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[mopotter]

AllThatJazz wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Alistair was great when he wasn't whining. His humour and looks was fine. His constant sobbing, his father-issues and his lack of self-esteem was a downer.

Zevran was amusing, if over the top. Luckily he ran deeper than I thought at first, which made the romance worthwhile.

I never pursued the Leliana romance with a female character, lesbian and gay romances don't do it for me.

Generally spoken, I don't think much of Biowares male characters as romantic options. In ME/ME2 Kaidan was all right, but Jacob was a wet blanket, Garrus was to alien, and the green,trench-coated emo-kid assuredly didn't do it for me.

Compared to the romantic interests for men in Bioware's games of the past, they compare poorly: Jaheira, Viconia, Ashley, Samantha, Miranda and last but assuredly not least: Morrigan.

The key-word here is strenght. Strong male characters without the sort of issues that turns them into whiners, would be great when playing female characters.

See I reckon they got it spot on with both Alistair and Garrus. Alistair for me had the right combination of humour, strength and emotional awareness (which meant he wasn't afraid of actually being emotional). And Garrus - well, Garrus is just perfect. Snarky but sweet, and an intriguing combination of ****iness and modesty. . Plus a voice that gives me tremors. I don't have some kind of Turian fetish, but Garrus is, I think, the most attractive character in any Bioware game, ever. Plus, both are handy to have around in a fight.

I found Kaiden, if not fascinating, then at least fine. I disliked Anomen as I've stated more than once, and I would have liked Thane, Carth and Sky a lot more without the dead wife comparisons. Jacob and Zev I can't comment on as I haven't done their romances. I loved Zev as a non-romance, though, and my main objection to Taylor was that FemShep spoke to him like she was doing a Linda Lovelace impression.

I wouldn't say that this compares all that unfavourably to female LIs. Er, who's Samantha? On your list, only Jaheira and Morrigan really appealed to me, though I also love weird Leliana and confused Bastila. And tormented Juhani. <3

I agree, well except for the dead wife which doesn't bother me.  :happy:.  All of the BioWare LI I enjoyed (Alistair, Carth, Kaidan, Garrus, Thane)  have strength of character.  The are honest, kind, dependable and very able in a fight.  I really hope I will still have this type of LI in DA2 and that they will also put in  a few other character types to chose from.  

I enjoy the male LI they give us, just as much as the female.  I adore Alistair and daydream about Carth and Kaidan  (daydreams are not real and do not count) and probably would have liked Taylor, but couldn't get past Shepards' tone.    Garrus has a wonderful voice, but I don't romance him because I like the idea of friends who blow things up together.  

My husband did not like Morrigan called her names and wouldn't talk to her but my male warden broke into her shell and found an interesting character.  I also confused and teased Bastila.  It was fun.

[Norskatt]

I read both of the novels & personally I still can't stand Loghain. He was somewhat of a better person in the novels but there was still something about him, even then, that made me dislike him. Especially when he withheld the information about Katriel and let Maric execute her without the whole truth. Maric's decision would have probably been the same but Loghain deceived him just to get the end result he wanted. I found it very difficult to give up Alistair for Loghain in the game.

[mopotter]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Darth Jayder wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Loghain is my primary choice for LI in Origins. He certainly had his share of Drama, yet he was strong, and was trying his damnedest to fix things. I  him so much!

I find him a truly interesting character. There’s so much depth to him. He’s not a guy I’d want to change or make him be something other than himself. He’s someone I’d accept for who he was, what he did and try my hardest to understand his motivations. Sorry Alistair.

But...but...the guy is traitor slime ball.  Sure he is strong and motivated etc.  But he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of wardens who were on his side.  I'm not an Alistair fan either really...but Loghain??

I remember early on when I started posting here I'll never forget how much I loathed Loghain. I had nasty things to say about him. It totally remember saying I would let Alistair kill him again and again in all my play throughs. Then I read the Stolen Throne and I kind of snapped. I just... I don't know what happened. I just loved the character.

I also read the book.  Still don't love Loghain.  But i did feel sorry for him and I understood why he didn't help the king, just disagreed with it and still think he was a traitor.  But he redeemed himself when he became a warden so that Alistair and his daughter would have a chance of happiness and I could leave with Zev.
 He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

[Addai]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I am so tired of "whiny man" a-la Alistair. David Gaider if you can write strong woman (Morry) why you can't write strong man a-la Oberyn Martell (A Song of Ice and Fire Martin) or Tyrion Lannister (not apperance please)? It is hard for you?

Oberyn the serial bastard-spawner, who beat a woman for protesting because he was taking her daughter away?

Yeah, that's so my idea of a great romantic lead. 

Modifié par Addai67, 05 août 2010 - 05:34 .

[phaonica]

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

[mordy_was_here]

phaonica wrote...

