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Querne wrote...

I wouldn´t mind either if starting a romance or convincing somebody to trust you would be a little bit more difficult.


And to think, I was just talking about Carth in another thread!  Although to be fair, I suppose there are ways to make the PC earn an NPC's trust without making them too much like Carth.*



*I do like Carth, but I also know he has a bit of a hatedom, and in any case I just don't think it would be a good idea to have yet another character going, "I can't trust you or anybody" the way he did.

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Leliana, but she ran off w/ my Warden.



Someone in the tone of Carth from KOTOR in that you have to work at it to really know him. Really, man or woman, that's what I would want. Once you've finally gained the "achievement" you feel like you've earned it.

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I didn't like Casavir - there was nothing to him, a blank piece of paper is more interesting;


Poor Casavir--he could definitely quality as an older, badass veteran knight, but unfortunately the romances in that game weren't the best.  Has he really been remembered over the years?  I'm not sure--it seems like people remember Bishop more, and he didn't even have a "real" romance in that game (it doesn't lead to anything, anyway).

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Loria232 wrote...

Querne wrote...

@ Loria232:

That didn´t work because it was extremly rushed in Awakening. Besides this getting his father killed by his Romance is perhaps not the best starting point.
But if you imagine f.e. a female mage and a convinced templar it would work.

Besides of this I thought that Nathaniel is an attractive guy too.

and Nate is very cute i prefer his looks over Alistair's =]
yes, i always wanted my fem mage to romance templar Culen:P


I wanted to romance Cullen too! I don't know why, but I just love the whole shy, inexperienced guy thing. I like them more than the bad boys. Alistair was perfect, but I hope they don't make an Alistair clone.

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Riona45 wrote...

laradenton wrote...

I didn't like Casavir - there was nothing to him, a blank piece of paper is more interesting;


Poor Casavir--he could definitely quality as an older, badass veteran knight, but unfortunately the romances in that game weren't the best.  Has he really been remembered over the years?  I'm not sure--it seems like people remember Bishop more, and he didn't even have a "real" romance in that game (it doesn't lead to anything, anyway).


The cut content would have fleshed out Casavir so much more...alas

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Querne wrote...

Okay, I slowly get it. The aim for DA2 for most female players seems to be NOT to get Carth.
Hm. Perhaps I should fetch KOTOR to learn what I don´t like. :)


You might play the game and love Carth.  I know I enjoyed his romance, and IMO he is a winner in the looks department.

I don't want another version of Carth, but I don't want another version of Alistair either.  I'd like to see something a bit different, like the aforementioned nerdy mage.

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Lyssistr wrote...

Carth was from kotor, that little scout kid, whose romance was like dating a high school kid with social problems.


Little scout kid?  He is a 38 year old veteran soldier, actually.

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EmStar202 wrote...

Loria232 wrote...

Querne wrote...

@ Loria232:

That didn´t work because it was extremly rushed in Awakening. Besides this getting his father killed by his Romance is perhaps not the best starting point.
But if you imagine f.e. a female mage and a convinced templar it would work.

Besides of this I thought that Nathaniel is an attractive guy too.

and Nate is very cute i prefer his looks over Alistair's =]
yes, i always wanted my fem mage to romance templar Culen:P


I wanted to romance Cullen too! I don't know why, but I just love the whole shy, inexperienced guy thing. I like them more than the bad boys. Alistair was perfect, but I hope they don't make an Alistair clone.

Alistair might be the best romance option i have ever experienced so far in all BW games but he should stay unique  lol thank God that Anders is not romanceable that would be weird no?:blink:

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NWN2 keeps getting mentioned, but again, they were Obsidian. I think maybe Thane is the closest we've come to being a bad boy, and he's just so sensitive! Garrus is badass, but still, a cop. Jacob...well...

In any case, I'd like to see a darker male lead. I actually can't recall any leading men from men being Morrigan-like.

Anomen, Carth, Sky, Alistair, Jacob, Kaidan, Garrus, were all good guys. Zevran wasn't, but he still wasn't really much of a bad boy. I've already said my thoughts about Thane.

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Querne wrote...

Okay, I slowly get it. The aim for DA2 for most female players seems to be NOT to get Carth.
Hm. Perhaps I should fetch KOTOR to learn what I don´t like. :)


You might play the game and love Carth.  I know I enjoyed his romance, and IMO he is a winner in the looks department.

