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[saruman85]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Oh, he does.

Lots of Wojech dialogue

He's just generally condescending and 'I never saw anything special about your order' to non-DN's but he is REALLY begging you to side with Harrowmont just so you can return to the Proving area post-coronation and kill him in the resulting riot.

I don't get this. Are you both playing on console? I've played through 6 times, with 2 DNs supporting Harrowmont both times, and all Wojech has EVER said to me is "Get out of here!" before and after the Proving when I don't fight him, and "Wait till my arm heals" after I fight him. Even after Harrowmont is crowned Wojech and gang only ever stand there and utter one-liners at me. Is this a bug, or do console players get extra dialogue and a chance to mop the floor with Wojech's face that us PC saps don't?

[RavenousBear]

saruman85 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Oh, he does.

Lots of Wojech dialogue

He's just generally condescending and 'I never saw anything special about your order' to non-DN's but he is REALLY begging you to side with Harrowmont just so you can return to the Proving area post-coronation and kill him in the resulting riot.

I don't get this. Are you both playing on console? I've played through 6 times, with 2 DNs supporting Harrowmont both times, and all Wojech has EVER said to me is "Get out of here!" before and after the Proving when I don't fight him, and "Wait till my arm heals" after I fight him. Even after Harrowmont is crowned Wojech and gang only ever stand there and utter one-liners at me. Is this a bug, or do console players get extra dialogue and a chance to mop the floor with Wojech's face that us PC saps don't?

Before you go into the ring, ask the Proving Master "Who is my next opponent?" He gives you a short description of your opponent, then you can tell him you need rest before the next fight. That is when you can trash-talk your opponent; Wojech is the 4th opponent when siding for Harrowmont otherwise you can talk to Vollney if working for Bhelen.

[saruman85]

Caak7i wrote...

saruman85 wrote...
Before you go into the ring, ask the Proving Master "Who is my next opponent?" He gives you a short description of your opponent, then you can tell him you need rest before the next fight. That is when you can trash-talk your opponent; Wojech is the 4th opponent when siding for Harrowmont otherwise you can talk to Vollney if working for Bhelen.

Wait. So does the dialogue for these guys ONLY open up when the Proving Master mentions them? I do recall him offering to give me a rest to go talk to the fighters, but since only Myaja and Lucjan have ever said more than one line to me, I usually just get on with it.

What about them attacking you after you crown Harrowmont? Does that only happen if you trash-talked them before?

I really hope this works - I've been nursing a 2-playthroughs-long grudge against that b*stard Wojech. Plus I imagine Lord Vollney won't be happy that I brutally slaughtered Bruntin...

Modifié par saruman85, 21 septembre 2010 - 05:47 .

[RavenousBear]

saruman85 wrote...

Caak7i wrote...

saruman85 wrote...
Before you go into the ring, ask the Proving Master "Who is my next opponent?" He gives you a short description of your opponent, then you can tell him you need rest before the next fight. That is when you can trash-talk your opponent; Wojech is the 4th opponent when siding for Harrowmont otherwise you can talk to Vollney if working for Bhelen.

Wait. So does the dialogue for these guys ONLY open up when the Proving Master mentions them? I do recall him offering to give me a rest to go talk to the fighters, but since only Myaja and Lucjan have ever said more than one line to me, I usually just get on with it.

What about them attacking you after you crown Harrowmont? Does that only happen if you trash-talked them before?

I really hope this works - I've been nursing a 2-playthroughs-long grudge against that b*stard Wojech. Plus I imagine Lord Vollney won't be happy that I brutally slaughtered Bruntin...

Not sure if it is needed to ask the Proving Master to ask who your next opponent is, maybe all you need to do is ask for rest and then talk to your opponent. I believe only your current opponent will talk as future opponents will just ignore you, but I am not 100% sure on that. For instance Seweryn is always the first victim, so talk to him immediately after signing yourself up for a match. Plus, I find him to be a likeable fellow unlike the rest of Bhelen's fighters.

The fighters should attack you if Harrowmont is crowned, otherwise they will cheer Bhelen and the Aeducans.

Vollney will not talk to you if you are on Harrowmont's side/Wojech will not talk to you if you are on Bhelen's side. I am sure if Vollney as any special dialogue concerning Bruntin, however I think he is a bit apathetic as I paid attention to the rumors about him from the spectators.

Modifié par Caak7i, 21 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[ejoslin]

 /poking my head in...  Probably off the conversation, and I had already posted this in the ZevThread, but dwarf/Zevran kisses should be on topic, right?  *grin*  Here's an alternative to the default kiss.

You know, I don't think I've ever done the proving.  I just can't bring myself to support Harrowmont.  I think my next Lady Aeducan will be revenge bent.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 septembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Caak7i wrote...

You can persuade him to see it your way and not lose any approval if you are trying to avoid the approval loss.

