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[Shepard Lives]

The Chosen One schtick is pretty boring and kind of a handwave. You do this and that just because you're the chose one, the special kid. I like the fact that DAO and Mass Effect have us play normal, if notably badass, individuals who just happen to have to save the world.

[Lord Gremlin]

I love killing the chosen ones.

[Ulicus]

soteria wrote...

Altough Shepard it's starting to look as if he's been "chosen" by Harbinger in a bigger scope long term plan for the reapers.
the bad guys are making him the chosen one...

That may or may not be true, but if they are "choosing" Shepard, it's because of what he did, not because his father is secretly the last heir of a long-lost line of wizard kings that holds the only key to the superweapon that will destroy the reapers forever. When we talk about being the Chosen One, we mean from birth, not chosen based on merit.

Eh... if Paragon Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to sacrifice himself and wind up cruciform by the end of the series I'll be surprised, honestly.

[Sable Rhapsody]

shepard_lives wrote...

The Chosen One schtick is pretty boring and kind of a handwave. You do this and that just because you're the chose one, the special kid. I like the fact that DAO and Mass Effect have us play normal, if notably badass, individuals who just happen to have to save the world.

Yeah, I agree.  Shep and the Warden were extraordinary individuals, but if they hadn't made it (Shep died in the backstory, Warden never made it to Ostagar, etc.) there's still a chance someone else might have stepped up to save everyone's asses.  Not as stylishly, but still.  It's not as though a prophecy declared that Shep/Warden was the ONLY ONE who could save everyone.

Hawke seems to come from even more modest roots, which I think is ten kinds of cool.  

[stevej713]

I believe Mr. Gaider said something along the lines of "No chosen one. No quest to save the world." I can't find the quote, though.

[Daerog]

It's about Hawke's rise to power, not him finding the cure for the blight or being the reincarnation of Andraste. Doesn't sound "chosen one" to me, although his right arm in the cover for GI looks odd, so he seems special in some way prior to being Champion (maybe?).

[Collider]

soteria wrote...

I hope not. ME managed to avoid this trope, as well. It's not one I care for.

[Anexity]

stevej713 wrote...

I believe Mr. Gaider said something along the lines of "No chosen one. No quest to save the world." I can't find the quote, though.

In DAO you save the world from the Blight, which is a "save the world" quest. I do believe he said they purposfully avoided making you any sort of chosen one, though. Every origin in DAO, gets to where they are because of skill. I liked that about DAO, the idea of someone not gifted saving the world.

[orpheus333]

 I see Hawke as more of a Maric figure.

[DR4GNballz]

CHUCK NORRIS once fought someone they called "The Chosen", turns out he was CHOSEN to get kicked into SPACE by CHUCK NORRIS

[The Edge]

Hawke will probably be the "Manipulated One".

[In Exile]

Anexity wrote...

In DAO you save the world from the Blight, which is a "save the world" quest. I do believe he said they purposfully avoided making you any sort of chosen one, though. Every origin in DAO, gets to where they are because of skill. I liked that about DAO, the idea of someone not gifted saving the world.

Eh? It's arguable whether someone who is so skilled to do what the Warden did in DA is not gifted. Put another way, you can be an above average anything if you work hard at it (and aren't too lacking in talent), but it's arguable whether hard work can ever overcome talent. And the evidence is strongly in favour of hard work not overcoming talent in the least.

Also, it is at least cannon that the Mage origin is a genius, based on the dialogue with pride-possesed Uldred, where he practically drools over your potential.

Modifié par In Exile, 23 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[soteria]

I'm just guessing he meant "gifted" in the fantasy way, like Rand al'Thor, not "gifted" like an athlete is gifted.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I'm still waiting for the massive sandbox Thedas experience where I can start off as a dwarf nug wrangler or an elven slave and either starve in a ditch or save the world based on equally unlikely series of events.

