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[mopotter]

Anarya wrote...

Saibh wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Honestly, I don't get angry sex at all, I've done it and felt like crap afterwards... maybe it is because I'm older and stable now, but I can honestly say that all my relationships in which there was angry sex occurring were fundamentally flawed and bad for one (or both) of us on some (if not all) levels.

Maybe it is just my inner prude showing again, but to me angry sex is just a few steps away from sex being a power struggle rather than an expression of love.

You know what I hate?

"Oh, they're attractive males and females and look how much they despise each other, they must really be sexually attracted and are about to have glorious hatesex!"

...I really don't like when Morrigan/Alistair are shipped together.

I have to admit I thought it might happen when I started playing but only because it's such an overused trope. There's really nothing in the game to substantiate it.

Saibh - I agree.  I always wonder how they can listen to her tone of voice and think any he's attracted to that.  I've known people who got divorced after a few years, because one of them is always making snide remarks about the other and then oh I was just teasing.   I knew within an hour of playing, she thought he was worthless and he hated her.

Anarya - I was totally caught off guard.  I was sure that BioWare would not make that the only option for both of you to survive.  One way, yes, but with so many possibilities, I was sure they would have one, just one,  where you could get around Morrigan if you were romancing Alistair, so I tried them and was wrong.  Still get angry over that.   but now as much.  Time heals most heart wounds.  

[SarEnyaDor]

mopotter wrote....  

I'd rather see a teasing/friendly competition of hand to hand fighting or a sword practice turn into a close quarters romance option.  Like Garrus' 'I had strength she had flexibility" idea.

THIS is something I could get behind, totally. I can't even tell you how many times play wrestling/ ******-for-tat tickle fights turned into sexy time between my husband and me.

[mopotter]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

mopotter wrote....  

I'd rather see a teasing/friendly competition of hand to hand fighting or a sword practice turn into a close quarters romance option.  Like Garrus' 'I had strength she had flexibility" idea.

THIS is something I could get behind, totally. I can't even tell you how many times play wrestling/ ******-for-tat tickle fights turned into sexy time between my husband and me.

Yep.  throwing hay while your feeding the horses is fun too, Until you get a piece of hay in an inconvenient place.  They never mention that in the stories.    

[Beocat]

I'd like to see more romance options that are more independent and can handle situations on their own and don't have a lot of emotional baggage. I liked Kaiden but...I also tend to lean toward the sciency-type...so he still wasn't a perfect match for me. And hey, even if a man can't handle a situation by fighting his way out, I'm usually going to be much more impressed if he can think his way out of it and keep going. Of course, they have to give him a good voice (please no nerdy nasally voices with the glasses...that's so cliche!) too. Otherwise I won't want to listen to him long enough to like him lol. I guess this kind of guy would work better in a sci-fi world than a fantasy one...

[mopotter]

Beocat wrote...

I'd like to see more romance options that are more independent and can handle situations on their own and don't have a lot of emotional baggage. I liked Kaiden but...I also tend to lean toward the sciency-type...so he still wasn't a perfect match for me. And hey, even if a man can't handle a situation by fighting his way out, I'm usually going to be much more impressed if he can think his way out of it and keep going. Of course, they have to give him a good voice (please no nerdy nasally voices with the glasses...that's so cliche!) too. Otherwise I won't want to listen to him long enough to like him lol. I guess this kind of guy would work better in a sci-fi world than a fantasy one...

A good voice is an absolute necessity, of course one persons good voice is another's nail on chalkboard, but I've been very happy with BioWare voices so I'm not too worried about that part. 

Daniel Jackson would work for me, he did have glasses, but  still......  This one may be corny but MacGyver type, sort of rogue could get us out of any situation with a rope, bow and belt buckle.   I don't expect to find a perfect match but I'd like at least some of the qualities I find attractive.  Of course I find a wide range of things attractive so I have hopes that as long as there is more than one I should find enjoyment.  

[Bobad]

As a heterosexual male roleplaying a heterosexual female, with as much emotional resonance as the dichotomy allows, I prefer a more humourous and humble character such as Alistair, than any of the the other female romances in BioWare's games.

[burrito]

I want a dwarf named william wallace as a drinking buddy

[mopotter]

Bobad wrote...

As a heterosexual male roleplaying a heterosexual female, with as much emotional resonance as the dichotomy allows, I prefer a more humourous and humble character such as Alistair, than any of the the other female romances in BioWare's games.

I hope that whatever character they give us, they include a sense of humor.  As a straight, happily married female, I also enjoyed the romance with Alistair a lot.    For DA2 I don't care about his background, I don't care about his age, I don't really care about his looks.  But he needs a sense of humor.  
And for my character he needs to work for the good, even if it's in a round about way (Han Solo).   

