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[Faust1979]

instead of romances among party members why can't we romance characters we meet that aren't in your party? it doesn't have to be like Fable with a lot of random people wandering around. They could give us some characters we meet along the way and we have to go back to their place every so often.

[LyletheBloody]

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

[B3taMaxxx]

FedericoV wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 If it wasn't for the relationships (barring romances) and incredible writing I don't think BW's games would be anything special; to date.

Well, if I was a developer I would not be very proud of such a thing. I mean, there's nothing bad in improving the narattive and the storytelling... it's not bad to develop good romances if they help to tell the story... but I think that it would be better if Bioware game would be also remembered for their gameplay... just like Blizzard.

Maybe they should invest more time and money in the gameplay... it seems to me that since they are not using D&D, Bioware was never able to pull out a decent rule/combat system... and I'm not a D&D fan.

 Would you say the same for a developer who gets combat and game mechanics 110% but completely flubbing the writting?

 It's more an issue of perspective I guess. While the gameplay is good (not great) with BW's games, the writting is excellent, which is something I can not say about many blockbuster hits.

[Davasar]

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

[Saibh]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 If it wasn't for the relationships (barring romances) and incredible writing I don't think BW's games would be anything special; to date.

Well, if I was a developer I would not be very proud of such a thing. I mean, there's nothing bad in improving the narattive and the storytelling... it's not bad to develop good romances if they help to tell the story... but I think that it would be better if Bioware game would be also remembered for their gameplay... just like Blizzard.

Maybe they should invest more time and money in the gameplay... it seems to me that since they are not using D&D, Bioware was never able to pull out a decent rule/combat system... and I'm not a D&D fan.

 Would you say the same for a developer who gets combat and game mechanics 110% but completely flubbing the writting?

 It's more an issue of perspective I guess. While the gameplay is good (not great) with BW's games, the writting is excellent, which is something I can not say about many blockbuster hits.

I could care less about combat, so long as it's not game-breaking. That's really not what it's about for me--nor what it's about for most BioWare fans.

[Davasar]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 If it wasn't for the relationships (barring romances) and incredible writing I don't think BW's games would be anything special; to date.

Well, if I was a developer I would not be very proud of such a thing. I mean, there's nothing bad in improving the narattive and the storytelling... it's not bad to develop good romances if they help to tell the story... but I think that it would be better if Bioware game would be also remembered for their gameplay... just like Blizzard.

Maybe they should invest more time and money in the gameplay... it seems to me that since they are not using D&D, Bioware was never able to pull out a decent rule/combat system... and I'm not a D&D fan.

 Would you say the same for a developer who gets combat and game mechanics 110% but completely flubbing the writting?

 It's more an issue of perspective I guess. While the gameplay is good (not great) with BW's games, the writting is excellent, which is something I can not say about many blockbuster hits.

But you dont need writing to sell a lot of games it seems.  Dumbing down games to sell to a large audience is cost effective.  Just make another action game and it sells, at least thats what I am getting from your post...and I have to agree unfortunately.

Modifié par Davasar, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:08 .

[B3taMaxxx]

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

So, no initial buy without romances.  Gotcha.  Yet, I am sure people wont jump down your throat about it like they did for those who are mad about lack of race choice.

 There's a strong difference between the complaints and opinions toward it though, being one is a perceived reflection of themselves and the other an interaction complaint.

Actually, the two are quite synonymous:  they are both game features and add to immersion.  Take one or both out, and people will be unhappy depending on their tastes.

Can you imagine how many threads would be here if they said "DA2:  NO romances"

The storm would be horrendous.  That's one of my points.  Preferences are not wrong inherently.  People like certain things for certain reasons.  Critisizing someone for being unhappy that a game feature is gone but being forgiving to another unhappy group for the same reason is hypocritical.

 I misunderstood your usage of the term "race", but my comments were still valid in context,  just not my intent.


 I to would like to selcet race (elf/human/dwarf), and I fear it may hinder the replayability factor.................

[B3taMaxxx]

Davasar wrote...

  Dumbing down games to sell to a large audience is cost effective.  Just make another action game and it sells, at least thats what I am getting from your post...and I have to agree unfortunately.

 
Evil Publisher: "We have replaced the ridiculous term of "dumbing down" with Streamlined, thank you.

 Fan:    ...................................../server malfunction  

[Kenrae]

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

I care A LOT more about character interaction and story than the gameplay. I'd play DA:O even if everything we got was a dagger. Or a simple gun on ME.
I can play a game without romances, of course, but only if you take out the romances to write other kind of character interactions. If the reason is to have better gameplay then I say no.

Modifié par Kenrae, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:12 .

