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[saruman85]

LOLLL that's actually quite good. Someone's got too much free time...

And thank goodness someone necro'd this thread. I was going to yesterday but I thought I'd let it run til 23 hrs 59mins

- then I fell asleep.

Anyways, just starting Awakening with my DN now. Anyone notice that the "royal" music thatplays when King Alistair shows up is in fact the same music that plays when Endrin announces the DN as commander at the nobles' feast?

That's our royal music, dammit!

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistiar pirated the Dwarven Royal Anthem you say!

[soignee]

heyyyyy. That nug took all of 15 minutes to make. You hush.

[saruman85]

soignee wrote...
heyyyyy. That nug took all of 15 minutes to make. You hush.

lol AWWWWWWW *cute-gasm*

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Alistiar pirated the Dwarven Royal Anthem you say!

OH YEAH HE DID! Then again, biatch also pirated some endgame dwarven armor in that same scene, didn't he?

Methinks his dwarven envy is finally beginning to show.

Modifié par saruman85, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:47 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Awesome Soignee. After wanting to strangle Aunn Aeducan for her naievity it's refreshing to see DDW again.



Preserving the Anvil...that seems odd for you, but what happened to Zevran?

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Awesome Soignee. After wanting to strangle Aunn Aeducan for her naievity it's refreshing to see DDW again.

Preserving the Anvil...that seems odd for you, but what happened to Zevran?

Please do keep in mind, Costin, that you don't HAVE to read my story. I know you don't like most of it. Why you keep torturing yourself and then spreading the joy is beyond me. And do you really have to praise someone else's story but talking about how much you think mine sucks? 

And I don't believe it's naievity, either. It's not like she or I think that Harrowmont will be an amazing king or that Orzammar is doing fine. She wasn't really happy with her choice but she was just at a point psychologically where she could not pick him. I think it was probably a mistake but not every time someone does something you disagree with it's naievity.

[RavenousBear]

soignee wrote...



...image of nug unrelated.

 Dead Duster Walking updated? Holy nug pellets. Read chapter 23 here: http://www.fanfictio...t/s/5771314/23/

That is very cute. Well done, especially if it only took you fifteen minutes. :happy:

Modifié par Caak7i, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:59 .

[Costin_Razvan]

lease do keep in mind, Costin, that you don't HAVE to read my story. I know you don't like most of it. Why you keep torturing yourself and then spreading the joy is beyond me. And do you really have to praise someone else's story but talking about how much you think mine sucks?

And I don't believe it's naievity, either. It's not like she or I think that Harrowmont will be an amazing king or that Orzammar is doing fine. She wasn't really happy with her choice but she was just at a point psychologically where she could not pick him. I think it was probably a mistake but not every time someone does something you disagree with it's naievity.

It's either that or stupidity. Yes stupidity for throwing her House name into the Dirt, stupidity for refusing to use the greatest weapon the Dwarves ever had in their arsenal. Or did you just expect people to be OK with what you did there?

I can understand the Loghain decision, what I cannot understand is someone knowing fully well they are damning their entire country (n this case city-state ) over their own personal problems. It has happened too frequently in our own history and in each individiual case it has been an exemplary case of stupidity.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 06:59 .

[mousestalker]

I tend to lurk on this thread, but I have a question about a theory of mine.



We know, from what is said in game, that Orzammar's population is in decline. One of the reasons given for this is that lyrium inhibits dwarven fertility. Orzammar is located in a mountain of lyrium. The other reason is that the death toll form the war is having an impact as well.



My theory is this: What's not being said is that the loss of the thaigs cost the dwarves dearly. Until modern times, all population growth came from the country. Medieval London experienced negative internal growth for practically every year in the period, for example. The reason London grew was from immigration from the countryside. Orzammar has gone from being the capitol of a vast empire with lots and lots of thaigs to sustain its population to a city state. Even assuming that everyone managed to flee to the big city when the empire was lost, the population would still decline inexorably. Orzammar needs its hinterlands to survive and thrive.



Does that sound plausible?

[Costin_Razvan]

I think that's quite reasonable actually.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am not sure if we are confusing cause with effect here. Dwarven thaigs are not like the country side (naturally, I don't see how they could farm underground). They are colonies / towns. Colonies and towns that were built probably due to population growth and lack of space in the major cities. In that sense, it would be similar to Greece in the Archaic age. The lack of space (due to a mountainous terrain) pushed many Greek city States to found colonies (the major exception was Sparta, who decided to conquer lands instead).

Of course, it's very likely that those Thaigs provided the "mother" cities with resources (I am still not sure how the dwarves produced food en masse) and their loss would be severely crippling. We know that Kal Sharok descended into poverty when all its links to other thaigs were lost. Orzammar was luckier due to its surface connections.

[Costin_Razvan]

Apparently they have an abundance of Nugs that supply them with food. There's a codex entry on that.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nugs. They are even more valuable than Lyrium.

[Costin_Razvan]

Well of course, that is why I think you are overestimating the value of Lyrium to Orzammar. Though are probably correct in that Bhelen needs trade to improve relations with the Merchans...though I think for him his power base will come from the Castless turned soldiers.

There's a saying I think. He who controls the army, controls the country.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Maria13]

A question, do posters to this thread think it would be possible for a human surfacer to purchase property in Orzammar?

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was being sarcastic. Kal Sharok is miserable because it can't trade with the surface. Orzammar can and Bhelen will be improving it. And to control the army, you have to feed it and better its condition.