But with luck they will give us a couple of LI both male and female, good and bad, so we can find fun and enjoyment in the game for many play through's.  

[Mercuron]

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?

I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.

I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

[Thiefy]

Mercuron wrote...

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?
I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.
I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

no, because i would hate to think of myself as girl #2 or the substitute. i have to be the #1 pick all the time. that's actually why i liked Ali-bear, because he didn't go running off to morrigan or leli at any point in time, before during or after the relationship. it really made it seem like my warden was someone special to him, with or without the romance.

[Saibh]

Mercuron wrote...

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?
I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.
I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

All 50? Honey, I salute you.

Yes, it would have changed my opinion. As much as I love his character, it changes his personality to be so indecisive about who he loves or cares for. You can be unsure about a lot of things, but if you can't make this decision based on what you know of a person, then I'll make the decision for you, and leave. As far as I'm concerned, it's an incredible jerkass move to sit back and allow two women to vie for your affections. It shouldn't be that I behave the most pleasing way, and therefore I get the man. It should be a combination of personality, deeds, and time with him that ultimately make the Warden his one true love.

If he's having that much trouble, than I wouldn't want to be involved, plain and simple. And I mean this in a real-life sense. In a video game, I don't get multiple choices, so I would end up romancing him--I would just like his character a lot less.

I mean, for a man who says "I'll always love you", and how he "can't think of much better" than staying with the Warden forever, it seems a tad shallow if he was this close to picking Leliana based on my game dialogue decision: choice 1 or 2?

Modifié par Saibh, 08 août 2010 - 06:09 .

[Mercuron]

I'm just wondering if it counts for anything that he could be 'human' enough to be tempted, yet still pick your character, or if the whole idea of him even considering someone else for even a moment takes part or all of the romance's appeal away...?

[Anarya]

Mercuron wrote...

I'm just wondering if it counts for anything that he could be 'human' enough to be tempted, yet still pick your character, or if the whole idea of him even considering someone else for even a moment takes part or all of the romance's appeal away...?

I wouldn't hold such a thing against him, no, but Alistair's romance in particular would be a bad fit for that kind of thing, unless it were written very differently. I mean, he would have to make the decision between you and a rival very early on in the romance or his actions would begin to look really deceitful, and that would change your impression of his character drastically. I mean, imagine the conversation when he gives you the rose, which happens pretty early in the romance. Knowing that he was also romancing someone else at that point would make the whole thing seem calculated and insincere, instead of heartfelt and sweet.

So it's not that I need to be the only person the LI ever even looks at, but the writers would have to be careful in how they handled a situation like that, and given how little gametime, proportionally, is spent on romances I'm not sure it would be worth the effort.

Modifié par Anarya, 08 août 2010 - 06:44 .

[Saibh]

Mercuron wrote...

I'm just wondering if it counts for anything that he could be 'human' enough to be tempted, yet still pick your character, or if the whole idea of him even considering someone else for even a moment takes part or all of the romance's appeal away...?

Girlfriends usually don't hear about their boyfriends temptations. They are kept secret. If they're big enough to hear about, then they are a problem. A rather big problem.

If he is interested in two women before the romance is set in stone, my previous argument still applies. I don't consider it "winning" to be chosen above another. Especially in a video game--I consider it cunning manipulation, since he's equally interested in two women, I just know the proper thing to say to get him in the sack. Unless you actually have the personality type he's after--but how sucky is that? Romancing Alistair without a competing NPC meant you go be just about any personality type and get him--at different success rates, but you'd eventually get him. Romancing Alistair with a competing NPC means you have to abide by one set of personality traits or lie horribly to get your man.

[Mercuron]

Thanks for the answers. I already see two or three angles I hadn't considered, thinking about this sort of topic for DA.

One of the things I'd like to see in a sequel is a love triangle as opposed to just straight-up relationships between your character and one other, but I'm wondering if that's like a dudes-only thing that the average female DA gamer isn't really interested in.

[Anarya]

Mercuron wrote...

Thanks for the answers. I already see two or three angles I hadn't considered, thinking about this sort of topic for DA.
One of the things I'd like to see in a sequel is a love triangle as opposed to just straight-up relationships between your character and one other, but I'm wondering if that's like a dudes-only thing that the average female DA gamer isn't really interested in.

Why can't it be two guys competing for *my* affections?

I'm always open to new possibilities. As long as it makes for a good, compelling story I won't rule anything out, but managing the feelings of an unknown party (the player) in a love triangle is probably difficult. By that I mean, making sure the competition remains appealing and doesn't turn you off the LI(s) entirely.

