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[Sarah1281]

I think it depends which noble has more power. Say a DNF that didn't get exiled and ended up becoming queen. If she marries a member of House Helmi, she's certainly not going to make House Helmi the royal family and he'll become a part of House Aeducan. Lady Dace spoke of having children which implies she's married but she's also the daughter of Lord Dace so either she married within her house or her position in House Dace was stronger than the house/position in house of her husband.

[Maria13]

Thank you so much Sarah!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria13 wrote...

Question: when a female noble marries within her caste does she remain part of her family or become part of the husband's?

What Sarah said. Also I believe it's part of the arrangement between said families. We know that marriage amongst noble houses are almost exclusively political. So I think it depends on each family individually and the political / economic implications of shifting families.

Orzammar is somewhat influence by Rome and in Rome, there were mainly two types of marriages:
- Marriage by coemptio, where the wife came under the guardianship (essentially family) of her husband.
- Marriage by usus, where the wife remained under the guardianship of her paterfamilias / head of her own family.

So I think Dwarves might have something similar.

I can see weaker houses having their females (or males) change names to stronger families, to strengthen their alliance.
But I would think that houses that are equal in strength would be more weary about doing this.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 novembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Bruddajakka]

Well in the case of Branka, and Oghren didn't she become a member of his house, then his entire house was absorbed into the new house she founded?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Well in the case of Branka, and Oghren didn't she become a member of his house, then his entire house was absorbed into the new house she founded?

Branka was smith caste when she married Oghren, who is a warrior. So Oghren was superior in terms of position. However when she became paragon, she founded her own house and Oghren joined.

I am not sure if Oghren's house joined hosue Branka fully. I assume Warrior houses are large and are patronised by noble houses, which I am not sure they would be willing to part with.
I think it's only Oghren who joined House Branka, and not his entire house (that would ****** off whatever Noble house patronised them). But I am not sure.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 novembre 2010 - 05:15 .

[Bruddajakka]

Turns out I was right actually.

Oghren used to be a promising warrior of House Kondrat in Orzammar. He married a smith caste girl named Branka, who would later become a Paragon. Soon after founding House Branka – which absorbed the entire House Kondrat – Branka took her household, with the sole exception of her husband, and entered the Deep Roads in search for the secrets of the legendary smith Caridin. They were not heard from again.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Turns out I was right actually.

Oghren used to be a promising warrior of House Kondrat in Orzammar. He married a smith caste girl named Branka, who would later become a Paragon. Soon after founding House Branka – which absorbed the entire House Kondrat – Branka took her household, with the sole exception of her husband, and entered the Deep Roads in search for the secrets of the legendary smith Caridin. They were not heard from again.

Huh. Well that should ****** off whatever noble house patronised House Kondrat.

But I guess Paragons have that power.

[Gilsa]

Been such a long time that I played or looked at toolset so my memory is rusty. I was under the impression that the woman keeps her status and the man keeps his status, even in marriage because their children gain their status only by the same-sex parent's original status. I could have sworn I read somewhere that this is why the mining and smithing caste (or was it smithing and warrior?) are encouraged to mix so there would be more children with those respectable statuses. Y'know, better than breeding more casteless with the noble hunters. I could be wrong. It was just the impression that I had.

[Bruddajakka]

As far as we can see I think it works something like this



Noble caste typically marries Noble caste

Warrior/Smith/Merchant/Miner Caste marry between each other frequently, and the sex of the child determines what they train to be.

Servant Caste typically marries Servant caste

Casteless are just kinda there.

[beggargirl]

I'm sure I'm probably having a mind blank here, but what exactly happens to Beraht in Origins other than the Dwarf Commoner, that ends in Jarvia running the Carta by the time you get to Orzammar?



The DC and Leske are found in their cells, so that mass slaughter is avoided.

[Sarah1281]

Actually, the mass slaughter seems to happen anyway. The difference is that when you leave the carta hideout and are confronted with the Proving Master and a bunch of guards, Duncan isn't there to conscript you. We can conclude that Jarvia bribes someone (like Beraht did to get you and Leske in his custody after the Proving in the first place) and gets the two of you back where she leaves you locked up until the DC dies and Leske is in bad shape when the Warden comes through.