[Malanek]

filaminstrel wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...
Well King Arthur was an archetypical chosen one, right, and he didn't destroy some ancient evil, did he? Just became ruler of England led them to victory in battle and such. Kind of like what Hawke might do in the Free Marches. Or like what Calenhad did in the earlier days of Ferelden.

I take it you're not Welsh. Lot's of different versions of Camelot and Britain although I'm not sure that any of them have Arthur in the role of a "chosen one" that matches Soteria's description.

I'm not, no. I admit, I don't really know much about the legends. I just thought the whole "sword in the stone" thing or the "lady in the lake" thing hinted at him being divinely chosen.

I wasn't even thinking of the sword in the stone, I guess you do have a point there. In lots of versions that doesn't happen and I've also heard it described as a trick of merlins on occasion. Arthur was actually a genuine historical figure (although terribly twisted by fiction), so being described as a "chosen one" surprised me a bit. He actually united the British-Roman tribes and fought against the Sais or Saxons, who were a big part of what became known as the English.

[David Gaider]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

[Kail Ashton]

I'm not geting much of a chosen one vibe so far, Seems more like Hawke's just a badass in the right place at the right time & can take advantage of it (by our choices)



The whole grab for power theme kinda negates the chosen one thing in general

[Riona45]

Ulicus wrote...


Eh... if Paragon Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to sacrifice himself and wind up cruciform by the end of the series I'll be surprised, honestly.

Not that Shepard didn't already die and come back.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

ME 3, Shepard converts Iridium into Element Zero by will, true story. Loaves and fishes for everyone, especially those krogan on the citadel.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

David Gaider wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

But isnt that what most fans consider to be a "chosen one" story? I mean a lot of people say they would hate Hawke to be the demon god child because it would seem to follow the "chosen one" storyline but really how would a demon god child be more "chosen one" than Hawke being destined to be the most important person in Thedas?

I mean even Shepard's story reeks of a "chosen one" vibe.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 23 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

That depends what you mean by "destiny".

We know right from the beginning of the game that Hawke does do something significant.  But does he do it because he's somehow fated to do it and the world can't have abided any other outcome, or because he happens to be the one who does it, and we only know that because the story is told out of order?

From Hawke's point of view, is he an ordinary guy (or even an exceptional guy) in an extraordinary circumstance, or is he somehow singularly special?

BioWare's games don't typically rely on the "chosen one" device - Jade Empire did, and BG did to a degree - but given that you specifically said you were trying to avoid it in DAO suggests its something that can happen.

[soteria]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

But isnt that what most fans consider to be a "chosen one" story? I mean a lot of people say they would hate Hawke to be the demon god child because it would seem to follow the "chosen one" storyline but really how would a demon god child be more "chosen one" than Hawke being destined to be the most important person in Thedas?
I mean even Shepard's story reeks of a "chosen one" vibe.

Um, no?  Usually "chosen one" refers to someone who is special either by virtue of birth or prophecy or both.  Shepard isn't a "chosen one" at all.  Mr. Gaider means Hawke has a destiny just because her story is historical.  Calling Hawke the "chosen one" would be like calling George Washington the "chosen one."
If the PC were the god child, that would be a "chosen one" story.  Probably.

[joriandrake]

He is the Chosen One, every Bioware game has a Chosen One in one way or another

[SDNcN]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

But isnt that what most fans consider to be a "chosen one" story? I mean a lot of people say they would hate Hawke to be the demon god child because it would seem to follow the "chosen one" storyline but really how would a demon god child be more "chosen one" than Hawke being destined to be the most important person in Thedas?

I mean even Shepard's story reeks of a "chosen one" vibe.

Hawke is 'destined' to become someone significant because the narrative is being told by others after he has already accomplished what has made him significant. Nothing released so far indicates Hawke is subject a prophecy fortelling his great deeds or the last of his kind, which would make him a "Chosen One".To me the narrative structure looks like it just reveals piece of Hawke's ending, while players fill out what remains of his story during the events of the game.