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[Riona45]

Russalka wrote...


Sweetness is not the only redeeming quality.

No, but we're talking about romances here.  I don't see how a guy completely lacking in sweetness would make for a non-dysfunctional romance, but that's just me.

Modifié par Riona45, 02 septembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[Russalka]

I never implied the unlikely scenario of a person being completely devoid of a certain emotion.

What I did mean was that Zevran ended up being far too sweet for his rather promiscuous and deviant demeanor.

My point is that all male romances end up being about corny sentiments and little hearts instead of eye pupils. Zevran almost avoided it though, but in the long run, didn't.

Morrigan and Viconia for example, two examples of only female LIs who at first seem predatory or even evil. In the end, they did show the softer side as any person can do, but did not become adorable huggy bears.



I want a bad boy.

[Riona45]

Russalka wrote...

I never implied the unlikely scenario of a person being completely devoid of a certain emotion.
What I did mean was that Zevran ended up being far too sweet for his rather promiscuous and deviant demeanor.
My point is that all male romances end up being about corny sentiments and little hearts instead of eye pupils. Zevran almost avoided it though, but in the long run, didn't.
Morrigan and Viconia for example, two examples of only female LIs who at first seem predatory or even evil. In the end, they did show the softer side as any person can do, but did not become adorable huggy bears.

Fair enough, you clarified what you said and I appreciate that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Russalka wrote...

I never implied the unlikely scenario of a person being completely devoid of a certain emotion.
What I did mean was that Zevran ended up being far too sweet for his rather promiscuous and deviant demeanor.
My point is that all male romances end up being about corny sentiments and little hearts instead of eye pupils. Zevran almost avoided it though, but in the long run, didn't.
Morrigan and Viconia for example, two examples of only female LIs who at first seem predatory or even evil. In the end, they did show the softer side as any person can do, but did not become adorable huggy bears.

I want a bad boy.

I agree.  I'd also very carefully draw the distinction between a bad boy and a straight-up monster.  Atton, Sawyer, and Zuko (despite his adorkable whining) are examples of bad boys.  The Man in Black, Sion, and Ozai are examples of monsters.  And Bishop, for all his fangirls and all the attempts of the romance mod, skirts closer to monster than to bad boy; he's just so completely broken there's no changing him for the better.

I think I can speak for most normal people when I say that monsters are just plain creepy; they might be physically attractive (YUM OZAI) but I'd never romance one.  Yeesh.  Bad boy, though...  It's no coincidence that Atton is my favoritest LI ever. 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 02 septembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[Riona45]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I'd also very carefully draw the distinction between a bad boy and a straight-up monster. 

I agree, but in my experience that is rather subjective and can be affected by bias (that's why the Draco in Leather Pants trope exists, as far as I can tell).  You believe Bishop is closer to being a monster than a "bad boy" (and I agree), but as you point out there are people who don't feel that way, some in this very thread.

Modifié par Riona45, 02 septembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Riona45 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I'd also very carefully draw the distinction between a bad boy and a straight-up monster. 

I agree, but in my experience that is rather subjective and can be affected by bias (that's why the Draco in Leather Pants trope exists, as far as I can tell).  You believe Bishop is closer to being a monster than a "bad boy" (and I agree), but as you point out there are people who don't feel that way, some in this very thread.

True.  Which is why I think Bad Boy characters should have at least a few obvious redeeming qualities.  Atton, for example, is a selfish, cowardly, snarky, deserting, former torturer of a jackass.  He's also got the redeeming qualities of being resourceful, feeling guilt over his past, and having genuinely good, compassionate intentions for fighting alongside Revan.  And he can change.  Not because YOU want him to change, but because HE wants to change.  He's tired of being afraid, tired of running from all that guilt, and he wants to improve himself--either by crushing the compassion out of himself if you take him dark-side, or by forgiving himself if you take him light-side.

That, to me, is the epitome of a well-written bad boy.  Trouble, but with potential for change one way or another.  You should be able to be friends with a bad boy, and act as a catalyst for change as a friend even if you're not in a romance.

[Riona45]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

You should be able to be friends with a bad boy, and act as a catalyst for change as a friend even if you're not in a romance.

Agreed--well-developed friendship paths as well as romance paths are a great idea.  I honestly liked how they were done in DA:O (especially with Morrigan).

[Celtic Latino]

Personally I'd like the leading man to be a bisexual Atton or Bishop, a medium to long haired bad-boy whose got the good looks, not afraid to get his hands dirty, and definitely not be whiny or have trust issues. In other words, I don't want the typical Bioware male romance (Carth, Kaiden, Jacob) in which they are overly generic and while likeable (except for Carth, don't know how anyone liked him) they don't particularly stand out either.

Definitely if he's a warrior, more like a two-hander or a dual wielder (rather than the protective tank) and if he's a rogue, he's a good fighting rogue. He'd also make a great arcane warrior (complete with pitch black steel armor, a huge sword and some deadly blood magic). Come to think of it that would be perfect, an arcane warrior.

The catch to this guy is that Hawke CAN potentially turn him good or neutral depending on her (or his) choices and influence him. Perhaps he sees the light and becomes a paladin, retaining that gruffy edge but using it for redemption, or becoming neutral in which he no longer goes after innocents but still keeps the bad boy life. And being romanceable to both genders (like Sky in Jade Empire) just gives him much more versatility, except unlike Zevran he is not openly bisexual, or may even be straight but just attracted physically and romantically to male Hawke if you persuade him well enough (or show disinterest to female party members).