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

There is indeed a lot more to Loghain than "zomg traitor!" Took him with me once and never looked back.

[mopotter]

phaonica wrote...

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

The dead wife comments are mostly for the ones who want a LI without a dead wife in their background. 

I actually don't mind the dead wife syndrome.  Carth was 38, I'm not sure how old Sky was but I assumed he was at least in his late 20's, Thane is older for his race, and for me, the dead wife shows they were able to have a relationship in the past they cared about so have a good chance to care about my character.  It's not a necessity, Kaidan is one of my favorite LI, but I won't mind if they use it again.  

Loghain isn't my type, he tried to control everything way too much in the books and I can see him trying to tell my character what to do.  She would react badly.  Tell her to go right and she will go left, even if it means she walks in a puddle.  Tell her there is a puddle up on the left and she will go around it.  but I can see the appeal.

[burrito]

I wish the male romances where like the female romances. We got a mage that hates the world and a bard that doesnt even like men. lol.

[Addai]

burrito wrote...

I wish the male romances where like the female romances. We got a mage that hates the world and a bard that doesnt even like men. lol.

I did kinda feel sorry for you!

[Astranagant]

There should be a guy who responds to villains by just screaming and punching their heads off before they can finish one sentence of their evil gloating speech.

burrito wrote...

I wish the male romances where like the female romances. We got a mage that hates the world and a bard that doesnt even like men. lol.

Uh.... Males can romance Leliana, you know. Also you can go gay with Zevran.

Modifié par Astranagant, 05 août 2010 - 05:38 .

[Saibh]

mopotter wrote...

phaonica wrote...

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

The dead wife comments are mostly for the ones who want a LI without a dead wife in their background. 

I actually don't mind the dead wife syndrome.  Carth was 38, I'm not sure how old Sky was but I assumed he was at least in his late 20's, Thane is older for his race, and for me, the dead wife shows they were able to have a relationship in the past they cared about so have a good chance to care about my character.  It's not a necessity, Kaidan is one of my favorite LI, but I won't mind if they use it again.  

Loghain isn't my type, he tried to control everything way too much in the books and I can see him trying to tell my character what to do.  She would react badly.  Tell her to go right and she will go left, even if it means she walks in a puddle.  Tell her there is a puddle up on the left and she will go around it.  but I can see the appeal.

But why must they be dead? Why must we be compared to them? 

I tell you, no man in his right mind would dare compare you to his dead spouse and expect you to stay with him. That's not healthy, that's not okay.

I'm pretty sure the reason BioWare makes all these dead wives is because they assume we love commitment, and they don't want the love interest being a divorcé (either because that makes him a bad guy in our eyes, or because it means there's "the other woman" hanging around somewhere), they kill her off. Now he has feelings.

[burrito]

Well Leliana's forbidden fruit comment beat all romances but still females got spoiled in dao. lol

You guys will prolly get a li of alistair and anders combined.

[Blessed Silence]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

I must be the only one who wants an older male character (like 40s) as option.

Eh oh well ... *steals Teagan*

No.  40 is a good age.  Some of us liked the idea of a character like Giles from Buffy.  Giles was born in 1955 so in 1997 when the show started he would have been 42.  40 is a great age.    But so is 30.  

The only reason I have a problem with older characters is probably due to my own age.  My PCs tend to be around my age, give or take a few years.  Which makes any relationships with characters over 30-some feel rather...off.  I found Casavir creeptastic for precisely this reason.  I was like, "OK...I don't know who the Knight Captain's father was, and you're old enough to be her dad.  NO.  JUST NO."

Which also explains why I never got the Bann Teagan love until I replayed.  He didn't flirt much with my mage, because she was only 20 years old and I found the flirting a touch creepy 

Being near 35 myself 40 isn't much of a stretch!

For me, I like older men as they are (seemingly) more mature than younger men in games who are mostly all testosterone and trying to one up each other.  Ugh, I need my man not to be always trying to kill themselves.

[burrito]

Want some Arl Eamon. lol

[Bryy_Miller]

Saibh wrote...

mopotter wrote...

phaonica wrote...

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

The dead wife comments are mostly for the ones who want a LI without a dead wife in their background. 

I actually don't mind the dead wife syndrome.  Carth was 38, I'm not sure how old Sky was but I assumed he was at least in his late 20's, Thane is older for his race, and for me, the dead wife shows they were able to have a relationship in the past they cared about so have a good chance to care about my character.  It's not a necessity, Kaidan is one of my favorite LI, but I won't mind if they use it again.  

Loghain isn't my type, he tried to control everything way too much in the books and I can see him trying to tell my character what to do.  She would react badly.  Tell her to go right and she will go left, even if it means she walks in a puddle.  Tell her there is a puddle up on the left and she will go around it.  but I can see the appeal.

But why must they be dead? Why must we be compared to them? 

