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[saruman85]

PureMethodActor wrote...
I played my DN after and through seeing the surfacer/casteless/noble issues presented in the origin story, I realized my mistake. Bhelen betrayed me, but I knew that deep down he was the right choice for king.

Wow you certainly got the Aeducan ruthlessness down pat! Yeah I know Bhelen's the best for king, but without metagaming I couldn't do it. I couldn't put Bhelen on the throne in my DN runs and do that to Harrowmont after all he'd done for me. Bhelen has a much bigger fanbase on this thread, I know, but say what you will about Harrowmont, he's still my favourite NPC.

Having said that, my DC happily jumped at putting Bhelen on the throne though. I'm a member of the Giggles Manically school of RPing - I really get into my characters (which probably explains my horrible grades at school).

But yeah you're absolutely right about the caste issues - I'm assuming you've played the DC origin too, so I think it's wonderful how they show you both sides of the coin in the two origins. So today my 2nd DN who didn't kill Trian spoke to Bhelen and told him "I didn't kill Trian" - and got the really interesting conversation where he says he "saved you from the throne" because you weren't ruthless enough to hold it. Daymn but that was deep. I guess that's where Sarah gets her "Orzammar needs a ruler ruthless enough to save it" theory

[Giggles_Manically]

Hey wait... I have a school? SODDING NUGS IN THE FADE!

I dont charge tuition! No wonder I am so poor.



But yes I do all of the little quests in Orzamar so that I can see why it needs to change and talk to all the NPC's I can. The Shaper, the merchants, seeing the quest with the baby in Dust Town (A tradition that makes a person kill an innocent baby makes me sick), and just breathing in the atmosphere really shows you what is wrong in Orzamar.



Also my RPing is leading somewhere funny. I usually go right into a Leliana romance, but this time Dain is having a hard time doing it. He likes her, but its just so wierd, and the part where he likes her is freaking him out some.

I can imagine him hiding behind Sten sometimes as well.

Sten: Kadan, even I can see this wont work.

Dain: Ssshhh... SHES COMING! <cowers in terror>

Sten: I hate my life.....

[soignee]

yeah Rica can marry Bhelen once she's noble.

[Sarah1281]

SURE Harrowmont is a good man and he said he would look into making sure Bhelen's child is taken care of, but could I really trust him, given the baby was from a casteless mother?

What he actually says is that it's House Aeducan's problem and he won't touch her. And you, the Aunt/Uncle of the kid, kicked their family off the throne. Maybe Endrin would be okay but without metagaming does it seem like Rica would be? They don't really need her.

I'm not sure about this, but since the Dwarf Commoner becomes a Paragon, Rica, being a part of the family, would effectively become a noble, right? So is it possible that she could marry Bhelen as a Noble in that case? Open question to anyone (but expecting Sarah to be the first to respond )

Rica, as a Paragons sister, is absolutely a noble. The only disadvantage she has is her lack of connections but given that DC's a Paragon that helps make up for it. IF Bhelen chose to marry her, then he could with very little public outcry although this doesn't seem to have occured to Rica by the end of the game. She's rather self-effacting, though, so that's not necessarily an indication that he wouldn't. It all depends on whether he actually loves her, whether he had other plans to have a marriage alliance with someone else. whether a noble like Rica now is could be kept as a concubine without a lot of bad PR, ect. (My internet is acting up so this took forever to actually post.)

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah Bhelen's relationship with Rica is probably the best indication of to what kind of man he could be once he has the throne. Which they deliberately don't show you as a Dwarf Noble so unless your meta gaming it's hard not look at him as a ruthless ****. He's also pretty friendly to you if your playing a Dwarf Commoner. Geez I'd kill for a game that was just set in Orzammar.

[Sarah1281]

Which they deliberately don't show you as a Dwarf Noble so unless your meta gaming it's hard not look at him as a ruthless ****.

I'm not sure that they deliberately don't show it to the DN. That origin meets her in their origin and no one but the DC runs into her in game...because she seeks THEM out. She's supposed to stay out of sight so the deshyrs don't use her as an excuse to vote for Harrowmont. You can find out, if you choose Bhelen, about her and Bhelen's son if you talk to those gossipy nobles outside the palace and go down to Dust Town and hear the thugs talking about how Bhelen might actually help them out.

[Giggles_Manically]

Just a drop in pic:



This is how we do it in Orzamar fool!

[Bruddajakka]

Ugh sometimes I feel really gyped as DN Warden. Since your choices are basically put a weak old man on the throne, or put your murderous brother on the throne. Oh well least I can imagine mine takes his "army" back to Orzammar founds his own noble house, and marries Adal Helmi.

