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[AllThatJazz]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Arlana Tabris wrote...

Took me a while to find… I’ll just leave it here (disregard, if someone else has already posted this):
http://forums.biowar...orum=135&sp=675
I’ll quote the relevant part (taken from the first Developer’s post on that page):

David Gaider wrote...
The kind of guy with that broken-nose ruggedness, the sort that would pick you up like you weighed a feather and throw you against the wall to kiss you. The sort that growls more than he talks, that sort of thing. I'll have to try writing someone like that sometime.

*hopes that time has come*

Oh wow. ... I squeed when I read this ... oh PLEASE Mr. Gaider WRITE THIS!  I'll bake you cookies!  Or zucchini bread!  Or SOMETHING!  I'll clean your house! 

WingsandRings wrote...

I just want Bioware to make sure that the romances all can last throughout the entire game, rather than hitting a wall half-way through, like the Alistair romance. Zevran's was nicely set up, in that you COULDN'T move up until after the Landsmeet. That said, it's...awkward to me to be supposedly romantically involved with someone, and yet the only dialogue option you really have is "wanna have sex?" for hours and hours of gameplay because you've exhausted all the others.

I actually have to agree with you on this.  After tent time there was nothing to talk about.  I mean even talking to Kaiden about a previous mission was fun, why didn't they do that at least?

Ooooo, a rugged growly man. Yum. Or at least someone a bit taciturn. I always liked Sagacious Zu from Jade Empire. Sky was sweet enough (dead wife annoyances aside), but Sagacious cynical, world-weary, only talks when he's got something to say Zu (to use his full name ) would have been my ideal in that game.

[Blessed Silence]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

I must be the only one who wants an older male character (like 40s) as option.

Eh oh well ... *steals Teagan*

Hey no, I posted quite a few pages back in favour of an older LI  And there's a lot of love for Giles from Buffy. You give Teagan back, you! 

No! He's mine!

Though glad to see I'm not the only one.  I don't mind younger LI'sbut to know I have a chance at an older man I run across ... mrow.

[ladyofpayne]

I am so tired of "whiny man" a-la Alistair. David Gaider if you can write strong woman (Morry) why you can't write strong man a-la Oberyn Martell (A Song of Ice and Fire Martin) or Tyrion Lannister (not apperance please)? It is hard for you?

[mopotter]

Malanek999 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Yes ironically his complete lack of acknowledgement of the whole creepy dictator dad thing makes him seem to have issues when he's not really supposed to. That's at least as unhealthy as being obsessed with it.

Bottling it up inside and not wanting to talk about it is a typical guy thing. Convince yourself it's not an issue, and it's not an issue.

Anarya wrote...
I actually think Alistair was pretty normal in his handling of grief, but I know lots of people would disagree. His major dysfunction was his sense of self-worth if anything.

I don't think Alistair went over the top, but Morrigan implies he did off camera. I honestly think Jacobs attitude and refusal to speak about his family issues is much more typical for a guy.

Not just guys, but your right, usually it's the men don't cry, suck it up, attitude guys are taught.  (at least from my generation).  Took my grandmother years before she cried about my grandfathers death and then my mom's death.  ('83 '85 old history).  But she was raised that you don't show your feelings in public and she just bottled them all in.  I was just glad I was there when she finally started grieving.    

Anarya - I agree it's Alistairs self-worth that is the problem.  

[mopotter]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mopotter wrote...

I don't have a problem with video games.  Everything I do in a video game is something I wouldn't do in the real world.  As long as I can kill of or send away any of the LI I don't want to interact with I'm fine with it.

And this is why I'm perfectly happy to muck about with extremely dangerous/problematic characters in video games.  Come to think of it, of all the fictional guys I've fangirled over, modded or otherwise, there are very very few I would even consider giving the time of day in real life.  I'd probably be friends with Garrus.  And I might romance Alistair; his doofy sense of humor is identical to my boyfriend's, which gave him an unfair advantage.  But IRL, I would not touch Zev, Bishop, Atton, Ozai, or even my favorite modded romance of Kivan with a ten foot pole.  