I tell you, no man in his right mind would dare compare you to his dead spouse and expect you to stay with him. That's not healthy, that's not okay.

Um, but that's what Cyclops does.

[AllThatJazz]

Saibh wrote...

mopotter wrote...

phaonica wrote...

mopotter wrote...
He has a dead wife you know.   Ohhh and he was in love with the dead queen.  :devil:

That's true. He's an older guy, though, so it'd be rather curious if he didn't have *any* past love interests.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did, too, but for various reasons, I decided to give him another chance, and then it turned out that I really liked him. What can I say.

The dead wife comments are mostly for the ones who want a LI without a dead wife in their background. 

I actually don't mind the dead wife syndrome.  Carth was 38, I'm not sure how old Sky was but I assumed he was at least in his late 20's, Thane is older for his race, and for me, the dead wife shows they were able to have a relationship in the past they cared about so have a good chance to care about my character.  It's not a necessity, Kaidan is one of my favorite LI, but I won't mind if they use it again.  

Loghain isn't my type, he tried to control everything way too much in the books and I can see him trying to tell my character what to do.  She would react badly.  Tell her to go right and she will go left, even if it means she walks in a puddle.  Tell her there is a puddle up on the left and she will go around it.  but I can see the appeal.

But why must they be dead? Why must we be compared to them? 

I tell you, no man in his right mind would dare compare you to his dead spouse and expect you to stay with him. That's not healthy, that's not okay.

I'm pretty sure the reason BioWare makes all these dead wives is because they assume we love commitment, and they don't want the love interest being a divorcé (either because that makes him a bad guy in our eyes, or because it means there's "the other woman" hanging around somewhere), they kill her off. Now he has feelings.

This, really. It's less that there is a dead wife, and more that I'm being told I'm reminiscent of them in a way I find slightly creepy. I would like to remind my man of me, or possibly of some uber powerful mythological sex goddess.  I would actually prefer the divorce thing as long as a) there are no residual husbandly feelings and the marriage didn't end because he was being a ******. 

[Maria13]

Norskatt wrote...

I read both of the novels & personally I still can't stand Loghain. He was somewhat of a better person in the novels but there was still something about him, even then, that made me dislike him. Especially when he withheld the information about Katriel and let Maric execute her without the whole truth. Maric's decision would have probably been the same but Loghain deceived him just to get the end result he wanted. I found it very difficult to give up Alistair for Loghain in the game.

Share this opinion entirely.  It's weird because most people say I didn't like Loghain... Until I read the novels... But I've read the novels and still don't like the guy.  He is humourless and creepy. Natch.

[AllThatJazz]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

I must be the only one who wants an older male character (like 40s) as option.

Eh oh well ... *steals Teagan*

No.  40 is a good age.  Some of us liked the idea of a character like Giles from Buffy.  Giles was born in 1955 so in 1997 when the show started he would have been 42.  40 is a great age.    But so is 30.  

The only reason I have a problem with older characters is probably due to my own age.  My PCs tend to be around my age, give or take a few years.  Which makes any relationships with characters over 30-some feel rather...off.  I found Casavir creeptastic for precisely this reason.  I was like, "OK...I don't know who the Knight Captain's father was, and you're old enough to be her dad.  NO.  JUST NO."

Which also explains why I never got the Bann Teagan love until I replayed.  He didn't flirt much with my mage, because she was only 20 years old and I found the flirting a touch creepy 

Being near 35 myself 40 isn't much of a stretch!

For me, I like older men as they are (seemingly) more mature than younger men in games who are mostly all testosterone and trying to one up each other.  Ugh, I need my man not to be always trying to kill themselves.

Yes. 40 = no longer old. Though I appreciate (and like) that an older in-game LI could be this age, in RL for me now an 'older' LI would probably be barely mobile. Sigh <_<

[Addai]

Maria13 wrote...

Norskatt wrote...

I read both of the novels & personally I still can't stand Loghain. He was somewhat of a better person in the novels but there was still something about him, even then, that made me dislike him. Especially when he withheld the information about Katriel and let Maric execute her without the whole truth. Maric's decision would have probably been the same but Loghain deceived him just to get the end result he wanted. I found it very difficult to give up Alistair for Loghain in the game.

Share this opinion entirely.  It's weird because most people say I didn't like Loghain... Until I read the novels... But I've read the novels and still don't like the guy.  He is humourless and creepy. Natch.

Yes, I would say I actually liked him less after reading the novels.

Re. an older guy, it would be great but I think only if my PC were also older.  Will be interesting to see how they develop a romance story line over 10 years.

[Kornichon]

burrito wrote...

Want some Arl Eamon. lol

lol.
does he just have enough strength to "frolic" with anybody?
(yeah you can tell me there's some magic roots from antiva for that problems )

[Russalka]

A bad boy. A really-really bad boy. Bishop or Atton as someone said.