I would also like to see a darker featured male romance, potentially a Rivani or even someone not native to Thedas with skin ranging from deep tan to very dark, dark hair and piercing hazel or brown eyes, the epitome of "tall, dark and handsome", complete with a deep, sultry voice that makes you just want to die in his arms. I'm thinking a bardic type for this guy who knows his way with words...and song. And because he's very attractive you have to compete with Bethany and other female party members, potentially a sidequest in which his lost love comes searching for him and you have to fend her off. 

 

[Lasseda]

I'm hoping I can romance a dwarf or qunari. I love Varric and I love Sten. Both are bangable, IMHO.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Oh this is easy, another Alistair of course. Except make him more experienced, a good example might be the new guy is passed out in a new ho house and I'm picking his pocket and robbing him blind and this is how we meet. Dang, I got caught, but in a good way! Ok, good sir, what is my punishment going to be?

[LaidGenie]

I lthink the male LI like High Jackman's Wolverine (minus some of the facial hair) would be a good idea for us ladies, hard hitting with a gruff exterior, he would make you wonder if he was as passionate as he is gruff!!!!!. Don't get me wrong i love Alistair, he's the type of guy i would want my 15yo daughter to bring home lol. For the men i think there should be a china doll looking one who has a bit of an attitude and doesn't go to bed with you the first chance she gets and perhaps a second possible interest who is rougher round the edges.

[Arrtis]

Can the male LI be fine with a femhawke that gets around?

I ask because it is very much a rarity for someone to have 0 problem with it in these games.

[KBCookie]

Unconventional, of course. DA's romancables are pretty generic. How about an Ohgren-like character? Or an age difference? But really, just a character that isn't a complete stereotype, though I like Ohgren's anyway.

[Sternchen]

LaidGenie wrote...

I lthink the male LI like High Jackman's Wolverine (minus some of the facial hair) would be a good idea for us ladies, hard hitting with a gruff exterior, he would make you wonder if he was as passionate as he is gruff!!!!!.

Yeah, thats really that, what i want...

[Russalka]

I personally don't think Bishop was irredeemable, although the writers of NWN2 prime campaign did make most of the companions rather one-dimensional. The Mask of the Betrayer sure flushed him down the drain, but only because he was faithless, there were worse options for evil ones. In the main campaign's end he was remorseful after all when things went my way.
Should I be made a typical fan riding on a double-standard? Abusive or evil LIs are okay if they're handsome? No.
I only brought Bishop before as an example of an extreme, the writers at Bioware no doubt have at least a vague idea of all the love interests and companions. An extreme can serve as a good example on what the character could build up towards during writing, but not exactly BECOME.

Perhaps Bishop was too far gone, but new writers with an example can make new choices with the new character. Inspiration or examples from something can work in many ways.

Modifié par Russalka, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[Burritos]

Here's Roberto

[Sanctuary74]

Charming, funny, quick wit, good fighter. Preferably Elven and would rather him be a rogue.

[oenis]

Lasseda wrote...

I'm hoping I can romance a dwarf or qunari. I love Varric and I love Sten. Both are bangable, IMHO.

One thing I liked about dwarves not being LIs was that they sporadically called my fem wardens ugly. It made me giggle. I also laugh when Vaughn (sp?) calls them 'fat ****s'. 

[Lyssar]

I want a bad boy, but no Zevran please. I think he was cute, but I prefer my bad boys mysterious and hard-to-get. A Qunari would be sweet.

Also, I don't want a second Alistair, Anders, etc. I really enjoyed these characters, but I wouldn't want to romance their copies. I would like something different and brand new (well, as much as it is possible).

I would prefer a win-him-over-quest (fighting off your rivals) than having to resolve family issues, dead lover issues or anything else involving pity and over the top compassion.



@Sable Rhapsody and Celtic Latino

I like your ideas!

[Russalka]

Do you know what would add extra drama and perhaps some depth if pulled off well?



The LI being in a relationship already. I don't mean like in BG2 when it just happens between companions, but the LI already having a wife somewhere.

[Lyssar]

Russalka wrote...

Do you know what would add extra drama and perhaps some depth if pulled off well?

The LI being in a relationship already. I don't mean like in BG2 when it just happens between companions, but the LI already having a wife somewhere.

If done well, I think it would be an interesting concept. Opens up new possibilities. You can be good and give up on him, or be totally evil and poison his wife.

[Minxie]

I'd like that if the wife was a total beyotch so I wouldn't feel bad about breaking a marriage .

I'm a bit iffy about the wife idea because I'm annoyed with the LIs who have dead wife baggage and compare the PC to them constantly.But still, if there is a living wife (or preferably girlfriend) somewhere it could be fun, especially if she's also a party member. A romantic rival would be a much better obstacle than the usual ones we get.

[Russalka]

I think it could be handled in the more typical way that the wife is involved with some plots and is actually one of the bad... guys. And that the companion would have to help kill her, or at least subdue her.

OR it could end up so that the wife gets killed in the turmoil going on in the area, the companion and Hawke grow close after a few years so it becomes okay for them to shag. And the cutiepie man really needs someone.

Yeah, very good plot. Nothing cynical at all.

[RogueWarrior626]

I would like to see very HOT male to romance. Tall dark very handsom but rugid ,with bedroom ey



es.That have a sence of mystery behind them.A bad boy with a soft side!