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[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe he was using the 5% in tounge and cheek?



Than again how many people just blazed through the game once as themselves and didnt play it again?

[RavenousBear]

Yeah, I am skeptical that only 5% would play dwarves. I know Human S&S warrior/Human noble would be the clear favorite origin, but I highly doubt 80%+ would only play human and not be tempted to at least see the other origin stories.

[Sarah1281]

Maybe the data was on first time playthroughs? And, of course, there are the people who only play it once.

[RavenousBear]

I am saying that with 6 different origins, that "some" one-play through people would at least take a quick run through the origin itself before being sent to Ostagar. I wonder if that is also included in the data unless the player chose to delete that character immediately after completing the origin.



However I only know one person in RL who has played the game and he only played it once. At least he did not choose HN.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well I think most people do try to create themselves first in game so it only natural that they would play as a Human Noble first.



Then again my sister played a mage first.

Overall though I like playing as elves, and dwarves more though.



Not that it matters since dwarves and elves arent L33T enough for some people I guess if DA2 is any indicator.

[Addai]

Caak7i wrote...

Yeah, I am skeptical that only 5% would play dwarves. I know Human S&S warrior/Human noble would be the clear favorite origin, but I highly doubt 80%+ would only play human and not be tempted to at least see the other origin stories.

Ugh, I can't imagine why.  Then again, on Oblivion I chose a Nord warrior because game guides often say a human warrior is a good character to learn the game on before trying mages and the like.

I have to admit that I've never finished the game as a dwarf *don't hit me*.  My 1st pt was a city elf.

[Addai]

Found these Dwyns and Oghrens (with bonus Ser Perth) in my folder.

I like Dwyn.  I don't have as big a crush on him as on Kardol, but a couple of my characters would have given Dwyn a tumble for mercenary services rendered.

[Thrubeingcool13]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well I think most people do try to create themselves first in game so it only natural that they would play as a Human Noble first.

My first playthrough was as a Human Noble warrior just becuase it was the relatively "safe" choice. It's probably the easiest origin to use to get acclimated to DA.

[Gilsa]

soignee wrote...

According to Gaider, of their data they have on players, only 5% roll dwarves.

5%! We're a minority.

(The popular is of course Cousland.)

A lot of things hurt the dwarven numbers:

1. Female arms (by far the most common reason I see for women not wanting to play a dwarf)
2. Lack of dwarf romantic interest (some people just don't like the dwarf+non-dwarf combo)
3. Utter lack of mods for dwarven players (there are exceptions -- tmp and Dahlia and especially cmessaz) -- I've seen modders flat out say they don't like the dwarves and won't bother to put any effort into scenes for them. The vast majority of modded outfits are for elves/humans. There are barely any sex scenes because it requires more work to with the dwarf and a taller counterpart. Compared to all the goodies that are available to the human race, it can really suck to play a dwarf on PC because you'd know exactly what you're missing out on.
4. People like to identify with their avatars and of course, humans are the easiest way to present an ideal version of how they seem themselves. How many people have you seen say that their human avatar was modeled after them in RL?

Cousland has the more ideal numbers because it really does seem that the game revolves around them because the Ferelden throne and Arl Howe story is so central to the human noble playthrough. Plus the Cousland is the only ending where they get to end things on a royal note. This is a huge plus for Alistair fangirls because they get to be the queen and even those who aren't Alistair fans can still be king/queen with their lover on the side. I think the dwarves and elves have more interesting origins, but we don't end as strongly as the human noble does. The game ends in the human throne room and we get to talk to Ferelden royalty and our companions plus our token origin representative. There's nothing to put us back in our default homeland. We don't even know what happens to our dwarves other than they disappear after a time.

This does bring up a good point of why people prefer Couslands over other races. I've always been curious why KoP considered his Cousland his canon instead of his dwarf (heh), but I figured it was the Morrigan romance angle plus the nostaliga of preferring the character you first played the game with. (I first played on my DN and find myself going back to her out of nostaliga even though the playthrough was a wreck. Just how it is.)

Modifié par Gilsa, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:25 .

[Gilsa]

Oh and:

5. We took too long to start a dwarf worship thread.
6. David Gaider or Mary or Sheryl have yet to post in this thread about the awesomeness of dwarves. We've never had a nifty BioWare icon to endorse our thread! *sniff sniff*

[Corker]

Gilsa wrote...

1. Female arms (by far the most common reason I see for women not wanting to play a dwarf)

Know what was weird?  It was the human arms that bothered me, probably because I was playing in light armor.  I just noticed one day how twiglike they were and I could not unsee it.  The neck seems too small, too.

I didn't notice the dwarf arm problem until someone pointed it out to me. 

Definitely, definitely tmp for fixing both.

(But that said? Yes, I started with a HNF rogue.  I like to go basic when I'm setting foot in a new setting and then, when I have my bearings, try my other options.)

[RavenousBear]

Being new to the whole medieval fantasy genre, I chose a dwarf as my first play through since they appeared to be the sturdy species that can dish and take damage. I had no knowledge of dwarven or elven culture from other games so I had to read the short description on the CC screen to get a glimpse of their species's history.



I went against the grain as my 4th play through was my first and most likely last HN run. Based on my profile pic, he does not look much like a noble anyway.

