Herr Uhl wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Awesome Soignee. After wanting to strangle Aunn Aeducan for her naievity it's refreshing to see DDW again.
Preserving the Anvil...that seems odd for you, but what happened to Zevran?
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 09:29 .
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 octobre 2010 - 10:14 .
In anycase, like I said before, I do not want to waste my time discussing your fictional depiction of a character for an ff I am not going to read. So whatever, to put it bluntly.
Bhelen is a visionary, not a short sighted warmonger like you make it out to be.
The merchants support him because of promise of trade, it's that simple.
Because of failed institutions and traditions. No where did I say trade was the only solution, but it's a major part of "The" solution. The wealth acquired needs to be spent adequately and not distributed almosty solely amongst nobles, since surface merchants are pretty much excluded from Orzammar (but still patronised by Nobles). Bhelen is changing that and this is how trade will help improve Orzammar's position. Because wealth is a tool and if not used properly, it can be not only useless but in some cases even detrimental. Bhelen seems to know how to use it however.
So you shouldn't mind Harrowmont closing off trade then.
Pay with what? How can you want him to pay if you are suggesting that he pisses on trade which is Orzammar's lifeline?
The current wealth of Orzammar cannot be redistributed radically to feed the castless and ****** everyone off. There is a limit to how much you can control a society with the army, especially since the casteless are not the only ones who can fight. The best decision is to engage in a policy of productivity that would increase wealth, and thus give Bhelen enough ressources to reform and please most dwarves at the same time.
That is a major reason, yes. No trade means no money to finance its war.
"With far fewer resources than Orzammar and no access to the surface,
Kal-Sharok has had to do some very questionable things to survive, and
now they are changed forever. "
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 10:31 .
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In this case I was discussing the Bhelen from Dragon Age just to make that point clear.
Or maybe they are happy cause Bhelen may abolish the laws that turn a dwarf castless when he leaves for the surface, thus increasing their profit tenfold because they can take seek new ventures by themselves outside.
What I mind is you claiming that Lyrium is the most important thing to Orzammar ( I know I didn't state this earlier though, so my apologies ). I know they trade it, but they also trade very fine weapons and armor to the surface to ( as you find out from the Dwarven Noble Origin ). I did not claim that trade was unimportant for Orzammar but rather that Trade surface with SOME countries in Thedas is something they can do fine without much repercussions.
Their lack of trade is PART of the problem, but as for resources...that can also mean lack of men and lack of ore to craft weapons from.
An OT point here though. I wonder what kind of "monstrosities" the Dwarves there have comitted to survive, pity we won't see it Dragon Age 2.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 octobre 2010 - 10:53 .
For some reason, my initial feeling was cannibalism. Unless it's an ongoing practice, however, I'm not sure why it would have 'changed them forever.'I don't know why I am getting a Harvester vibe from this. I don't think they survive by chance or miracle. They did something that "changed them forever".
Sarah1281 wrote...
For some reason, my initial feeling was cannibalism. Unless it's an ongoing practice, however, I'm not sure why it would have 'changed them forever.'I don't know why I am getting a Harvester vibe from this. I don't think they survive by chance or miracle. They did something that "changed them forever".
I'm definitely getting the feeling they might be using this as an excuse to change the way dwarves look in future games.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 octobre 2010 - 10:57 .
In 6:38 Steel the last King with links to House Agirn, Dorthen Dace, led a massive army of almost eighty thousand Dwarves in an attempt to reconquer the Rock, an entire quarter of the City's Warrior population. Along side them marched almost forty thousand mercenaries: Elves, Men, Mages, all enlisted through much struggle by an alliance of over thirty noble houses, including Harrowmont, Helmi, Aeducan, Caridin and Ortan, to name a few besides House Dace itself. The tale said that so many mercenaries had been hired by Orzammar that it had left the Surface bare of them. The full power of the Legion and Caridin's Golems also joined them, greatly boosting the morale of the troops.
There were a few thousands men and women from the other countries of Thedas, for although no real army had marched since the First Battle of Agirn, the Surface still paid some respect to the Dwarves for holding the line, and for aiding them against the four Blights. They all paled against the might of the Grey Wardens however.
Led by the First Warden, Maros, the grandson of Garrahel himself, the seven hundred Wardens and four thousand support troops from the Anderferls, made the other armies pale in comparison. Although there have been some to have questioned the presence of so many Wardens and troops from the Anderfels, it was to be remembered that Agirn itself was a Pit of Broodmothers, one of the largest known to them. A blow to the Darkspawn there would be quite a victory indeed.
The united army had marched, crushing all the Darkspawn in their path until they reached Vonjak Crossing. It was the largest Crossing of the Frostback Mountains, a mere thirty miles from Agirn itself. While some of Dorthen's commanders had counseled to avoid the Crossing, it was a counsel foolishly ignored by the others and the king. Having had already defeated a Darkspawn Horde four times their size just at the outskirts of the Dwaren border, the army was overly confident, but fighting their way south they ran into a new Darkspawn creature which worried the others: The Ogre.