That's not the problem. The problem is that if you're RPing it a certain way then you don't want to look weak in front of Dulin and Zevran openly questioning you looks weak. That's also why Sten, Shale, and Wynne don't get to come along whenever I sell Harrowmont out to Vartag.

Does Zevran question YOU, though?  I don't think he is.  He's mocking Harrowmont, but if you tell him to shut up, he shuts up.

[Sarah1281]

I am sure if Vollney as any special dialogue concerning Bruntin, however I think he is a bit apathetic as I paid attention to the rumors about him from the spectators.

He doesn't mention Bruntin. Given how big the houses are and how reportedly low he was in his house (no one cares if you openly have him killed), I don't think he's all that concerned. You can mention that he was accused of fratricide himself and he gets annoyed but you tragically don't get any 'I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just jealous that you got off by winning a Proving' dialogue.

You know, I don't think I've ever done the proving. I just can't bring myself to support Harrowmont. I think my next Lady Aeducan will be revenge bent.

You don't have to support Harrowmont to get the Proving. Just sign up for the Proving after meeting with Bhelen for the first time. I always do it pre-Jarvia so I don't know if you can do it after that but pre-Paragon. In this case, you can dedicate your victory to Bhelen or to yourself. All of Bhelen's fighters are all 'Wait, if you're on our side why are you fighting Bhelen's actual fighters' but if you win then they're pretty complimentary. You don't get to fight Wojech or Hanashan but I think besides that the rosters are pretty much the same.

Does Zevran question YOU, though? I don't think he is. He's mocking Harrowmont, but if you tell him to shut up, he shuts up.

Well, you agree to prove yourself to Harrowmont thus showing that you are on his side or else trying to give the appearance of being on his side so you can sell him out later and Zevran's all 'Why should we support such a weak candidate?' I know it was insulting Harrowmont but since that was what I just committed to I would have really rather he waited until Dulin wasn't standing RIGHT THERE. If he were trying to change my mind it could have been done just as easily once Dulin wasn't there and, in fact, I probably would have been more receptive had he had better timing. YMMV, of course.

[RavenousBear]

Speaking of conversations, now Bodahn's dialogue in the party camp and redcliffe is bugged for me right now. He talks, but I have my PC has no input in what to say like "show me your goods" and he immediately shows his inventory.

With subtitles on, his lines do not show. When I look in my journal, there is a completely blank spot in the conversation logs where Bodahn's conversation should be recorded. However his dialogue does work when asking Sandal for the supplies.

Well, I am going to try to clean the disk and reboot the computer to see if that works. None of my mods should be the issue as it is mostly extra armor and CC options, etc. Then I guess I have to post in the Technical support forum for answers. First bug I have noticed so far. It figures a dwarf gets bugged in my game

[Giggles_Manically]

A lot of the companions have some mean lines in Orzamar.

Sten most definently is dissmisive of alot of stuff.

[RavenousBear]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I am sure if Vollney as any special dialogue concerning Bruntin, however I think he is a bit apathetic as I paid attention to the rumors about him from the spectators.

He doesn't mention Bruntin. Given how big the houses are and how reportedly low he was in his house (no one cares if you openly have him killed), I don't think he's all that concerned. You can mention that he was accused of fratricide himself and he gets annoyed but you tragically don't get any 'I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just jealous that you got off by winning a Proving' dialogue. 

That would have been nice for the DN warden to connect the dots and see that he/she got screwed by both Bhelen and Endrin when the noble was denied the option of a proving to prove his/her innocence by having no trial and a death sentence. Then again every potential Warden gets screwed by the systems they live in, so it is nothing new in this game.

[Sarah1281]

Oh, nice picture! And somehow she still manages to look so innocent...

[Costin_Razvan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A lot of the companions have some mean lines in Orzamar.
Sten most definently is dissmisive of alot of stuff.

He also is appreciative of some things.

[Herr Uhl]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A lot of the companions have some mean lines in Orzamar.
Sten most definently is dissmisive of alot of stuff.

Sten is dismissive of most things. He seemed positively thrilled about Orzammar compared to other places.

[Collider]

What stops me from supporting Harrowmont is that he is a traditionalist who wants to keep the oppressive caste system, and that I have to enter the provings for him. My Warden does not approve of unnecessary violence.

[Lisa_H]

I started a new DN playthrough today. Bhelen is truly a master manipulator, even if I know he will betray my warden I still feel like I like him in the beginning. I will try to support him for the throne this time, but it would be a lot easier if he wasn't such a jerk to you when you try to help him.

[Sarah1281]

Collider wrote...

What stops me from supporting Harrowmont is that he is a traditionalist who wants to keep the oppressive caste system, and that I have to enter the provings for him. My Warden does not approve of unnecessary violence.

Really? The Provings bother you? It's not even to the death. And having to go down to the Deep Roads and find Lord Dace is infinitely more annoying.