[mousestalker]

I need help. I've been thinking up and discarding ideas for a Sigrun story for over a month. She is one of my favourite game characters of all time and I can't come up with a story seed. Can someone suggest a Sigrun prompt?

[Giggles_Manically]

So replaying as a DC:

Duncan is easily the most awesome in this origin.



Because really there are so many points were he sticks up for you and gives you so much respect, plus he just talks down all those guards at once.

[Bruddajakka]

I think Duncan sees a lot of himself in the Dwarf Commoner due to them having similar backgrounds. Though of course the reasons they end up being recruited are different.

[mousestalker]

The Dwarf Commoner also just had a Crowning Moment of Awesome where she basically gives all seven castes the finger. She's pretty much the ideal grey warden candidate after that.

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

Been such a long time that I played or looked at toolset so my memory is rusty. I was under the impression that the woman keeps her status and the man keeps his status, even in marriage because their children gain their status only by the same-sex parent's original status. I could have sworn I read somewhere that this is why the mining and smithing caste (or was it smithing and warrior?) are encouraged to mix so there would be more children with those respectable statuses. Y'know, better than breeding more casteless with the noble hunters. I could be wrong. It was just the impression that I had.

That changes if the woman or man becomes a paragon. They are then allowed to make nobles out of whichever people they wish to form their new house.

And being a noble-hunter while not being a duster is frowned upon methinks. Warriors and smiths are fairly similar in status, so one of the families wouldn't have to support the other.

[Raonar]

Let's See... Sigrun prompts...

if you're a DC and run into the DC's dad on the surface, what would she say I wonder?

Or maybe she and the DC knew each other at some point back in Dust Town?

Also, on the Duncan/DC thing. We have to admit that the DC is the most badass Grey Warden because castless, technically, aren't even allowed to carry weapons yet he WIPES THE FLOOR with the Warrior Caste's greatest, plus most of the guard patrol on duty at the time.

Oh, and he escapes a prison and kills the Mafia boss while he's at it, not long after suffering severe blows to the head that he ends up shrugging off without brain damage. All this at around 20 at msot (Rica is about 22, or so the toolset says, and sinc Bhelen calls him/her little sibling, it's obvious he;s even younger then him. And Bhelen is younger than Rica, 21 that is, so...)

The toolset also says Leske is 19, so the DC is about 18-20 at most. And he utterly crushes seasoned veterans.

Pair that with natural dwarven badassery, and there you go.

Modifié par Raonar, 12 novembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[Costin_Razvan]

A DN is even more badass in my honest opinion. He/She also wipes the floor with even BETTER fighters then a DC does and then has to fight through half a dozen Darkspawn/Deepstalkers with just a Sword and Shield and no armor.

[Corker]

mousestalker wrote...

I need help. I've been thinking up and discarding ideas for a Sigrun story for over a month. She is one of my favourite game characters of all time and I can't come up with a story seed. Can someone suggest a Sigrun prompt?

Siggers is hard, I agree!  Let me put on my Thane helmet thinking cap...

Return to Orzammar
The Vigil's fame attracts some older Wardens from Orlais and beyond, and eventually one of them gets his or her Calling.  Sigrun volunteers to be part of his escort to Orzammar to put a few more of the ghosts of her past to rest.

A dwarf and a Warden walk into a bar...
Sigrun and [companion of your choice] are on leave in Amaranthine.  Hijinks ensue.  (For some reason, I'm seeing her palming Nathaniel's Worn Gold Band to get him to chase her in a rogue vs. rogue skill contest around city center, apparently because I have a Thing with Sigrun and Nathaniel's jewelry collection...?)

Training Day
Three new recruits are preparing for their Joining.  Sigrun is the Warden who goes with them to collect the darkspawn blood.

Dwarf vs Seneschal
It's not stealing if the things are in the larder for Wardens to eat, right?  Varel takes issue with Sigrun's loose attitude towards inventory control (perhaps after a series of dainties that were being saved for Important Guests go missing and embarrass him).  Rather than bother the Commander, he Takes Measures.  Surely no challenge for a Legionnaire Scout hardened by darkspawn traps in the Deep Roads, right?  Right?

Felsi
Sigrun might feel bad for her; would the former Orzammar native accept the friendly overtures of a casteless?

