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[Sable Rhapsody]

mopotter wrote...

The only thing I'll be disappointed about is if they limit our choices to one.  As much as I adore Carth, it would have been nice to have the option of Canderous. 

I'm sorry, I did read the rest of your post, but I'm going to go ahead and fixate on that because I wanted a Canderous romance so badly   Is it wrong that even though Canderous is an even older dude than Carth, I wasn't grossed out by the prospect of jumping his pants?  HOT DAMN CANDEROUS 

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
For what it's worth, even though Valen has a dead ex girlfriend in HotU, he actually IS over it, doesn't bring it up unless you ask about it, and doesn't compare you to her.

For me, this was both good and bad.  Good because Valen is over it and doesn't make a huge deal out of it.  Bad because it didn't need to be there.  It didn't contribute to his character arc or backstory particularly, and it was just plain unnecessary.  I'd rather have the Carth Syndrome present and unused than present and used, but I'd really rather just dispense with it altogether if it doesn't contribute to the character.

mllrthyme wrote...

Okay, just caught up on the thread and I just have to put my 2 cents in on Loghain.
*duck and cover for upcoming Loghain rant*
I think the writers did an amazing job with him just because I hate him so much! Any fictional character that can elicit a strong emotional reaction is aces in my book. However, due to good writing, Loghain comes off as a hypocritical poopy head! He about pisses himself because Cailin has reinforcements coming from Orlais and he doesn't approve and so leaves his king (and son-in-law) to his death. Then he states to the nation for half the game that there is no blight and it's just a bunch of BS. Then in the second half of the game he resorts to slavery, unlawful imprisonment and torture, and other heinous icky-ness in order to raise money and troops for the Blight. But wait, I thought there was no blight??? At the Landsmeet he defends these actions by saying that he would do anything to protect his country, which he screwed over in his pride by refusing help at Ostagar from the Orlesians in the first place. For a great a military leader as he was supposed to be, his actions at Ostagar were fueled by pride, he made a colossal mistake, and spent the rest of the game trying to cover his a** and not look like such a turd. 
This is why I love to hate Loghain.
*rant over, thank you*

Sounds like me and my Aribeth rant a few pages back   Also, now I kind of wish my Warden could call Loghain a "hypocritical poopy head" at the Landsmeet.  Though I don't think it's just pride that places Loghain in his precarious situation.  It's also pure, unadulterated paranoia of the Wardens, Orlais, his own shadow, a pen cap...ANYTHING that could in any crazy world present the tiniest threat to Ferelden's independence.

[Dave of Canada]

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I heard he was huge. I had to know. One thing led to another. Next thing you know... Godbabies.

Twins? Triplets?

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

mopotter wrote...
I do agree they need to widen the background stories.    

Carth, Sky, Thane - dead wife/live child or dead child
Zev many partners killed his girlfriend 

But they do have a few others.  
Alistair, no past loves
Liara, no past loves
Garrus, well we don't know much about his background except there was the  ummm wrestling match,  and he has a super duper voice, which I would not mind hearing as a LI in DA.  
Silk Fox, I don't think she had any past relationships or I didn't pay attention. 
Leliana has an evil x.  
Kaidan had a crush on a girl when he was highschool age and killed a man because of her and that's all we know about his past.
Aaroin Gend was a slave, killed a few people, I can't remember him talking about his past other than that
Valen Shadowbreath, doesn't trust you at the beginning and I don't remember anything else except the tail.  Loved the tail.
I know i"m missing the ones from BG and maybe some others, but can't remember them.    

So yes, I do agree they could widen the background pool,  but they have done other backgrounds.  Some better than others and I don't particularly want a dead wife in DA, but I don't want a complete mystery either.  I want to know if I need to see a doctor after I've spent time with my LI.    Some hint that he has been meditating in a cave for 20 years or just drifted apart from his last lover.  Or played - how many sex partners can I have in 3 weeks.  (thinking Barney Stinson here)   I'll probably enjoy whatever they write up, and everyone has come up with interesting ideas.  

The only thing I'll be disappointed about is if they limit our choices to one.  As much as I adore Carth, it would have been nice to have the option of Canderous. 