Alistair was fun and loveable, but if they repeated him, it would be a bore.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Maria13 wrote...

Norskatt wrote...

I read both of the novels & personally I still can't stand Loghain. He was somewhat of a better person in the novels but there was still something about him, even then, that made me dislike him. Especially when he withheld the information about Katriel and let Maric execute her without the whole truth. Maric's decision would have probably been the same but Loghain deceived him just to get the end result he wanted. I found it very difficult to give up Alistair for Loghain in the game.

Share this opinion entirely.  It's weird because most people say I didn't like Loghain... Until I read the novels... But I've read the novels and still don't like the guy.  He is humourless and creepy. Natch.

Funnily enough, it wasn't the betrayal of the Wardens at Ostagar or even any of his actions in the novel that set me off.  Possibly because I'd seen that one coming a mile away.  It was his self-entitled arrogance while trying--and failing--to run Ferelden.  Yes, let's assume everyone will just love Loghain running the country!  Let's NOT take the Warden decimating your forces as a legitimate threat!  And of course we're allowed to sell our own FREAKING PEOPLE to blood mage slavers!  WHEE!  I hated how much of an unashamed stuck-up ass he was.  And it was the elf thing that really was the kicker.  I was considering letting him live until I got to the Alienage, and after that, my Warden was gunning for his blood.

I thought Loghain was interesting, complex, and most importantly a very very human villain.  It was like watching a very bloody train wreck.  But letting him live, at least with my "canon" Warden, was absolutely out of the question.

Anarya wrote...

I don't really understand how Alistair comes off as "whining" or especially "constantly sobbing". Daddy issues? Yes. Self-esteem problems? Absolutely. But a crybaby? Not so much. 

But I don't equate telling you about things like this when you prod him to whining.

Yeah, if you ask him about his issues, it's not Alistair whining.  It's him responding to a question.  Ya know, like a normal person .  Whining is when every conversation you have with the character gets turned to whatever topic they typically harp on, and those particular topics dominate everything about them.  Anomen whines.  Aeries whines so insufferably she must be the spirit guardian of the mosquito.  Carth arguably whines.  Kaidan whines about nothing except Brain Camp.  I wouldn't really say Alistair whines.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 05 août 2010 - 07:20 .

[Anarya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Norskatt wrote...

I read both of the novels & personally I still can't stand Loghain. He was somewhat of a better person in the novels but there was still something about him, even then, that made me dislike him. Especially when he withheld the information about Katriel and let Maric execute her without the whole truth. Maric's decision would have probably been the same but Loghain deceived him just to get the end result he wanted. I found it very difficult to give up Alistair for Loghain in the game.

Share this opinion entirely.  It's weird because most people say I didn't like Loghain... Until I read the novels... But I've read the novels and still don't like the guy.  He is humourless and creepy. Natch.

Funnily enough, it wasn't the betrayal of the Wardens at Ostagar or even any of his actions in the novel that set me off.  Possibly because I'd seen that one coming a mile away.  It was his self-entitled arrogance while trying--and failing--to run Ferelden.  Yes, let's assume everyone will just love Loghain running the country!  Let's NOT take the Warden decimating your forces as a legitimate threat!  And of course we're allowed to sell our own FREAKING PEOPLE to blood mage slavers!  WHEE!  I hated how much of an unashamed stuck-up ass he was.  And it was the elf thing that really was the kicker.  I was considering letting him live until I got to the Alienage, and after that, my Warden was gunning for his blood.

I thought Loghain was interesting, complex, and most importantly a very very human villain.  It was like watching a very bloody train wreck.  But letting him live, at least with my "canon" Warden, was absolutely out of the question.

Anarya wrote...

I don't really understand how Alistair comes off as "whining" or especially "constantly sobbing". Daddy issues? Yes. Self-esteem problems? Absolutely. But a crybaby? Not so much. 

But I don't equate telling you about things like this when you prod him to whining.

Yeah, if you ask him about his issues, it's not Alistair whining.  It's him responding to a question.  Ya know, like a normal person .  Whining is when every conversation you have with the character gets turned to whatever topic they typically harp on, and those particular topics dominate everything about them.  Anomen whines.  Aeries whines so insufferably she must be the spirit guardian of the mosquito.  Carth arguably whines.  Kaidan whines about nothing except Brain Camp.  I wouldn't really say Alistair whines.

I like Carth but I would say he whines. "Raaar I don't trust youuu" in response to everything you say to him got old after awhile.

[Bryy_Miller]

Loghain was a great villain for exactly the reasons Sable mentioned. There was a thread recently where people said Ganon and Sephiroth were great villains. But Loghain was great because he was just so damned sure that his opinion was the right one, that only he knew what was best for EVERYBODY, and in the end, that he chose death rather than living with the hell of being wrong.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 05 août 2010 - 07:25 .