepard didn't sound like a stalker when she talked to him.  I may have to turn the sound down and go for it.  

[zazei]

RPGmom28 wrote...

Did you know that if you romance Jacob in ME2, he asks you how you're feeling and what's bothering you? You get a big list of things to answer with, too.

I remember that! Mostly because it was the only part of the Jacob romance that was accually any good. xD
Anyway one thing I would really like in a future romance is the ability to argue and possibly even have a huge fight with the NPC without ending the romance for good. After years of playing Bioware games I'll gotten to a point where I'm afraid to pick the option I really want to with certain NPC's because I know they disagree and in most earlier games not agreeing with them on pretty much everything ment the romance would end.

Even though it's possible to disagree with dragon age companions and still carry on the romance you still pretty much have to go out of your way to make sure they stay happy or they get mad for good. I understand a relationship need to build on something but considering it's a sort of one way street I consider it a bit unfair. None of the dragon age companions was ever that supportive of our grey wardens problems for example.

Modifié par zazei, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:23 .

[TheSimsMaster]

Funny....I remember a thread just like this when Mass Effect 2 was announced. ;-)