Of course they have other LI backgrounds, that's not what I'm contending. It's just having a dead-something (particularly dead wife or dead girlfriend) is such a particular plot point, and it's just all over the place. It occurs again and again and it almost never plays out right. It almost always makes me cringe.

Aarin Gend has a girlfriend that he killed. Kaidan has that girlfriend that he says he's reminded of by you, and his personality is all hung up over that. Anomen's sister is killed and he freaking proposes to you with her ring. Like that's not creepy.

With both Alistair and Liara it's sort of a point in their romances that they have no past lovers or relationships. Again, with some of the others past relationships just don't need to matter. Garrus mentions a fling he had. We never really needed to know that, and it doesn't hurt that we do, but either way, it's not important. And his romance is a big favorite amongst the fangirls.

So tell me what kind of background do you want?  Or do you want a mystery guy without a background?  I really would like to know.    I may not agree with it or I may want the same thing,  but I would be interested in what your looking for.

[Thiefy]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...


For me, this was both good and bad.  Good because Valen is over it and doesn't make a huge deal out of it.  Bad because it didn't need to be there.  It didn't contribute to his character arc or backstory particularly, and it was just plain unnecessary.  I'd rather have the Carth Syndrome present and unused than present and used, but I'd really rather just dispense with it altogether if it doesn't contribute to the character.

well yeah but in defense of his character, it was the pc who brought it up (accidently)
i think it was just there to be something fun, like a flirt.  if you think about it, the romances in HotU aren't really fleshed out in comparison to other, more current romances. i mean the only thing that really 'haunts' valen was his fear of losing his humanity again - he has more or less come to peace with every other awful thing that has happened to him (if not then those possibilities weren't explored, as you said)

[phaonica]

Sjofn wrote...

 As long as they're well-written and well acted, I will probably be content. I care not about a dwarf dude interest if I am stuck playing a human, but I really, really, really, REALLY wished there was a dwarf for my dwarf ladies to love in Origins. 

I'm all for a dwarf LI, even for my humans.

It's a shame, though, because they just can't give us every single option. Like if we got a male dwarf LI, someone would be like "Why no female dwarf LIs?!"

[Saibh]

mopotter wrote...

So tell me what kind of background do you want?  Or do you want a mystery guy without a background?  I really would like to know.    I may not agree with it or I may want the same thing,  but I would be interested in what your looking for.

I don't really have anything in mind for a background. Just...not Carth Syndrome. Look under Wynne's post on this thread to see my exact sentiments on it.

I'm pretty trusting of anything BioWare does, I just think that this sort of character background is something they've overused. I'd like to see it done away with.

[phaonica]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sounds like me and my Aribeth rant a few pages back   Also, now I kind of wish my Warden could call Loghain a "hypocritical poopy head" at the Landsmeet.  Though I don't think it's just pride that places Loghain in his precarious situation.  It's also pure, unadulterated paranoia of the Wardens, Orlais, his own shadow, a pen cap...ANYTHING that could in any crazy world present the tiniest threat to Ferelden's independence.

And that's just one more reason why more options are good, because we're not all going to agree in our interpretations of characters.

[Josielyn]

Give us Gorim again (Steve, love the voice!) but make Gorim look more like a "short" Trace Adkins, with a personality that is dutiful, tough and stoic, brutally honest & sarcastically funny, but NOT crude, and make sure there is a dialogue option somewhere she can click to listen to him reveal to her that she is his one weakness and he would die for her (then he can let down his guard while he fiercely kisses her). And the romanceable man should give the main character a gift with special powers/uses once she wins his approval 100%.

[Sable Rhapsody]

phaonica wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sounds like me and my Aribeth rant a few pages back   Also, now I kind of wish my Warden could call Loghain a "hypocritical poopy head" at the Landsmeet.  Though I don't think it's just pride that places Loghain in his precarious situation.  It's also pure, unadulterated paranoia of the Wardens, Orlais, his own shadow, a pen cap...ANYTHING that could in any crazy world present the tiniest threat to Ferelden's independence.

And that's just one more reason why more options are good, because we're not all going to agree in our interpretations of characters.

