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[Fishy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

That depends what you mean by "destiny".

We know right from the beginning of the game that Hawke does do something significant.  But does he do it because he's somehow fated to do it and the world can't have abided any other outcome, or because he happens to be the one who does it, and we only know that because the story is told out of order?

From Hawke's point of view, is he an ordinary guy (or even an exceptional guy) in an extraordinary circumstance, or is he somehow singularly special?

BioWare's games don't typically rely on the "chosen one" device - Jade Empire did, and BG did to a degree - but given that you specifically said you were trying to avoid it in DAO suggests its something that can happen.

Born with something special .. Or the last able to use some kind of power to defeat some evil ..
Hawke he's special because he's going to do something that few can do . But i don't think he's  *the chosen one*

Unless Andraste spawn before him and tell him he got some kind of mystical power able to defeat the god of the blight and he's the last survivor of the monastery monk of the maker that was massacred during Flemeth rampage or some crap like that.

Than he was orphaned and trained to use his mystical power by the legendary mage of the swamp


But he can be the chosen one .. Because not everyone can become some kind of legendary hero . Thus that make him the chosen one.

But you nkow.The only thing that important.That Hawke will become someone very important in Thedas.Chosen one or not who care?No one want to play some weakling

Modifié par Suprez30, 23 juillet 2010 - 06:15 .

[saMoorai]

Mike Hawke has been chosen by the maker to save the world!

[joriandrake]

Maybe he was chosen to have sex with Andraste

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

Beginning as in the introduction to the narrator or Lothering? If you know you're somebody that's going to become important from Hawke's point of view at the very start, it seems rather.. Chosen One-ish.

[Dave of Canada]

joriandrake wrote...

Maybe he was chosen to have sex with Andraste

Her ashes are enough to drive any man wild.

Unless you're talking about the Dragon.

[Zalocx]

I see Hawke as being like Napoleon/Alexander the Great. He isn't "born special" but accomplishes such great deeds that he retroactively becomes a "larger than life figure" in the history of Thedas

[soteria]

He is the Chosen One, every Bioware game has a Chosen One in one way or another

Only if you misapply the trope so broadly that every story driven by a single protagonist is The Chosen One. "Chosen one" doesn't mean "hero of the story."

Beginning as in the introduction to the narrator or Lothering? If you know you're somebody that's going to become important from Hawke's point of view at the very start, it seems rather.. Chosen One-ish.

Well, that would be, but look at his wording: "you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant." Seems pretty clear that he's referring to the out of character knowledge the player possesses.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

soteria wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

But isnt that what most fans consider to be a "chosen one" story? I mean a lot of people say they would hate Hawke to be the demon god child because it would seem to follow the "chosen one" storyline but really how would a demon god child be more "chosen one" than Hawke being destined to be the most important person in Thedas?
I mean even Shepard's story reeks of a "chosen one" vibe.

Um, no?  Usually "chosen one" refers to someone who is special either by virtue of birth or prophecy or both.  Shepard isn't a "chosen one" at all.  Mr. Gaider means Hawke has a destiny just because her story is historical.  Calling Hawke the "chosen one" would be like calling George Washington the "chosen one."
If the PC were the god child, that would be a "chosen one" story.  Probably.

How so? Was there some prophecy that the god child was supposed to fulfill? Is the Architect a "chosen one" as well? Someone who was just born under extrodinary circumstances doesnt automaticaly qualify him for "chosen one" status.

[joriandrake]

Fallout 1 also had a Chosen One, for no other reason than to be chosen to run around seeking a water chip.

[Arttis]

i see chosen as chosen by a higher authority/being to do something.

[joriandrake]

Arttis wrote...

i see chosen as chosen by a higher authority/being to do something.

Well, Hawke is already decided to be a champion and a person who changes whole Thedas, that pretty much sums up twhat "chosen" means at its best.

[soteria]

Well, Hawke is already decided to be a champion and a person who changes whole Thedas, that pretty much sums up twhat "chosen" means at its best.

Words mean something. In this case, "Chosen One" is a metaphorical phrase or trope used to describe pretty much what Arttis just said. It doesn't mean "hero of the story" or "important person who does important things." "Chosen" means chosen by the gods or prophecy or Destiny with a capital D, not chosen by the authors to be the protagonist.

[AlanC9]

In FO2 you literally do play a Chosen One; you're actually called that. But really you're just a "chosen one;" your tribe picks you because you're the best they've got.



So does that count?

