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Wildest Guess about Morrigan! (Please don't declare an Exalted March on me)

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:52

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Morrigan may not be Human.

She may be some animal (perhaps a Dragon...) shapeshifted into a human. EDIT: Or she may be a Demi-Dragon...

The original Flemeth may have been a human. But eventually she may have captured a Draconic vessle, which runs out comparitively fast in its life-span. She either gives birth to Draconic daughters or captures Draconic females (catch them young!) and shapeshifts them into humans to raise as duaghters....

Unbelivable I know. Even for me.

//End Mass Guessing.

Modifié par SirShreK, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:17 .

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iTomes
Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:55

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ahhhh.... yessss totally reasonable.... but anyhow.. why cant we make morrigan shapeshifting into a high dragon??? would make it all easier...

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:55

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Meh. I hope that's not the case (because my Warden romanced her), but who knows? That would be a pretty big "What a TWIST!!!" moment, though.

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The Edge
Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:56

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The yellow eyes on Morrigan, though... Do you know what Flemeth's eye-color was?

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:56

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She's manipulative and clear evidence of the sexism issue.

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:57

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@iTomes:



Age is perhaps the real problem Plus She does not know it... Perhaps one of the thing she realizes by reading Flemeth's Grimoire is the truth about her/Flemeth's true nature.... Anyhow, by this time she is SO humanized that she can not bear to think herself as anything else....

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:57

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The Edge wrote...

The yellow eyes on Morrigan, though... Do you know what Flemeth's eye-color was?


That is exactly what I noticed too...

Flemeth's eye color: NO IDEA!

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:58

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The Dragon Age is called Dragon age due a Dragon that was seen flying by the Orlais Divine and Loghain. Perhaps She was Flemeth????

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 08:59

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Guns3 wrote...

She's manipulative and clear evidence of the sexism issue.

So... err?

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:00

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It's The Crying Game all over. Actually Morrigan was a man!

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iTomes
Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:00

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well flemeth could become a dragon....whyever...

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:00

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Khayness wrote...

It's The Crying Game all over. Actually Morrigan was a man!


What a twist!

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:01

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iTomes wrote...

well flemeth could become a dragon....whyever...


And not turn back into a Human after her "death".

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:02

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I think there might be a connection to the dragon cult's (from the little I know about them), but Flemeth's origin throws that idea through a loop and I have a hard time connecting her past, dragon cults, and Morrigan's plans for the future...

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:07

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The Edge wrote...

I think there might be a connection to the dragon cult's (from the little I know about them), but Flemeth's origin throws that idea through a loop and I have a hard time connecting her past, dragon cults, and Morrigan's plans for the future...


The codex entry: Dragon Cults suggests there might be more to Draconic intlligence than we give credit. There is perhaps a secret Draconic specie that is sentient OR A group of Dragons possessed by Mages to demand worship from people (which is quite reasonable). THIS MAY EXPLAIN A LOT actually.

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:08

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One thing to consider when wondering if Morrigan is human is this quote from her:

Morrigan: The form of an animal is different from my own. One may study the
creature; learn to move as it does, think as it does. In time, this
allows one to become as it is. I gain nothing by studying another human.
I already am the same as they are, I learn nothing. So the answer is
no; my human form is the only one I possess.

So the straightforward interpretation is that she's human.  But there are other possibilities.  She could be lying.  Or she could be something else and not even know it.  Though the latter seems unlikely given that it would be hard to forget your natural form and be permanently shapeshifted, I'd imagine.

Modifié par Giltspur, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:08 .

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:10

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Giltspur wrote...

 Or she could be something else and not even know it.  Though the latter seems unlikely given that it would be hard to forget your natural form and be permanently shapeshifted, I'd imagine.


I actually believe this part may be closer to the possible truth.

EDIT: Where did you find that quote though? I am searching for ingame quotes.... And I want to access all of Flemeth's and Morrigan's quotes...

Modifié par SirShreK, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:11 .

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:11

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Ummm...no. Morrigan is human, per Gaider right here, from the old forums:

David Gaider wrote...
Thread: What has happened to Morrigan?  [+11]
Date: Saturday, 14 February 2009 02:53AM

Quote: Posted 02/14/09 01:02 (GMT) by Lotion Soronnar
Can you explain the yellow eyes? I crave that explanation. She IS human after all.
I need that explanation.