[Sarah1281]

Question: When you ask the Proving Master who you're fighting during the second round in the Orzammar quest, you hear this:

Proving Master: Next, you're up against Myaja and Lucjan. As twins, they've always been allowed to fight as a single person. They're Warrior Caste, but their mother was a smith, so watch out for Myaja's hammer. And don't forget Lucjan. Most fighters do... and end up with his knife in their spine.

If their mother was a smith then why isn't Myaja also a smith? Is it because they're twins? The 'oh, we're one person in two bodies' thing is kind of BS, too.

[RavenousBear]

It is a loophole, but one I would be in favor of since I find the caste system to be flawed.

[Thrubeingcool13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Question: When you ask the Proving Master who you're fighting during the second round in the Orzammar quest, you hear this:

Proving Master: Next, you're up against Myaja and Lucjan. As twins, they've always been allowed to fight as a single person. They're Warrior Caste, but their mother was a smith, so watch out for Myaja's hammer. And don't forget Lucjan. Most fighters do... and end up with his knife in their spine.

If their mother was a smith then why isn't Myaja also a smith? Is it because they're twins? The 'oh, we're one person in two bodies' thing is kind of BS, too.

That bugged me too. I guess we can assume that Lucjan has the option of being a smith open to him?

[Sarah1281]

The first Dwarf thread came out six months ago and the game itself has only been out for, what, nine months? Cypher0020 originally just had it as 'so tell me about your dwarf playthroughs' but we quickly turned it into the Dwarven Master Race thread.



As for why the achievement doesn't show Harrowmont's heraldry...when did we find out what Harrowmont's heraldry was? Awakening maybe? If so then the achievement picture was already set. If not...well, it's a really boring heraldry and deep stalkers look cooler.

[Raonar]

You should see how many fanfictions with a dwarf-centric approaches there are. I think some people would want to cry.



Read: Only 46 DN stories out of over 2,000+ fics on FF.net, until some time ago at least, out of which about half are Sarah's.

[Thrubeingcool13]

Raonar wrote...

You should see how many fanfictions with a dwarf-centric approaches there are. I think some people would want to cry.

Read: Only 46 DN stories out of over 2,000+ fics on FF.net, until some time ago at least, out of which about half are Sarah's.

How many fanfics are about Queen Cousland and King Alistair?

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Question: When you ask the Proving Master who you're fighting during the second round in the Orzammar quest, you hear this:

Proving Master: Next, you're up against Myaja and Lucjan. As twins, they've always been allowed to fight as a single person. They're Warrior Caste, but their mother was a smith, so watch out for Myaja's hammer. And don't forget Lucjan. Most fighters do... and end up with his knife in their spine.

If their mother was a smith then why isn't Myaja also a smith? Is it because they're twins? The 'oh, we're one person in two bodies' thing is kind of BS, too.

You can fight in a proving without being a warrior. The father was presumably a warrior caste.

[Sarah1281]

Thrubeingcool13 wrote...

Raonar wrote...

You should see how many fanfictions with a dwarf-centric approaches there are. I think some people would want to cry.

Read: Only 46 DN stories out of over 2,000+ fics on FF.net, until some time ago at least, out of which about half are Sarah's.

How many fanfics are about Queen Cousland and King Alistair?

The numbers have gottan a little better. Right now, there are 2908 DA fanfics on ff.net. 96 of them list Aeducan as a character and only 24 were written by me which makes that a quarter. I'm not going to check to see how many Queen/King stories there are but there are 885 Cousland stories and 436 of those list the other character as Alistair.

PureMethodActor wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The first Dwarf thread came out six months ago and the game itself has only been out for, what, nine months? Cypher0020 originally just had it as 'so tell me about your dwarf playthroughs' but we quickly turned it into the Dwarven Master Race thread.

I can go for a Dwarf Master Race movement, especially if Bhelen's the leader of this movement. Afterall who better to lead the Dwarf version of an Exalted March than the Dwarven Messiah?

On Bhelen's heraldry, I agree with you that a purple Deepstalker heraldry would have been cooler than the plain wavy thing. I took Harrowmont very seriously because I thought that was his heraldry, and it looked awesome to me.

Also, thank you very much Sarah, for all of your answers to my questions. My understanding of Dwarf plotlines has improved ten-fold thanks to you alone.

Who better? Knight came up with the name, you know...

And I'm glad to help.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Question: When you ask the Proving Master who you're fighting during the second round in the Orzammar quest, you hear this:

Proving Master: Next, you're up against Myaja and Lucjan. As twins, they've always been allowed to fight as a single person. They're Warrior Caste, but their mother was a smith, so watch out for Myaja's hammer. And don't forget Lucjan. Most fighters do... and end up with his knife in their spine.

If their mother was a smith then why isn't Myaja also a smith? Is it because they're twins? The 'oh, we're one person in two bodies' thing is kind of BS, too.

You can fight in a proving without being a warrior. The father was presumably a warrior caste.

I know (well, we're only shown nobles and GWs being allowed to fight which are higher than warrior caste and smith caste is below it) but the PM clearly says that the both of them are warrior caste.

[Herr Uhl]

Hmm, I misread it then. Maybe they handle twins differently?

[RavenousBear]

They do get to fight in the Provings together all the time, even against a single opponent. Does it say anywhere who the oldest twin is? Perhaps the older twin's gender determines what caste the twins belong in?