I don't want another version of Carth, but I don't want another version of Alistair either.  I'd like to see something a bit different, like the aforementioned nerdy mage.


I agree that I want to see something different--Alistair's been my favorite romance thus far, but I don't want a carbon coby, and there have been plenty of honorable and sweet BioWare males. I'm pretty sure a "nerdy" guy would fall under that category.

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EmStar202 wrote...

I wanted to romance Cullen too! I don't know why, but I just love the whole shy, inexperienced guy thing.


Too bad he essentially "dies" and becomes someone completely different.

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Loria232 wrote...

EmStar202 wrote...

Loria232 wrote...

Querne wrote...

@ Loria232:

That didn´t work because it was extremly rushed in Awakening. Besides this getting his father killed by his Romance is perhaps not the best starting point.
But if you imagine f.e. a female mage and a convinced templar it would work.

Besides of this I thought that Nathaniel is an attractive guy too.

and Nate is very cute i prefer his looks over Alistair's =]
yes, i always wanted my fem mage to romance templar Culen:P


I wanted to romance Cullen too! I don't know why, but I just love the whole shy, inexperienced guy thing. I like them more than the bad boys. Alistair was perfect, but I hope they don't make an Alistair clone.

Alistair might be the best romance option i have ever experienced so far in all BW games but he should stay unique  lol thank God that Anders is not romanceable that would be weird no?:blink:



That would be weird. Anders was similar, but I don't think he was an exact clone as some people think. And yes, Alistair is the best imo.

Riona45 wrote...

EmStar202 wrote...

I wanted to romance Cullen too! I don't know why, but I just love the whole shy, inexperienced guy thing.


Too bad he essentially "dies" and becomes someone completely different.


I know!! I was so mad. Why'd he have to go crazy? Why Bioware, why?

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 hmm..maybe someone like Illusive man but younger version of him?:o

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That would be weird. Anders was similar, but I don't think he was an exact clone as some people think. And yes, Alistair is the best imo.


I appreciated the fact that he was a cat person.Image IPB

I know!! I was so mad. Why'd he have to go crazy? Why Bioware, why?


That did make me sad.  My PC didn't necessarily want to romance him (by the time I found him, she decided she was into Alistair), but I still felt a sense of loss.  In fact, that might be what made me the most angry about what Uldred did.

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I find that what most often catches my fancy is the idea of a romance with an elf. The human/elf romance in The Stolen Throne... what if there was no meddling involved and it played out fully? Since we have a human PC this time, they have the chance to do that without worrying about the dwarf and elf PCs missing out.

If I'm playing a human, I want the choice of basic attitudes about it, if possible:
--Bloody knife-eared slave. Why don't you go wash my laundry? That's your lot in life. It's all you're fit for.
--Yeah, so the world sucks. It's not MY fault. What's your problem? How's it any better to hate me for being human? Get over it.
--I'm sorry for the pain you've suffered at the hands of my species. I hope you'll come to see that I didn't choose to be human, and that I'm not the type of human you seem to be used to.

And then if you chose a positive attitude, maybe that could eventually develop into something more. But it's so boring if they just hand it to you! I mean, not that Zevran did, but DAO was limited by the aforementioned race problem. This time, I hope they were wily and capitalized on the racial differences of Thedas. I want to be tempted to use all of the options! A really well-written character does that... makes you react like people did to Morrigan in the personal chats at camp, where some still don't understand her and think she's just a big jerk, nothing more, because they come from too different a background to get her. Some part of me instinctively liked and understood Morrigan; I want to be provoked to react instinctively like that again. It felt very compelling.

Really, racial and national differences... they're part of the human struggle. If we had other races, it would be much the same. I would love to have a character whose prejudices against humans were so extreme--and so well-justified in their mind--that they can even make me doubt my own species, and really have to fight to be clever to explain why they're wrong. Convincing arguments, which make me feel like the elf has been thinking about this their whole life! A clever writer can make the experience really lively and draw you into a debate that will always be a pleasure to play through.

I would prefer mostly interracial romances, and non-stereotypical roles for those characters. A warrior-woman like Rowan has been on my list since I read the first DA novel, and a nerdy mage since I met Jowan, although you really don't have to push to get me interested in that! I'd prefer elven to human, though.