Point taken   If you take the gamut of adjectives use by fans to describe these characters, you end up with quite the interesting mish mosh.  Traits I've heard used to describe Alistair run the gamut from adorable and comforting to jerkass and crybaby   Loghain, I've always felt, gets a bit of the Draco in Leather Pants treatment, especially from those who really felt for him in the Stolen Throne.  I DID feel bad for him.  But when it came to DA:O, I also felt my mage Warden wouldn't judge his fate based on his tragic paste, but rather on his actions during his Blight.  It was his actions, not his essential personality or backstory, that condemned him in her eyes.

Josielyn wrote...

And the romanceable man should give the main character a gift with special powers/uses once she wins his approval 100%.

I'm going to quibble a little bit with this because it encourages powergaming for the romance, much the way the light side/dark side bonuses in KOTOR2 encouraged powergaming and broke any encouragement to just roleplay.  I know they do this in BG romance mods, which is fine.  If you're downloading moddable romances to play, you're probably NOT doing it for powergamey reasons.  But in the vanilla game, it's a little bit more of a problem.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 06 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[mllrthyme]

Josielyn wrote...

Give us Gorim again (Steve, love the voice!) but make Gorim look more like a "short" Trace Adkins, with a personality that is dutiful, tough and stoic, brutally honest & sarcastically funny, but NOT crude, and make sure there is a dialogue option somewhere she can click to listen to him reveal to her that she is his one weakness and he would die for her (then he can let down his guard while he fiercely kisses her). And the romanceable man should give the main character a gift with special powers/uses once she wins his approval 100%.

If there is a dwarf LI, then I want this.  Trace Adkins/Gorim meaty, rugged love machine.  Bring on the testosterone!

[Malanek]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Josielyn wrote...

And the romanceable man should give the main character a gift with special powers/uses once she wins his approval 100%.

I'm going to quibble a little bit with this because it encourages powergaming for the romance, much the way the light side/dark side bonuses in KOTOR2 encouraged powergaming and broke any encouragement to just roleplay.  I know they do this in BG romance mods, which is fine.  If you're downloading moddable romances to play, you're probably NOT doing it for powergamey reasons.  But in the vanilla game, it's a little bit more of a problem.

Agree with Sable.
But I would go further
You should in fact have to buy her/him a ring (that does absolutely nothing and cannot be unequipped), at the cost of 10 gold sovereigns, or lose approval. And then have to wear the useless ring that they give you or lose more approval.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Malanek999 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Josielyn wrote...

And the romanceable man should give the main character a gift with special powers/uses once she wins his approval 100%.

I'm going to quibble a little bit with this because it encourages powergaming for the romance, much the way the light side/dark side bonuses in KOTOR2 encouraged powergaming and broke any encouragement to just roleplay.  I know they do this in BG romance mods, which is fine.  If you're downloading moddable romances to play, you're probably NOT doing it for powergamey reasons.  But in the vanilla game, it's a little bit more of a problem.

Agree with Sable.
But I would go further
You should in fact have to buy her/him a ring (that does absolutely nothing and cannot be unequipped), at the cost of 10 gold sovereigns, or lose approval. And then have to wear the useless ring that they give you or lose more approval.

*snerk*  Real life experience much? 

[Malanek]

I always wore Morrigans +1 magic ring at the cost of much higher powered items.

[phaonica]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Loghain, I've always felt, gets a bit of the Draco in Leather Pants treatment, especially from those who really felt for him in the Stolen Throne. 

That is probably true, to an extent. But it wouldn't be a trope if it wasn't fun and appealing to a significant group of people.

[phaonica]

mllrthyme wrote...

If there is a dwarf LI, then I want this.  Trace Adkins/Gorim meaty, rugged love machine.  Bring on the testosterone!

Ooh, he would make a good looking DA dwarf

[Dave of Canada]

Malanek999 wrote...

Agree with Sable.
But I would go further
You should in fact have to buy her/him a ring (that does absolutely nothing and cannot be unequipped), at the cost of 10 gold sovereigns, or lose approval. And then have to wear the useless ring that they give you or lose more approval.

And enter arguments every discussion that gives you an option run to a bar for the night. You need to sleep on the couch when you come back with a note saying "no sex" that puts a debuff on you that lasts three hours that prevents you from sleeping with your LI for that time, yet after the debuff is gone you get the "makeup sex" buff that increases your Constitution by 5 but reduces your stamina by 3.