I was thinking more along the lines of killing the evil doers and throwing magic around for my video experiences, I play gray to saintly  but I like the idea that if I ever want to be evil I can try it out in a video game.  
I have found I feel bad if I'm rude or evil to someone I don't personally thing deserved it so since I play to have fun and feel the good emotional highs, I kill evil and help the downtrodden.    Agonize over who to leave behind and celebrate the magnificent heroic ending I deserve.  :innocent: 

[mopotter]

Riona45 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Snookers wrote...

I might be alone on this one...but how about a sexy brooding chocolate man who has...yes trust issues! I'm kinda sick of the whole look they usually go for...You know what I mean.

I don't think your alone.  The LI skin isn't going to matter to me, as long as the personality is there.  I haven't done the Jacob romance because of Shepard's stalker like tone when she talks to him.  I like Jacob as a character.

Seconded--I liked having Jacob for a friend (didn't do any love interests in ME2 because I wanted to stick with Kaidan).  The trust issues part...eh...it's a matter of taste, and I might not mind depending on the character, but it is often regarded as a bit played out by now.

PS:  It's not the most memorable romance, but Aarin Gend in the Neverwinter Nights official campaign was a black LI.

Any of my Shepards who romanced Kaidan stayed with Kaidan.    He is actually my favorite LI of them all.  But I have a couple of Shepards who either didn't romance anyone in ME1 or made the hard decision of leaving Kaidan behind.  One of them romanced Thane and that was rather sweet.  

It's been a long time since i played NWN I do sort of remember Aarin Gend and remember that I wished he would join my group.  

[mopotter]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Well. Tell us how you really feel Sable Rhapsody. ~Dies laughing~

I can't help it.  There are some things in certain BioWare games that really set me off.  The Carth Syndrome is one.  Neverwinter, Aribeth, and Nasher are others.  Though the nice thing about video games is that I can usually kill the people who ****** me off quite that much, one way or another.  I got to kill Aribeth TWICE.  I say that's an overall win 

BioWare is good at that.  It's part of their magic.  <_<  I had this happen with DA and the Alistair ending.  I actually wrote a paperabout why it was so wrong not to have one ending out of all they gave us, were Alistair was rational if you were his LI instead of his friend.   Still get upset when I think about it.   They write characters I care about or dislike a lot.  Good writers.  

[mopotter]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Being a female gamer, I fell in love with Alistair. The first time I played DAO, I was a Dalish Rogue. At the end, when Alistair became king and told me we had to end our relationship, I was like "WHAT??? Oh no! ...Reload!" Because I was so emotionally attached to him, I couldn't just let him go like that. Even my husband teased me about loving Alistair more than him. So I think that Bioware really did a great job of the romantic build up with Alistair and the development of his character.

With Zevran, it was like, "Oh, sex? Sure." "More sex? Okay." "Hmm... Sex... Yawn..." I really didn't have that emotional attachment to Zevran. And Leliana was just too girly for my taste. Shoes, whoopty-do. You like my hair? Thanks... I guess...

One of the issues I had was that once Alistair was courted and in love, the conversations basically stopped until the very end before the battle. I need more substance than that! More emotion, more flirting... You know, he could flirt with my character when we got back to camp, have his own ideas about going to bed, rather than me initiating it all.

So when it comes to DA2, I hope that the characters will be so in-depth that I'll have that same emotional attachment to them. I want them to be more realistic, and if I'm in a relationship with them, I want them to behave accordingly.

I'm all for another goofy-sweet Alistair. I haven't played the other Bioware games, so I don't know what other romantic interests are like, but I wouldn't mind a relationship with Varric, Dwarves need love, too. And Varric is rogueishly handsome, for a dwarf.