[AllThatJazz]

Saibh wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?
I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.
I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

All 50? Honey, I salute you.

Yes, it would have changed my opinion. As much as I love his character, it changes his personality to be so indecisive about who he loves or cares for. You can be unsure about a lot of things, but if you can't make this decision based on what you know of a person, then I'll make the decision for you, and leave. As far as I'm concerned, it's an incredible jerkass move to sit back and allow two women to vie for your affections. It shouldn't be that I behave the most pleasing way, and therefore I get the man. It should be a combination of personality, deeds, and time with him that ultimately make the Warden his one true love.

If he's having that much trouble, than I wouldn't want to be involved, plain and simple. And I mean this in a real-life sense. In a video game, I don't get multiple choices, so I would end up romancing him--I would just like his character a lot less.

I mean, for a man who says "I'll always love you", and how he "can't think of much better" than staying with the Warden forever, it seems a tad shallow if he was this close to picking Leliana based on my game dialogue decision: choice 1 or 2?

Agreed with Saibh. In my game of fantasy wish-fulfilment, I really don't want any sense of 'being just a bit better than someone else, after a lot of thought and only because I competed'.  I am the embodiment of clever, sexy, kick-ass awsomeness, thankyou very much, and no-one can compare. 

Edited to say: Ahem. This also applies in real life. Thankyou.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 08 août 2010 - 08:33 .

[zazei]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?
I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.
I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

All 50? Honey, I salute you.

Yes, it would have changed my opinion. As much as I love his character, it changes his personality to be so indecisive about who he loves or cares for. You can be unsure about a lot of things, but if you can't make this decision based on what you know of a person, then I'll make the decision for you, and leave. As far as I'm concerned, it's an incredible jerkass move to sit back and allow two women to vie for your affections. It shouldn't be that I behave the most pleasing way, and therefore I get the man. It should be a combination of personality, deeds, and time with him that ultimately make the Warden his one true love.

If he's having that much trouble, than I wouldn't want to be involved, plain and simple. And I mean this in a real-life sense. In a video game, I don't get multiple choices, so I would end up romancing him--I would just like his character a lot less.

I mean, for a man who says "I'll always love you", and how he "can't think of much better" than staying with the Warden forever, it seems a tad shallow if he was this close to picking Leliana based on my game dialogue decision: choice 1 or 2?

Agreed with Saibh. In my game of fantasy wish-fulfilment, I really don't want any sense of 'being just a bit better than someone else, after a lot of thought and only because I competed'.  I am the embodiment of clever, sexy, kick-ass awsomeness, thankyou very much, and no-one can compare. 

Yep this is how I feel too.
I think Bioware even tried something like that once long ago and it ended up just like Saibh said. I never tried it myself but I read there is a situation like that for Aerie in BG2. If you have both her and Haer'Dalis in the party while doing the romance the bard will flirt with her too and  will end in a situation where she claims to love both the player and Haer'Dalis. The only way to end up "winning" so to speak is apparently to accept it all and pick the right option out of two in the end. Full explanation here.

I bet a romance for women would end up just like that as well and honestly I would probably walk away from a NPC if they require the player to proclaim their love for him only to hear "sorry but I love that girl as well!" >_>
Not just a good idea!

[AllThatJazz]

 Yes, the Aerie/Haer'Dalis thing was even irritating when I wasn't romancing her (which was most of the time, I could barely stand her tweeness )

Aerie: 'Ohhh, my poor wings'
Me: 'Shut up'
Aerie: 'But Chiktikka Fastpaws says...'
Me: 'SHUT UP'
Aerie: 'Hmph. I loooooove Haer'Dalis. He's so ..'
Me: *Kills them both, loses paladin status, gets attacked by entire party except Jaheira*. Dammit.

On topic, what about ... errr ... Sex Interests? Or at least Semi-Serious Interests? Don't get me wrong, I adored that Alistair was the type you couldn't just love and leave and who was very chivalrous in return. It totally suited his character, and there needs to be that kind of relationship in DA2, or the option of one anyway. But I also liked that my human noble female could 'fraternise' with (ill fated) Deirren, was it? at the beginning of the game, or the lady-in-waiting, and also have some fun with Zev without getting serious (I never managed to do this, actually, I couldn't get past Alistair being all crestfallen every time I started flirting with Zev ). 

If DA2 is supposed to span 10 years, then it makes sense that as well as people you could potentially spend the entire/most of the decade with, that there are opportunities for a more casual affair or two that isn't quite as casual as visiting prostitutes. Or just a bit of serial monogamy. It might be something better suited to non party members, while leaving companions as potentially more permanent love interests?