Personality-wise, the non-romanceable characters I most would've liked to romance in DAO/Awakening were: Bann Teagan, Cullen, Nathaniel, Gorim, Ser Gilmore,  Anders, and Jowan in roughly that order (although some are hard to choose between.) I loved how natural it would've felt with Bann Teagan and his noble, faintly bashful, yet determined personality. I loved the religious barrier to Cullen and the possibilities inherent in having him around long enough to try to change his mind, whether benignly and lovingly over a long period of time or through a brutally destructive seduction which left him broken and full of self-hatred and hatred of you. Nathaniel's backstory and history with the player were great; that you begin as foes and actually hold his life in your hands were a great basis for a relationship. Gorim and Ser Gilmore both have the same basic appeal--gentle, unassuming knight in your family's service, willing to give his life for you, obviously very fond of you, and their understanding of you ran deeper than just seeing you as "the Warden." Anders was just plain fun; he had spirit. And Jowan... I have a feeling I'd like the modified companion version better, but I liked the drama of your history with him and would have loved to interact with the broken, penitent Jowan.

There's such a fine line between romance-as-therapy in a bad way, and romance-as-therapy in a mild and realistic way. Honestly, I think a (lasting, mature, constructive) relationship always changes you--irrevocably and for the better. You were drawn to that person because you knew instinctively that you could teach each other, that you would grow as people just by existing in the same space.

I don't mind a messed up guy. But I do prefer for him to have a defined mind and personality; to know who he is well enough that even the most drastic change will feel sensible. If I change the way he thinks about the world, I want it to be not because I told him how to think, but rather, because I said something that made him think. I want to feel like it's not that he was so deficient that he didn't get it, but because--like with Morrigan--someone taught him otherwise, or even just life itself battered him into making the wrong conclusions. And I want to be forced to think, to reason, about how I'm going to change his mind. I want it to tax me. I want to bite my lip and frown, like any real person would, and to have the possibility of screwing it up if I'm too sanctimonious or just aren't working hard enough to understand who he is.

I think that's the difference--romance-as-therapy only feels stupid and irritating when the answer seems like it should be obvious to the character despite, or even because of, their background. On the other hand, when you can truly feel where the character comes from, and work to change their misperceptions of the world--it feels rewarding when you actually succeed. When you surprised the character; didn't act thoughtlessly, didn't act like anyone else they remember knowing and discounting as a fool. It's simply delicious.

Both sexes find that addictive. I really believe that. The sense that experience has taught you each something that the other needs to learn, and that time will help you both turn into the people you really want to be. Like Morrigan, who I think at the core of her personality, she always wanted to believe that Flemeth wasn't right either. Opposites attract for a reason. That principle seems to be a good basis for a romance. You have to have activities in common which you both enjoy, but the way you think should probably be quite different, and whatever you disagree on has to be something you each can respect about each other or it will cause problems.

I don't want anything to feel prissy-hard, but I do want to be made to carefully consider my options and preferably not to feel like the character fell for mine because I picked all the "nice" options.I want it to be more complex and deeper than that.

Whew, that was a lot of opinion. Good thing I type fast and love analyzing stuff to death! 

andar91 wrote...

I really, really, really want a nerdy mage.

Every time someone says this, a smile comes to my face and I feel a tiny bit less like my hopes are in vain. :)

Calla S wrote...

Not to mention I have a major templar fixation

*lol* You know, despite the nerdy, scrawny elf mage fixation I have going, I DO have a templar thing, too. Maybe not for the same reasons, though I did like Ser Otto. It's not even Alistair--it's a part of why I enjoyed him, but he didn't cause it. It's the Cullen thing! The brooding, guilty victim of religion, bullied by the Chantry into believing a certain way and not realizing how much happier he would be if he just accepted his sexuality. Add it together with the whole templar-mage love-hate boiling-tensions cauldron and that's... it's just hot.

I respect beliefs, but only when they're made of a person's free will, untainted by brainwashing--if a priest truly made an informed, personal choice, I respect that. But someone young and obviously tormented like Cullen... burying your sexuality just does. not. work! So I would feel no moral compunctions about trying to change his mind, and if I were playing an evil character it might even be fun to cruelly seduce him and make him hate me. I actually think the reverse would be true, too--I think a female templar would be just as hot to people attracted to women. But I could be wrong about that, I don't know.