Most of BioWare games have great romances and interaction with the other NPC's included.  One of the reasons I stick with them.  

I personally have Knights of the Old Republic as #1 in  my top 5 list for romance banter and all over goodness. And that's both male and female romance options.    Mass Effect 1 left me happy and I have high hopes for ME3.  ME2 has some nice stuff but seemed more - we may die tomorrow lets have sex just in case, but a couple of them were good.  DA of course is in the top 5, I just had problems with what they did with the Alistair romance ending.
And Yes!  They need to have conversations throughout the game,.  

[zazei]

How about a LI for once that has a twisted sorf of Carth Syndrome? I mean a former wife that's still alive but got dumped because she was a total ****. Now the highest praise he can give would perhaps not be to compare us to her but say something like "You are nothing like her!". Now I wouldn't really want that but I admit I would find it somewhat amusing none the less. Especially if we got to meet the wife. (Bonus points if it's Goldana and he wouldn't try to defend her at all) 

Modifié par zazei, 05 août 2010 - 12:10 .

[mopotter]

Riona45 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

So, hey. California overturned Prop 8 today.

 
That's wonderful news!

I'm from California. So therefore, this thread is offensive to me as it is clearly about HETEROSEXUALS.

..... no?

In spite of the topic name, other people besides straight women have posted here and were welcomed.*  I'm fine with hearing different viewpoints, myself.

*The ones who weren't just trying to push people's buttons, that is.

Me too.  I'm straight but I like having the same sex romances in BioWare games.  I'm also female, but enjoyed the JE male romance with sky.  And the male romance with Silk Fox and Dawn Star which is something my husband will never experience while I'm around.  

[mopotter]

Tinxa wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

And Leliana was just too girly for my taste. Shoes, whoopty-do. You like my hair? Thanks... I guess...

One of the issues I had was that once Alistair was courted and in love, the conversations basically stopped until the very end before the battle. I need more substance than that! More emotion, more flirting... You know, he could flirt with my character when we got back to camp, have his own ideas about going to bed, rather than me initiating it all.

.

I liked that about Leliana. I slave for hours in the character creator and FINALLY an NPC notices
but it was rather unfortunate that I chose the same hairstyle Lel has so I was like "Oh you're only saying that because YOUR hair is the same"

What I didn't like about Alistair romance is that you don't get the "last night together" scene especially if you don't choose the DR. So there I was playing through the Denerim battle, last conversation with Alistair was a long time ago, I'm waiting for some grand love scene (or at least expecting Riordan to come through for us) until I got to the end and Alistair sacrificed himself  so I had to reload and do the DR

I also liked Leliana's shows and hair talk.  I LOVE shoes.  Used to have so many different kinds, heals, flats, and my husband teased me about them.  It was fun talking to Leliana about them.  

And I also felt cheated without the last night together scene.  When he said he didn't really want to go to Morrigan I agreed  and so one of us was going to die and he doesn't spend the night with me?  Just not right.    
(What's DR?)  

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Explain.

They poured a crapload of time, money, and manpower into campaigning for Prop 8 to be passed in the first place.

No! Stop! Stop! No religion, no politics! We'll get the thread closed and it's my favorite.

Agree.  Keep on topic, or at least stick something in about the topic so we can claim it's not going off track.  

[Kohaku]

I posted in the thread but never gave my opinion. I just thought about that after I was collecting Demon Contracts and monster pieces in the middle of a floating pirate ship last night (Don't ask).



Romances are not the reason I play Bioware games so lets get that on the table now. I liked Alistair, don't get me wrong. However, I really don't want a romance like him again. I'm dying for a real man. I don't want to have to sort out all of his issues, Daddy Drama, Mommy Drama, Insecure Drama, etc. I want one that's going to show me up. One that'll be sarcastic and try to outdo me. One that's dying to impress me on the inside but a rival on the outside. I want a guy that's willing to go toe to toe with me. One that pushes me to do my best while bandaging my leg and scolding me for being reckless. Someone like Loghain actually. I have this love/hate relationship with him. I just love the guy. Man, if he had been an LI I would have spared him in my playthoughs. Well the ones I'm attempting anyway.