It probably isn't something I'd do, personally. Knowing me, I'll develop a slight crush on the first pixelated male character with a sexy voice, romanceable or not,  and that's it for the rest of the game *sigh*  Garrus in ME1:unsure:

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 08 août 2010 - 11:52 .

[Tinxa]

Anarya wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

Thanks for the answers. I already see two or three angles I hadn't considered, thinking about this sort of topic for DA.
One of the things I'd like to see in a sequel is a love triangle as opposed to just straight-up relationships between your character and one other, but I'm wondering if that's like a dudes-only thing that the average female DA gamer isn't really interested in.

Why can't it be two guys competing for *my* affections?

I'm always open to new possibilities. As long as it makes for a good, compelling story I won't rule anything out, but managing the feelings of an unknown party (the player) in a love triangle is probably difficult. By that I mean, making sure the competition remains appealing and doesn't turn you off the LI(s) entirely.

I would like that. I liked how Atton got jealous of the disciple in KOTOR2. I expected more rivalry between Alistair and Zevran for the PC's affection but they took the PC choosing the other pretty easily I would like a bit more drama when two NPCs are interested in the PC.
And yes the only triangle I would like to see is others competing for the PC's affection, possibly being outstaged by an NPC isn't fun

[mopotter]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

So, I've read all 50 pages of this and I've got a hypothetical question... if Alistair's romance (since he seems to be tolerated the most, if not loved the most outright) involved having to vie for his affections vs a NPC's at some stage, and that if you hadn't made certain choices up to there, there was the very real chance he'd pick them over your character... would it change how you felt about it at all?
I ask because I'm curious if having the impression that you're in no danger of losing him to anyone else, bar plot-induced circumstances, makes it more (or less) appealing.
I guess you can sub any LI in for Alistair that suits you, but this thread and that character seem to have the most discussion going on, so... yeah, would be interested to know.

no, because i would hate to think of myself as girl #2 or the substitute. i have to be the #1 pick all the time. that's actually why i liked Ali-bear, because he didn't go running off to morrigan or leli at any point in time, before during or after the relationship. it really made it seem like my warden was someone special to him, with or without the romance.

Me too.    I don't care if he has a past, but I don't want to have to compete with anyone else in the game.  

[mopotter]

Anarya wrote...

Mercuron wrote...

Thanks for the answers. I already see two or three angles I hadn't considered, thinking about this sort of topic for DA.
One of the things I'd like to see in a sequel is a love triangle as opposed to just straight-up relationships between your character and one other, but I'm wondering if that's like a dudes-only thing that the average female DA gamer isn't really interested in.

Why can't it be two guys competing for *my* affections?

I'm always open to new possibilities. As long as it makes for a good, compelling story I won't rule anything out, but managing the feelings of an unknown party (the player) in a love triangle is probably difficult. By that I mean, making sure the competition remains appealing and doesn't turn you off the LI(s) entirely.

This could be interesting.  I can think of a couple of routs, the good and evil compete for my affections, depending on my alignment I could go with the one I find attractive, but that would sort of have to happen towards the beginning I would think, before the two LI choices realize which path the character is headed.  
I'm not sure I would enjoy it a lot.  For the same reason I wouldn't fight for a man but it would depend on how they did it.

[tashatush]

I'd like a hot older man. Please refer to my avatar.



*Flees and runs for cover*

[mllrthyme]

mopotter wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Why can't it be two guys competing for *my* affections?

I'm always open to new possibilities. As long as it makes for a good, compelling story I won't rule anything out, but managing the feelings of an unknown party (the player) in a love triangle is probably difficult. By that I mean, making sure the competition remains appealing and doesn't turn you off the LI(s) entirely.

This could be interesting.  I can think of a couple of routs, the good and evil compete for my affections, depending on my alignment I could go with the one I find attractive, but that would sort of have to happen towards the beginning I would think, before the two LI choices realize which path the character is headed.  
I'm not sure I would enjoy it a lot.  For the same reason I wouldn't fight for a man but it would depend on how they did it.

I think a good example of the love triangle with competing love interests is the antagonistic relationship between Casavir and Bishop in NWN2.  While the PC can't romance Bishop (unless modded), I still found it extremely entertaining to listen to them try to one-up the other and have the PC fit into their rivalry.  Plus, the dialogue between the two, and interaction with the PC, would differ depending on influence points.  I wouldn't be one to complain if I saw this sort of thing again.

[Teddie Sage]

Psst... how about us gay guys who want a good meaty chub, teddy bear? *winks*



No? ...



*flees*