[joriandrake]

To me it looks like Hawke has very much a predetermined Destiny, this is why the choices for origins and race were cut out mostly, atleast in my opinion, and all the info about Hawke we get also point to a "great destiny"

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

In FO2 you literally do play a Chosen One; you're actually called that. But really you're just a "chosen one;" your tribe picks you because you're the best they've got.

So does that count?

I would say no.

If a village is overrun with goblins and everyone is killed except for one person (by random chance - say he or she found a better hiding place), and that person is your PC, I would not call that character the Chosen One.  While the game requires that a single character survive that, and that you then play that character, it's not important (within the setting) that John Smith have been the guy who lived.

But if he lived he alone can fulfil some prophect, then he'd be the chosen one.

[soteria]

In FO2 you literally do play a Chosen One; you're actually called that. But really you're just a "chosen one;" your tribe picks you because you're the best they've got.
So does that count?

Heh. I've heard of this one, though I have yet to play the game. It's sitting in my desk drawer, waiting for me to finish Medieval II. But yeah, no.

Strange question, I suppose, but Sylvius, how did you stretch your finger far enough over to hit the 't' instead of the 'y'? That's an odd typo.  Wait, wait, let me guess:  you typed that last sentence all with one hand.

Modifié par soteria, 23 juillet 2010 - 07:03 .

[The Console Version is good]

David Gaider wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Will DA2 continue this, or is Hawke somehow special in a way of the writers' design, thus making him the proverbial "Chosen One"?

Unless you wish to extend the definition of a "Chosen One" to someone who has a destiny (you do know right from the beginning of the game, after all, that your character is destined to become someone significant), then no... there is no "Chosen One" scenario here.

Whoa David Spoiler Alert!

[Sanzee]

@The Console Version is Good

How is that a spoiler alert? You're ruining the concept of a spoiler, extending it to the very explanation of whether or not something is spoiler itself. David did not spoiler anything, he merely provided a little underlying information regarding context of the initial question. I do like your username though. Haha.

Modifié par Sanzee, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:03 .

[HighMoon]

No "Chosen one" crap please. I'd rather Hawke just be an average Joe/Jo who rises up to power.

[The Console Version is good]

Sanzee wrote...

@The Console Version is Good

How is that a spoiler alert? You're ruining the concept of a spoiler, extending it to the very explanation of whether or not something is spoiler itself. David did not spoiler anything, he merely provided a little underlying information regarding context of the initial question. I do like your username though. Haha.

Everyone seems to be complaining about something so I felt like complaining about something! I need something to complain about! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[joriandrake]

soteria wrote...

In FO2 you literally do play a Chosen One; you're actually called that. But really you're just a "chosen one;" your tribe picks you because you're the best they've got.
So does that count?

Heh. I've heard of this one, though I have yet to play the game. It's sitting in my desk drawer, waiting for me to finish Medieval II. But yeah, no.

Strange question, I suppose, but Sylvius, how did you stretch your finger far enough over to hit the 't' instead of the 'y'? That's an odd typo.  Wait, wait, let me guess:  you typed that last sentence all with one hand.

Z and Y are sometimes mixed up on configuration, and on most keyboards T and Z are "neighbors"

[joriandrake]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

In FO2 you literally do play a Chosen One; you're actually called that. But really you're just a "chosen one;" your tribe picks you because you're the best they've got.

So does that count?

I would say no.

If a village is overrun with goblins and everyone is killed except for one person (by random chance - say he or she found a better hiding place), and that person is your PC, I would not call that character the Chosen One.  While the game requires that a single character survive that, and that you then play that character, it's not important (within the setting) that John Smith have been the guy who lived.

But if he lived he alone can fulfil some prophect, then he'd be the chosen one.

this is ironic, because there is no better way to tell you that you are chosen than be called Chosen One the whole game long

[Arttis]

joriandrake wrote...

Arttis wrote...

i see chosen as chosen by a higher authority/being to do something.

Well, Hawke is already decided to be a champion and a person who changes whole Thedas, that pretty much sums up twhat "chosen" means at its best.

He was not chosen to become champion as far as we know.That is just how the story is being told.
When i say higher power I mean like the maker comes down and tells you to destroy the chantry.Then you go do it.Because your the chosen one.
Hawke so far from what I have read has done everything already.We just control how that story goes.It is simply the past being restated by a companion of yours.No one decided anything but you deciding what you did.So since you can not be a higher power of yourself...he was not chosen...If that makes any sense.

[snfonseka]

He may be a demi god who was chosen by the god to do his work ......

[orpheus333]