[Sarah1281]

Nice to see I'm not the only Adal fan. My DNM does just that as well. He doesn't really have to struggle with the moral choice, however, as he REALLy didn't want the throne and Bhelen prevented him from having to take it. Kind of a strange guy, actually.

[Bruddajakka]

Nah mine never really wanted it either. He was going to join the Grey Warden's to slip past the whole Succession mess, and ended up getting caught up in it before he had the chance. So thanks to Bhelen he actually got to do what he wanted, and he can return to Orzammar as a Paragon, and really set to cleaning things up in the deep roads thanks to Alistair's gift. Plus he likes the fact having the army there really makes Bhelen uncomfortable.

And Adal is awesome. Oh and I rather like your Dwarf Noble Male. Need to do more with him if you get a chance. 

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Thrubeingcool13]

Does anyone else have a hard time justifying their DN romancing a human/elf? I usually play my DN's as being in love with Orzammar and wanting to return, and obviously being with a human makes that very difficult. Though I'm not sure a surface dwarf would be any better thana human.

[Bruddajakka]

Not really. Mine tended to be very passionate, and sexual, Mardy, and Tali weren't the first time he'd made use of Noble Hunters, and he wasn't about to stop now that he was on the surface. Besides humans, and Elves were something exotic. He ended up with Lelianna despite her "issues" when it came to race but he isn't about to marry her any time soon.

[Thrubeingcool13]

That wasn't really the point. There's a difference between having casual sex and being in a committed relationship(which all of the love interests assume you are in). A DN who returns to Orzammar can't really bring a human or elf with them and expect to be backed politically or even accepted by dwarven society. Inter-racial(species?) relationships are a taboo there.

[Giggles_Manically]

Thrubeingcool13 wrote...

That wasn't really the point. There's a difference between having casual sex and being in a committed relationship(which all of the love interests assume you are in). A DN who returns to Orzammar can't really bring a human or elf with them and expect to be backed politically or even accepted by dwarven society. Inter-racial(species?) relationships are a taboo there.

You have to metagame that though.
Really at by the point you can start a relationship you are still an exile and cant know that you will return.

[Bruddajakka]

You have to metagame that though.
Really at by the point you can start a relationship you are still an exile and cant know that you will return.

Pretty much. And I don't recall it ever being mentioned that it's taboo.

[Giggles_Manically]

Bruddajakka wrote...

You have to metagame that though.
Really at by the point you can start a relationship you are still an exile and cant know that you will return.

Pretty much. And I don't recall it ever being mentioned that it's taboo.

I cant imagine it going over well though.
I dont think Dain is going back, he full well plans on seeing the world and living HIS life.
Not a Noble's Life.
Not a Paragon's Life.
But His own life where he can chose what to do with it and where he can go, without having to worry about blights and kings.

[Bruddajakka]

Ehhh it would probably end up on the level of a concubine as long as they didn't draw attention to it it could be chalked up as a quirk.

[Thrubeingcool13]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Thrubeingcool13 wrote...

That wasn't really the point. There's a difference between having casual sex and being in a committed relationship(which all of the love interests assume you are in). A DN who returns to Orzammar can't really bring a human or elf with them and expect to be backed politically or even accepted by dwarven society. Inter-racial(species?) relationships are a taboo there.

You have to metagame that though.
Really at by the point you can start a relationship you are still an exile and cant know that you will return.

True enough, but I'm more lamenting the fact that there are no dwarven love interests. A male DN is stuck with someone whose religious views are the complete opposite, a swamp witch, or Zevran. And none of them even bat an eyelash at the fact that you're a dwarf. I know there have to be some allowances for the LIs, but it's just odd that everyone wants to get in everyone else's pants.

[Thrubeingcool13]

Bruddajakka wrote...

You have to metagame that though.
Really at by the point you can start a relationship you are still an exile and cant know that you will return.

Pretty much. And I don't recall it ever being mentioned that it's taboo.

Pretty sure there's a codex entry/offhand mention about someone form House Dace getting disowned for shacking up with an elf.

[Giggles_Manically]

I do find it wierd that the only Dwarven LI specific line is from Alistair.

No one else even has a single one. Although I play more elves than dwarves right now.

[Bruddajakka]

At least Leli doesn't come off as Blatantly racist at the start of it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Bruddajakka wrote...

At least Leli doesn't come off as Blatantly racist at the start of it.

Thats more of putting your foot in your mouth than being racist.

Trust me I know racists, and what she said was dumb, and poorly thought out but she does apologize for it.

Also Alistair's line to an elf is creepy to me "Escpecially because of that", that just comes off as gross to me.

[Bruddajakka]

Alistair in general comes off creepy to me. With Leli I can chalk it up to Tug probably having hit on her all the time so it makes the Dwarf thing less weird to her. But the Elf thing really bugs me at least she does apologize.