She is human, yes, but she is also a shapeshifter with unusual parentage. Her eyes are that colour to accentuate the fact that she is slightly alien in her nature, despite being human.

Fair enough?


So she IS human, although having FLemeth as a mom isn't exactly normal. The eye color could be a side effect of shape shifting, like the werewolves or maybe she is part of a dragon cult, as eye color changing is mentioned in the Dragon Cult codex entry...

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:13

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Brockololly wrote...

Ummm...no. Morrigan is human, per Gaider right here, from the old forums:

David Gaider wrote...
Thread: What has happened to Morrigan?  [+11]
Date: Saturday, 14 February 2009 02:53AM

Quote: Posted 02/14/09 01:02 (GMT) by Lotion Soronnar
Can you explain the yellow eyes? I crave that explanation. She IS human after all.
I need that explanation.

She
is human, yes, but she is also a shapeshifter with unusual parentage.
Her eyes are that colour to accentuate the fact that she is slightly
alien in her nature, despite being human.

Fair enough?


So she IS human, although having FLemeth as a mom isn't exactly normal. The eye color could be a side effect of shape shifting, like the werewolves or maybe she is part of a dragon cult, as eye color changing is mentioned in the Dragon Cult codex entry...


Great many thanks....
When one thinks of Yellow eyes (at least when I think of yellow eyes) One thinks of repitles... So perhaps she is HALF-DRAGON though mommy, what with the Fiery breath and leathery wings and all...

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:14

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Ok, Flemeth start out as a normal woman, right. Then all hell broke loose (she found love, lover ditched her for money, some trap happened, people died, Flemeth fled, talked with spirits,then made deals with demons, became semi-immortal yaddayaddayadda) and Flemeth is now a seemingly old woman that can both transform into a dragon (and possibly more) as well as take over people's bodies to regain youth.



Dragon's have been worshiped (were they considered Old Gods in myth or merely replaced the Old Gods) by the Dragon Cults. Also, darkspawn find sleep dragon's (right?) and infect them with taint to become archdemons. While I'm not sure if any of this connects, could dragon's be a physical embodiedment of demon(or "god", depending on who's describing it)-like things?



I have no idea if this is anywhere near true, but educated guessing is fun to do!

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:20

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All Morrigan says is that she already possesses a human form so can't learn another one, not that she has always been human. The quote does not contradict the idea that she was another creature who managed to shape-shift into a human if you read it carefully. I do think it's a bit of a stretch, but still, that quote is not evidence against the theory.

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:20

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SirShreK wrote...

Giltspur wrote...

 Or she could be something else and not even know it.  Though the latter seems unlikely given that it would be hard to forget your natural form and be permanently shapeshifted, I'd imagine.


I actually believe this part may be closer to the possible truth.

EDIT: Where did you find that quote though? I am searching for ingame quotes.... And I want to access all of Flemeth's and Morrigan's quotes...


I first searched here: http://dragonage.wik...rrigan/Dialogue

But the dialogue isn't complete--that answer was missing.  They did have a preview for it though: Can you change into other human forms, as well?

So I searched for that line on Google and found it repeated in a few places.

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:24

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Giltspur wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Giltspur wrote...

 Or she could be something else and not even know it.  Though the latter seems unlikely given that it would be hard to forget your natural form and be permanently shapeshifted, I'd imagine.


I actually believe this part may be closer to the possible truth.

EDIT: Where did you find that quote though? I am searching for ingame quotes.... And I want to access all of Flemeth's and Morrigan's quotes...




I first searched here: http://dragonage.wik...rrigan/Dialogue

But the dialogue isn't complete--that answer was missing.  They did have a preview for it though: Can you change into other human forms, as well?

So I searched for that line on Google and found it repeated in a few places.


Thanks! Repertoire of Speculation unbound!

Modifié par SirShreK, 22 juillet 2010 - 09:39 .

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Brockololly
Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:45

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Just use the toolset for the PC version if you're looking for dialogue...

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Posté 22 juillet 2010 - 09:49

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StreetlightEagle wrote...

All Morrigan says is that she already possesses a human form so can't learn another one, not that she has always been human. The quote does not contradict the idea that she was another creature who managed to shape-shift into a human if you read it carefully. I do think it's a bit of a stretch, but still, that quote is not evidence against the theory.


I agree. It is not an Hard and Fast condition placed on Humanity of Morrigan:

It could mean two things as you suggested which I will only elaborate:

1) She is Human NOW,
2) She is not entirely Human.
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