[Corker]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Apparently they have an abundance of Nugs that supply them with food. There's a codex entry on that.

Although when you're in the Frostbacks, it seems like most of the NPC barks are about how Orzammar is going to starve if they don't open the doors soon.

[Corker]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

stupidity for refusing to use the greatest weapon the Dwarves ever had in their arsenal.

Funny... the playthrough I preserved the Anvil was the one where Branka locked herself in the Deep Roads and Bhelen wasted men and resources trying to shake her out.  He eventually had to give up, leaving a wildcard madwoman with an immortal army at his back door.  Doesn't scream "genius plan" to me.

[mousestalker]

Maria13 wrote...

A question, do posters to this thread think it would be possible for a human surfacer to purchase property in Orzammar?

My first instinct is to say 'no'. But the Grey Wardens have quarters set aside for them. whether they own them, or merely have the use of them, is an unknown.

It may be possible for a surfacer to lease, rather than purchase, property. Many modern countries restrict who may own land, but are more liberal with leaseholds.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont give Branka the anvil because she is INSANE.



She is hearing voices, murdered her entire house, and is completely bonkers.

While the Anvil is powerful, it would be in the hands of a crazy woman, so that renders it pointless.

[Herr Uhl]

mousestalker wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

A question, do posters to this thread think it would be possible for a human surfacer to purchase property in Orzammar?

My first instinct is to say 'no'. But the Grey Wardens have quarters set aside for them. whether they own them, or merely have the use of them, is an unknown.

It may be possible for a surfacer to lease, rather than purchase, property. Many modern countries restrict who may own land, but are more liberal with leaseholds.

I think that GW are visitors, not permanent fixtures. Recruitment and callings mainly.

Edit: In short, they get a temporary place to prepare, saves a lot of trouble.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Maria13]

mousestalker wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

A question, do posters to this thread think it would be possible for a human surfacer to purchase property in Orzammar?

My first instinct is to say 'no'. But the Grey Wardens have quarters set aside for them. whether they own them, or merely have the use of them, is an unknown.

It may be possible for a surfacer to lease, rather than purchase, property. Many modern countries restrict who may own land, but are more liberal with leaseholds.

Yes, I wondered that myself, leasehold as opposed to freehold especially if the surfacer is rather special...

[Costin_Razvan]

Corker wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

stupidity for refusing to use the greatest weapon the Dwarves ever had in their arsenal.

Funny... the playthrough I preserved the Anvil was the one where Branka locked herself in the Deep Roads and Bhelen wasted men and resources trying to shake her out.  He eventually had to give up, leaving a wildcard madwoman with an immortal army at his back door.  Doesn't scream "genius plan" to me.

Unless Bhelen losses a dozen dwarves for each Golem Branka produced and gave to him for use ( which I find unlikely ) then yes it is stupidity to destroy the Anvil.

 I was being sarcastic. Kal Sharok is miserable because it can't trade with the surface. Orzammar can and Bhelen will be improving it. And to control the army, you have to feed it and better its condition.

Kal Sharok had a smaller army, no Golems and no Legion to aid it against the Darkspawn and you state that they are in a bad situation because of their lack of trade?

What evidence in game supports the claim that having better trade would improve the lives for common dwarves? Oh certainly it improves it for the nobles by them getting Silk, Wood etc. but it seems to me that most of Dwarves in Orzammar eat nug commonly and only the Nobles eat outside food.  As for improving their condition...Bhelen already is, by giving them actually legitimate jobs that pay.

If wealth from trade would be something that would solve the Dwarven problems, then why is it that Genitivi proclaims that Orzammar has a vast wealth, and yet they are on the Brink, and why is that?

Because Orzammar is at war, a constant endless war which you cannot end nor can you ignore your enemy. I understand you believe in moderation...but at the end of the day Bhelen is a very radical leader for Orzammar who makes MILITARY reforms. Why the merchants want to support him is unknown and it is only speculation to say that he is going to depend on them as a power base.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Sarah1281]

@Costin_Razvan: I never thought I would say this but...please stop reading my story. It's a negative experience for both of us. You don't like what I write and I don't like listening to you tell me how stupid and naive I am for my story choices. You already never respect my opinion on anything and are really condescending towards me. If you insist on torturing yourself by reading it, why must you share it with everyone? This has been a chronic problem for weeks if not months. And why must it come up at the most random times. "Soignee, I love your story and will now take the time to take a cheap shot at Sarah's."



I'm writing a story, not planning a ****ing utopia. I don't care if you feel the story choices are stupid or naive and I don't even care if they are. I understand you think that. You can stop telling me (haven't we already had this conversation?) Face facts: Ferelden will be saved and Orzammar will not be wiped out no matter what I choose to do because the devs aren't going to have an 'Orzammar doesn't exist anymore if you chose Harrowmont and it's going through a golden age if you chose Bhelen' divergence. It's too much work for not enough payoff. I'm not writing a story to go along with all of your views. We disagree on most things and even the things we can agree on (such as sparing Loghain) we differ vastly in. Our worldviews aren't really compatible and you're never going to like my story. If you feel obligated to read it because it's about an Aeducan or because you've already started then it's all on you and stop bothering me with the fact that you inevitably hate it.

[Herr Uhl]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Awesome Soignee. After wanting to strangle Aunn Aeducan for her naievity it's refreshing to see DDW again.

Preserving the Anvil...that seems odd for you, but what happened to Zevran?