Welcome to the Wonders of Thedas
Chasind fertility robes? Golem dolls?  Magic staves and runes and silly feathered hats and try this one on, Anders!  Possibly the only customer to sufficiently irritate... er, create a disordered and unwanted state within the store of sufficient magnitude that the Tranquil kicks her out.

Or, on one of K's quests in DAO, it seems that the Tranquil is involved in Denerim's underworld, possibly lyrium smuggling.  That could be a more serious turn.

Any of those work for you?

[Raonar]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

A DN is even more badass in my
honest opinion. He/She also wipes the floor with even BETTER fighters
then a DC does and then has to fight through half a dozen
Darkspawn/Deepstalkers with just a Sword and Shield and no armor.

Yes, but he/she was born and raised for it and is about 3 years older than the DC at least (has to be older than Bhelen after all, and Bhelen is older than the DC so).

And all the fighters in the DC provings had a fair share of darkspawn in their kills count. Meh, they're both as good at killing things anyway, I'm just saying the DC got that good while at larger of a disadvantage.

To each his own I guess

Modifié par Raonar, 12 novembre 2010 - 12:26 .

[Herr Uhl]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

A DN is even more badass in my honest opinion. He/She also wipes the floor with even BETTER fighters then a DC does and then has to fight through half a dozen Darkspawn/Deepstalkers with just a Sword and Shield and no armor.

But they were taught fighting by the finest teachers in the land. The DC had to pick it up as s/he went along.

The DC also overthrew the entire carta that posed the hardest fight for the DN. By breaking her/himself out of prison.

Edit: I'd also rank the CE amongst the badass if it weren't for how silly the origins of his/her fighting abilities were.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 12 novembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[mousestalker]

Corker wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

I need help. I've been thinking up and discarding ideas for a Sigrun story for over a month. She is one of my favourite game characters of all time and I can't come up with a story seed. Can someone suggest a Sigrun prompt?

Siggers is hard, I agree!  Let me put on my Thane helmet thinking cap...

Return to Orzammar
The Vigil's fame attracts some older Wardens from Orlais and beyond, and eventually one of them gets his or her Calling.  Sigrun volunteers to be part of his escort to Orzammar to put a few more of the ghosts of her past to rest.

A dwarf and a Warden walk into a bar...
Sigrun and [companion of your choice] are on leave in Amaranthine.  Hijinks ensue.  (For some reason, I'm seeing her palming Nathaniel's Worn Gold Band to get him to chase her in a rogue vs. rogue skill contest around city center, apparently because I have a Thing with Sigrun and Nathaniel's jewelry collection...?)

Training Day
Three new recruits are preparing for their Joining.  Sigrun is the Warden who goes with them to collect the darkspawn blood.

Dwarf vs Seneschal
It's not stealing if the things are in the larder for Wardens to eat, right?  Varel takes issue with Sigrun's loose attitude towards inventory control (perhaps after a series of dainties that were being saved for Important Guests go missing and embarrass him).  Rather than bother the Commander, he Takes Measures.  Surely no challenge for a Legionnaire Scout hardened by darkspawn traps in the Deep Roads, right?  Right?

Felsi
Sigrun might feel bad for her; would the former Orzammar native accept the friendly overtures of a casteless?

Welcome to the Wonders of Thedas
Chasind fertility robes? Golem dolls?  Magic staves and runes and silly feathered hats and try this one on, Anders!  Possibly the only customer to sufficiently irritate... er, create a disordered and unwanted state within the store of sufficient magnitude that the Tranquil kicks her out.

Or, on one of K's quests in DAO, it seems that the Tranquil is involved in Denerim's underworld, possibly lyrium smuggling.  That could be a more serious turn.

Any of those work for you?

There are several good possibilities in that list. There will be much mulling and even pondering in the near future. Accompanied by daydreaming...

Thank you!

[Sarah1281]

Also, on the Duncan/DC thing. We have to admit that the DC is the most badass Grey Warden because castless, technically, aren't even allowed to carry weapons yet he WIPES THE FLOOR with the Warrior Caste's greatest, plus most of the guard patrol on duty at the time.

They may not legally be allowed to carry weapons but it's not like they don't totally do anyway so I'm not sure why that's especially impressive.

[Corker]

It's kind of like a gang member taking out an Army Ranger. Not impossible but unexpected.