Nevertheless, they counted only a few hundred at most in the other battles, and they were taken with crossbow fire and magic before they had had the chance to even touch the allied lines. So the presence of such beasts stirred more curiosity than worry, especially the interest of the many scholars that had come with the army in order to properly document the entire campaign..
When they arrived at the Crossing, scouts reported an advancing army coming out of Agirn, six times their size. The Crossing itself was large enough so that the army could set itself in a long shield wall formation across and still keep twenty ranks deep of men. The shield wall was placed among the ruined towers, from where Crossbowmen and Mages would snipe their foes, knowing to pay special attention to Ogres and Darkspawn emissaries. Still the morale of the troops remained high, for they had the Wardens, the Legion and the full might of Orzammar's Golems. What could go wrong?
Arrogant fools all of them, for when the Darkspawn advanced, the Ogres showed their real strength. Fighting a few hundred was one thing, fighting almost twelve thousand was a COMPLETELY different matter, but the King still placed his hopes in his crossbows and mages, and many an Ogre were felled by them, but far more smashed into the shield wall.
It did not hold.
The Darkspawn were organized, not by an Archdemon but by a few Generals which had survived the latest Blight. They concentrated the power of their Ogres into a single mailed fist that smashed into the center of the united army's line. The Wardens themselves could not stand against such brute strength and the King was slain in that attack, along with Maros and most of the generals and commanders of the army.
The Memories tell us that our kingdom once reached far beneath the mountains, and that the thaigs were almost beyond counting. Kal Sharok was the capital then, home to all the noble houses, and Orzammar was simply the home of the Miner and Smith castes.
It was with the Tevinter Imperium that things changed. Paragon Garal moved the seat of power to Orzammar to more closely oversee the trade that began with the surface. It seemed that our people were entering a new age of prosperity.
The Memories hold no explanations for the coming of the darkspawn, only questions. At first, they were rumors, noises in the Deep Roads, a lost traveler here and there. The Warrior Caste sent men to patrol the road, and thought the matter settled. We did not know that while we searched for them, they were engaged in a search of their own.
Sleeping deep in the Stone itself was the archdemon. They found him, and awakened him, and the Blight began.
The darkspawn poured out of the Deep Roads like smoke, then, and the Warrior Caste struggled to hold them back. Countless thaigs were lost in that first Blight. But, as ever, in the worst moments of our need, a Paragon arose. Paragon Aeducan led the defenses of Orzammar, and the dark horde was beaten back.
The cost of victory, however, was great. Much of the Deep Roads were sealed to hold back the darkspawn, cutting off thaigs and even whole cities forever.
--"Orzammar as a Kingdom," as told by Shaper Czibor
We were losing the war against the darkspawn. Slowly. A few men at a time, but losing all the same. The Warrior Caste was dwindling with each generation as more able-bodied men perished in their prime without fathering sons. With each generation, more of the Deep Roads had to be sealed, more thaigs lost forever. The kings of Orzammar watched, and wondered how long it would be until nothing remained of our people but the Memories.
And then Paragon Caridin arose from the Smith Caste with a new weapon: Golems. Giant soldiers of living stone and metal, each one was an army. With the Paragon's golems, we began to retake the lands we had lost. For a while, there was hope that victory, final victory, was coming.
But at the height of the war, Paragon Caridin disappeared, and with him, the means to make golems. Several forays were made into the Deep Roads to search for the Paragon, but nothing was ever found. Over time, the golems we had were damaged beyond repair, and we began our slide, once again, toward extinction.
--"Orzammar as a Kingdom," as told by Shaper Czibor
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Drive by BAMFer Dwarf Noble:
Giggles_Manically wrote...
I love playing a Dwarven Twohander.
Nothing like knocking foes flying and only being half their height.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Unless I am mistaken, that's actually longer then a Zwei Hander...and that's the Dwarf Model of the blade, on a human it's unrealistically large.
Maria13 wrote...
Question: What's Orzammar's timezone? Without daylight is it a 24/7 society? Does 24/7 even make sense for dwarves?
soignee wrote...
Maria13 wrote...
Question: What's Orzammar's timezone? Without daylight is it a 24/7 society? Does 24/7 even make sense for dwarves?
I made one up with the Proving bells acting like a sort of clock. I'd figure the merchants would stick to surface time though.
soignee wrote...
Maria13 wrote...
Question: What's Orzammar's timezone? Without daylight is it a 24/7 society? Does 24/7 even make sense for dwarves?
I made one up with the Proving bells acting like a sort of clock. I'd figure the merchants would stick to surface time though.
Trian dosent seem to be:yukidama wrote...
No one is a fan of the giant hammer? Haha
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