[RavenousBear]

Collider wrote...

What stops me from supporting Harrowmont is that he is a traditionalist who wants to keep the oppressive caste system, and that I have to enter the provings for him. My Warden does not approve of unnecessary violence.

Bhelen and his men are more violent than Harrowmont and his men. The opening scene in the commons illustrates that Bhelen will use violence to achieve his goals.

[Collider]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Collider wrote...

What stops me from supporting Harrowmont is that he is a traditionalist who wants to keep the oppressive caste system, and that I have to enter the provings for him. My Warden does not approve of unnecessary violence.

Really? The Provings bother you? It's not even to the death. And having to go down to the Deep Roads and find Lord Dace is infinitely more annoying.

I'm hitting people with my sword though. I could accidentally kill someone.

Bhelen and his men are more violent than Harrowmont and his men. The
opening scene in the commons illustrates that Bhelen will use violence
to achieve his goals.

True but it's that or support the oppressive caste system.

This is actually what I like about the Bhelen/Harrowmont choice. There's pros and cons to both of them.

[soignee]

Collider wrote...


I'm hitting people with my sword though. I could accidentally kill someone.

Like Oghren "accidentally" hit someone in a Glory Proving and subsequently had to pay. Glory Provings= for the lulz, mainly. Death isn't meant to happen.

[Corker]

Unless you're a Grey Warden, apparently.



I took my (not a DPS build) mage into the Provings, figuring, "What's the worst that could happen? He loses a round, right?" I forget if he was out in one or if it was the twins that got him, but suddenly I'm seeing "Your journey ends..." WTF?

[Sarah1281]

Corker wrote...

Unless you're a Grey Warden, apparently.

I took my (not a DPS build) mage into the Provings, figuring, "What's the worst that could happen? He loses a round, right?" I forget if he was out in one or if it was the twins that got him, but suddenly I'm seeing "Your journey ends..." WTF?

Well that was one of Bhelen's people.

Although I could have sworn that the toolset has PM dialgoue for if you lose. Maybe that's just if you enter the competition for the lulz and it's not to side with Bhelen?

I'm hitting people with my sword though. I could accidentally kill someone.

You'd think someone that's been trained in combat could managed to strike non-lethal blows (assuming that they aren't hammered like Oghren).

[Lisa_H]

Collider wrote...

Bhelen and his men are more violent than Harrowmont and his men. The
opening scene in the commons illustrates that Bhelen will use violence
to achieve his goals.

True but it's that or support the oppressive caste system.

This is actually what I like about the Bhelen/Harrowmont choice. There's pros and cons to both of them.

True there are good and bad things about both candidates. It will me intresting to see how the different scenarios will effect the future for the dwarves in coming DA games. There is however one thing that worries me about the Bhelen choice. I agree that he brings many good changes the dwarven society, but it also seems like he angers a great many members of the warrior/noble caste. He even dissolves the Assembly. Does anyone else feel like this could cause some kind of civil war among the dwarves, which would be a great disaster for the dwarves since they all are trapped in one city, and have a very limited number.
The dwarven army consist of warriors each sworn to different houses, there is no main force that serves directly under the king except House Aeducan's own warriors. If to many of the Houses choose to rebel it could get really ugly.

[soignee]

Lisa_H wrote...

Collider wrote...

Bhelen and his men are more violent than Harrowmont and his men. The
opening scene in the commons illustrates that Bhelen will use violence
to achieve his goals.

True but it's that or support the oppressive caste system.

This is actually what I like about the Bhelen/Harrowmont choice. There's pros and cons to both of them.

True there are good and bad things about both candidates. It will me intresting to see how the different scenarios will effect the future for the dwarves in coming DA games. There is however one thing that worries me about the Bhelen choice. I agree that he brings many good changes the dwarven society, but it also seems like he angers a great many members of the warrior/noble caste. He even dissolves the Assembly. Does anyone else feel like this could cause some kind of civil war among the dwarves, which would be a great disaster for the dwarves since they all are trapped in one city, and have a very limited number.
The dwarven army consist of warriors each sworn to different houses, there is no main force that serves directly under the king except House Aeducan's own warriors. If to many of the Houses choose to rebel it could get really ugly.

I agree with this, actually. And when Bhelen dies, there will be another power vacuum. Whoever replaces can undo the work he set up very easily.

Of course Bhelen could be grooming an heir, but... Could be trust someone to do his job effectively? I lean to no, dude has power control issues.

[thegreateski]

If anyone can groom an heir capable of keeping the Dwarven people in line, it would be Bhelen.

note: The Legion of the Dead serves the king and only the king. They ensure that he holds power over the lesser houses. Civil war isn't really an issue when the entirety of an army of badass deathseekers is on the side of the king.

Modifié par thegreateski, 23 septembre 2010 - 06:21 .