[AllThatJazz]

 Mo Potter wrote:  They write characters I care about or dislike a lot.  Good writers. 
Very true. I consider the fact that I disliked Anomen to be a strange sort of compliment to Mr Gaider & co. I managed to be irritated by the character and impressed by the writing at the same time. I believed in that self-righteous git! 

[Tinxa]

mopotter wrote...

And I also felt cheated without the last night together scene.  When he said he didn't really want to go to Morrigan I agreed  and so one of us was going to die and he doesn't spend the night with me?  Just not right.    
(What's DR?)  

Dark ritual
I was CONVINCED that if I said no to Morrigan I would at least get the same "lovescene" with the PC taking Morrigan's place (and Alistair looking less horriffied) but it didn't happen. The only thing you could talk tabout with Alistair on your possibly last night together was if he should do the ritual with Morrigan or not
Not to mention that if you romanced Zevran nothing happened either.
I would just love to have a grand romance finale before the final battle in DA2.

[TMZuk]

Alistair was great when he wasn't whining. His humour and looks was fine. His constant sobbing, his father-issues and his lack of self-esteem was a downer.

Zevran was amusing, if over the top. Luckily he ran deeper than I thought at first, which made the romance worthwhile.

I never pursued the Leliana romance with a female character, lesbian and gay romances don't do it for me.

Generally spoken, I don't think much of Biowares male characters as romantic options. In ME/ME2 Kaidan was all right, but Jacob was a wet blanket, Garrus was to alien, and the green,trench-coated emo-kid assuredly didn't do it for me.

Compared to the romantic interests for men in Bioware's games of the past, they compare poorly: Jaheira, Viconia, Ashley, Samantha, Miranda and last but assuredly not least: Morrigan.

The key-word here is strenght. Strong male characters without the sort of issues that turns them into whiners, would be great when playing female characters.

Modifié par TMZuk, 05 août 2010 - 12:51 .

[AllThatJazz]

TMZuk wrote...

Alistair was great when he wasn't whining. His humour and looks was fine. His constant sobbing, his father-issues and his lack of self-esteem was a downer.

Zevran was amusing, if over the top. Luckily he ran deeper than I thought at first, which made the romance worthwhile.

I never pursued the Leliana romance with a female character, lesbian and gay romances don't do it for me.

Generally spoken, I don't think much of Biowares male characters as romantic options. In ME/ME2 Kaidan was all right, but Jacob was a wet blanket, Garrus was to alien, and the green,trench-coated emo-kid assuredly didn't do it for me.

Compared to the romantic interests for men in Bioware's games of the past, they compare poorly: Jaheira, Viconia, Ashley, Samantha, Miranda and last but assuredly not least: Morrigan.

The key-word here is strenght. Strong male characters without the sort of issues that turns them into whiners, would be great when playing female characters.

See I reckon they got it spot on with both Alistair and Garrus. Alistair for me had the right combination of humour, strength and emotional awareness (which meant he wasn't afraid of actually being emotional). And Garrus - well, Garrus is just perfect. Snarky but sweet, and an intriguing combination of ****iness and modesty. . Plus a voice that gives me tremors. I don't have some kind of Turian fetish, but Garrus is, I think, the most attractive character in any Bioware game, ever. Plus, both are handy to have around in a fight.

I found Kaiden, if not fascinating, then at least fine. I disliked Anomen as I've stated more than once, and I would have liked Thane, Carth and Sky a lot more without the dead wife comparisons. Jacob and Zev I can't comment on as I haven't done their romances. I loved Zev as a non-romance, though, and my main objection to Taylor was that FemShep spoke to him like she was doing a Linda Lovelace impression.