[Malanek]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Agree with Sable.
But I would go further
You should in fact have to buy her/him a ring (that does absolutely nothing and cannot be unequipped), at the cost of 10 gold sovereigns, or lose approval. And then have to wear the useless ring that they give you or lose more approval.

And enter arguments every discussion that gives you an option run to a bar for the night. You need to sleep on the couch when you come back with a note saying "no sex" that puts a debuff on you that lasts three hours that prevents you from sleeping with your LI for that time, yet after the debuff is gone you get the "makeup sex" buff that increases your Constitution by 5 but reduces your stamina by 3.

It's worth it for the net gain

[mllrthyme]

phaonica wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Loghain, I've always felt, gets a bit of the Draco in Leather Pants treatment, especially from those who really felt for him in the Stolen Throne. 

That is probably true, to an extent. But it wouldn't be a trope if it wasn't fun and appealing to a significant group of people.

I've been trying to understand this, really I have, and I think Loghain is a great character, but a romance interest???  I'm all about diversity and understand that different people find different traits attractive, plus diversity in a game adds flavor, but I'm just flabergasted when it comes to him.  What's so attractive about Loghain?  If someone could explain it to me I would greatly appreciated it because I'm slightly bias - see earlier rant.

[Dave of Canada]

mllrthyme wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Loghain, I've always felt, gets a bit of the Draco in Leather Pants treatment, especially from those who really felt for him in the Stolen Throne. 

That is probably true, to an extent. But it wouldn't be a trope if it wasn't fun and appealing to a significant group of people.

I've been trying to understand this, really I have, and I think Loghain is a great character, but a romance interest???  I'm all about diversity and understand that different people find different traits attractive, plus diversity in a game adds flavor, but I'm just flabergasted when it comes to him.  What's so attractive about Loghain?  If someone could explain it to me I would greatly appreciated it because I'm slightly bias - see earlier rant.

Because he has Carth Syndrome, obviously! *kidding*

[mllrthyme]

Dave of Canada wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

I've been trying to understand this, really I have, and I think Loghain is a great character, but a romance interest???  I'm all about diversity and understand that different people find different traits attractive, plus diversity in a game adds flavor, but I'm just flabergasted when it comes to him.  What's so attractive about Loghain?  If someone could explain it to me I would greatly appreciated it because I'm slightly bias - see earlier rant.

Because he has Carth Syndrome, obviously! *kidding*

Careful you, or you may just get barred from your "make-up sex buff" and miss out on those extra 5 constitution points.

[Saibh]

Malanek999 wrote...

I always wore Morrigans +1 magic ring at the cost of much higher powered items.

I always wore Nelaros' (the fiance from City Elf Origin) ring, and it didn't do anything but exist. I sort of felt guilty about it when I romanced Zev. 

Modifié par Saibh, 06 août 2010 - 03:19 .

[Dave of Canada]

mllrthyme wrote...


Careful you, or you may just get barred from your "make-up sex buff" and miss out on those extra 5 constitution points.

Damn it, the debuff just extended.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I always wore Morrigans +1 magic ring at the cost of much higher powered items.

I always wore Nelaros' (the fiance from City Elf Origin) ring, and it didn't do anything but exist. I sort of felt guilty about it when I romanced Zev. 

When I tried Female City Elf, I also kept the ring on me at all times except for when I romanced somebody. I removed it and pretended to keep it as a momento of my character's life from before the Grey Wardens.

[xyzmkrysvr]

I'm not sure if it's been said before, but I would like to romance a male Orlesian chevalier.



In DA:O I found Riordan's accent to be incredibly sexy - it was a shame we couldn't seduce him the night before the Battle of Denerim like my female Cousland seduced Dairren...

*wistful sigh*



Anyway, the chevalier might initially start off as a pompous, arrogant jerk who makes snide comments, questioning Lady Hawke's ability to lead (unlike Alistair, who was like a sad, lost little neutered pup that followed my female Warden around without question).

The chevalier would secretly be in love with Lady Hawke, but he wouldn't want anyone to know, so he would tease her and make her hate him at first. They would, eventually, have passionate, angry sex together after a shouting match ended with him grabbing her and kissing her (Lady Hawke could then decide to slap him or kiss him back).



...Yes, that would be nice *blushes*

[Bryy_Miller]

Wow. You just went there. You went for it so much.