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Riona45 wrote...

I know!! I was so mad. Why'd he have to go crazy? Why Bioware, why?


That did make me sad.  My PC didn't necessarily want to romance him (by the time I found him, she decided she was into Alistair), but I still felt a sense of loss.  In fact, that might be what made me the most angry about what Uldred did.


...really?  I thought Cullen was creepy as they come right off the bat.  My initial reaction to him was "Ooookay, guy who has no social skills and was assigned to kill me, why don't you just go stand in the corner?"  Then I bumped into him during Broken Circle, and the nightmare fuel got turned up exponentially.  I did feel bad for him, it wasn't his fault that he was tortured, but I thought he was off from the start.

Anyway, back on topic.  Maybe BioWare should prod the Obsidian people for bad boy ideas.  Or just watch more TV.  What I wouldn't give for a Sawyer in DA2....*swoon*

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Wynne wrote...
Nathaniel's backstory and history with the player were great; that you begin as foes and actually hold his life in your hands were a great basis for a relationship.


I'm very fond of Nathaniel.Image IPB  He's the kind of person I wish I could romance as someone if not as my Warden (she did already have Alistair, after all).

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

...really?  I thought Cullen was creepy as they come right off the bat.  My initial reaction to him was "Ooookay, guy who has no social skills and was assigned to kill me, why don't you just go stand in the corner?"  Then I bumped into him during Broken Circle, and the nightmare fuel got turned up exponentially.  I did feel bad for him, it wasn't his fault that he was tortured, but I thought he was off from the start.


LOL!  I didn't find him creepy when I first met him, although it was obvious that he had a crush on my character.  I did give him the "I thought templars enjoyed killing mages" line, though--couldn't resist.

His appearance in the Broken Circle quest, though, did make me wish they had mental health care experts of some sort in Ferelden. 

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Riona45 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

...really?  I thought Cullen was creepy as they come right off the bat.  My initial reaction to him was "Ooookay, guy who has no social skills and was assigned to kill me, why don't you just go stand in the corner?"  Then I bumped into him during Broken Circle, and the nightmare fuel got turned up exponentially.  I did feel bad for him, it wasn't his fault that he was tortured, but I thought he was off from the start.


LOL!  I didn't find him creepy when I first met him, although it was obvious that he had a crush on my character.  I did give him the "I thought templars enjoyed killing mages" line, though--couldn't resist.

His appearance in the Broken Circle quest, though, did make me wish they had mental health care experts of some sort in Ferelden. 


I didn't find him creepy, at first. I mean, I sort of felt bad for the guy--he has a lot of what Alistair would have been, if he were forced to become a templar, I think. Their personalities aren't all that alike, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for him.

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Cullen was frustrating to me because I wanted the option to try and make him feel more at ease. But instead it was either the old "I don't have time for this, see ya" or a direct sexual proposition. That's not the usual course of things, ahem... couldn't we just have dinner and see where things went from there? LOL

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I would like a man romance option who is not jealous. I am attracted to a variety of personality types, so that isn't really an issue.



Looks wise, I like visible muscularity and large almost feminine lips. If he could occasionally walk around camp displaying his Jesus Crease/Devil Horns that would be a real bonus.



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ZAEED! PLEASE!

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I've said it on other threads and I'm glad to see it here too, I want a nerdy elf mage. Someone who's very intelligent and maybe even a bit arrogant. But, has very little real world experience and poor social skills. As a LI you could draw him out of his shell and be a source of strength on your adventures.



Overall I'm open to whatever they can come up with. I just hope the romances are more complex and challenging this time around.




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Accidental repost. Ug.

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DAO was missing that silent, mysterious character typical in like...everything. I would definately like to see a dwarf but also a hero type. Alistair was awesome, but I'd like to see a character who more or less feels he should lead the group rather than you. That is, until you hit the tents and all

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BPearl12 wrote...

I've said it on other threads and I'm glad to see it here too, I want a nerdy elf mage. Someone who's very intelligent and maybe even a bit arrogant. But, has very little real world experience and poor social skills. As a LI you could draw him out of his shell and be a source of strength on your adventures.


So basically you want Sand :wub:  Oh, Sand, if only you were an LI.