I wouldn't say that this compares all that unfavourably to female LIs. Er, who's Samantha? On your list, only Jaheira and Morrigan really appealed to me, though I also love weird Leliana and confused Bastila. And tormented Juhani. <3

[Anarya]

I don't really understand how Alistair comes off as "whining" or especially "constantly sobbing". Daddy issues? Yes. Self-esteem problems? Absolutely. But a crybaby? Not so much.



But I don't equate telling you about things like this when you prod him to whining.

[TMZuk]

AllThatJazz wrote...

I wouldn't say that this compares all that unfavourably to female LIs. Er, who's Samantha? On your list, only Jaheira and Morrigan really appealed to me, though I also love weird Leliana and confused Bastila. And tormented Juhani. <3

... *Bonks own head* Samara. Not Samantha. Sorry.

And I DO like Garrus as a character, just not his looks.

Modifié par TMZuk, 05 août 2010 - 01:43 .

[AllThatJazz]

TMZuk wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

I wouldn't say that this compares all that unfavourably to female LIs. Er, who's Samantha? On your list, only Jaheira and Morrigan really appealed to me, though I also love weird Leliana and confused Bastila. And tormented Juhani. <3

... *Bonks own head* Samara. Not Samantha. Sorry.

Ok , yes, 'Sam' is marvellous. On balance the female LIs probably have it, then. But one Garrus = any two, or even three girls 

Also, I might feel differently about Garrus's sexiness if his voice actor were different. Guess we'll never know.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 05 août 2010 - 01:48 .

[Kohaku]

Garrus has the perfect voice. That is why he is my favorite character in Mass Effect and probably all Bioware games. A mix of a Garrus and Loghain would make my day.

[phaonica]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I posted in the thread but never gave my opinion. I just thought about that after I was collecting Demon Contracts and monster pieces in the middle of a floating pirate ship last night (Don't ask).

Romances are not the reason I play Bioware games so lets get that on the table now. I liked Alistair, don't get me wrong. However, I really don't want a romance like him again. I'm dying for a real man. I don't want to have to sort out all of his issues, Daddy Drama, Mommy Drama, Insecure Drama, etc. I want one that's going to show me up. One that'll be sarcastic and try to outdo me. One that's dying to impress me on the inside but a rival on the outside. I want a guy that's willing to go toe to toe with me. One that pushes me to do my best while bandaging my leg and scolding me for being reckless. Someone like Loghain actually. I have this love/hate relationship with him. I just love the guy. Man, if he had been an LI I would have spared him in my playthoughs. Well the ones I'm attempting anyway.

Loghain is my primary choice for LI in Origins. He certainly had his share of Drama, yet he was strong, and was trying his damnedest to fix things. I  him so much!

[Kohaku]

phaonica wrote...

Loghain is my primary choice for LI in Origins. He certainly had his share of Drama, yet he was strong, and was trying his damnedest to fix things. I  him so much!

I find him a truly interesting character. There’s so much depth to him. He’s not a guy I’d want to change or make him be something other than himself. He’s someone I’d accept for who he was, what he did and try my hardest to understand his motivations. Sorry Alistair.

[Kohaku]

Darth Jayder wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Loghain is my primary choice for LI in Origins. He certainly had his share of Drama, yet he was strong, and was trying his damnedest to fix things. I  him so much!

I find him a truly interesting character. There’s so much depth to him. He’s not a guy I’d want to change or make him be something other than himself. He’s someone I’d accept for who he was, what he did and try my hardest to understand his motivations. Sorry Alistair.

But...but...the guy is traitor slime ball.  Sure he is strong and motivated etc.  But he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of wardens who were on his side.  I'm not an Alistair fan either really...but Loghain??

I remember early on when I started posting here I'll never forget how much I loathed Loghain. I had nasty things to say about him. It totally remember saying I would let Alistair kill him again and again in all my play throughs. Then I read the Stolen Throne and I kind of snapped. I just... I don't know what happened. I just loved the character.