[FedericoV]

B3taMaxxx wrote...


 It's more an issue of perspective I guess. While the gameplay is good (not great) with BW's games, the writting is excellent, which is something I can not say about many blockbuster hits.

Mind I'm more in to Bioware than Blizzard game . Because I love their writing and so on...

But I think that since BG II their gameplay mechanics have never been really right. That's something wich is harming their storytelling skills. At the end combat it's still the 70% of their games in terms of playing time. 

We can't have everything in a game, but I would prefer better gameplay even if it would mean less time/money for romancing and such (if I'd have to make such choice).

Modifié par FedericoV, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:14 .

[Davasar]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

So, no initial buy without romances.  Gotcha.  Yet, I am sure people wont jump down your throat about it like they did for those who are mad about lack of race choice.

 There's a strong difference between the complaints and opinions toward it though, being one is a perceived reflection of themselves and the other an interaction complaint.

Actually, the two are quite synonymous:  they are both game features and add to immersion.  Take one or both out, and people will be unhappy depending on their tastes.

Can you imagine how many threads would be here if they said "DA2:  NO romances"

The storm would be horrendous.  That's one of my points.  Preferences are not wrong inherently.  People like certain things for certain reasons.  Critisizing someone for being unhappy that a game feature is gone but being forgiving to another unhappy group for the same reason is hypocritical.

 I misunderstood your usage of the term "race", but my comments were still valid in context,  just not my intent.


 I to would like to selcet race (elf/human/dwarf), and I fear it may hinder the replayability factor.................

I agree.  Replayability is going to be hurt badly.  One origin is less then six.  Math doesnt lie.

[mopotter]

Davasar wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Davasar wrote...

Would someone consider this game a "no buy" without romances?

Not necessarily a no buy, but it would no longer be at the top of my buy list.  I'll buy a bioware game before I buy any other game.  

Gotcha

A purchase later perhaps then

A big perhaps.    I'd just as likely keep replaying the games I have.     

I expect certain things from certain companies.  

Bethesda, I expect to be able to wonder where ever i want to and an ok story.  
BioWare I expect to be involved in a number of  relationships with a really good story.  

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Give the ladies Anomen again for the lulz.

Modifié par The Hardest Thing In The World, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:15 .

[Kenrae]

FedericoV wrote...
Mind I'm more in to Bioware than Blizzard game . Because I love their writing and so on...

But I think that since BG II their gameplay mechanics have never been really right and that's something wich is harming their games and storytelling themselves since combat it's still the 70% of them in terms of playing time.

We can't have everything in a game, but I would prefer better gameplay even if it would mean less time/money for romancing and such.

That, to me, means that the ammount of combat should be less, a 40% instead of a 70%, for example.

[amers1015]

I'd rather have romance personally. I think it's more realistic to have it. If a group of people spend enough time together it's bound to happen, no? Just look at office romances. And those people only spend 9-5 together.



That said, if it's not well-written or if it is cheesy as hell then it's *not* realistic and actually takes away from the immersion factor IMO.



Romance or no, I would still buy a game and enjoy it as long as the story wasn't horrible and it had interesting characters.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Don't twist around, you know what he/she means. As mentioned earlier, if you don't want romance, don't pursue it. It's that simple.

[Kenrae]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Give the ladies Anomen again for the lulz.

Come on! Do you hate them so much?

[AlanC9]

Davasar wrote...


I agree.  Replayability is going to be hurt badly.  One origin is less then six.  Math doesnt lie.

Of course, tons of people have replayed the BG games many times, and there's only one origin there.

[Davasar]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Don't twist around, you know what he/she means. As mentioned earlier, if you don't want romance, don't pursue it. It's that simple.

Umm...I dont know what you are inferring.  I merely asked a question that has no right or wrong answer, it merely shows preference.

And for the record, romance / no romance.  I have no opinion.

[LyletheBloody]

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Perhaps.  Maybe this is a difference of opinion/semantics, but I don't consider this kind of stuff to be part of the "gameplay".  To me the gameplay involves what you actually actively do with your character; moving, killing things, healing your party, managing inventory, picking your tactics/build, in Mass Effect shooting people.  So.... I don't think the gameplay is hurt one way or the other.  I tend to think of Romance as being a part of the Story.  Changing the question.. would I buy the game without Romance, even if the story would be better... I would say probably... but I would wonder why it wasn't in; the story would have to be amazing to warrant getting rid of Romance I think.  If it was, then I would say, yeah, I'd be satisfied.

[B3taMaxxx]

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

So, no initial buy without romances.  Gotcha.  Yet, I am sure people wont jump down your throat about it like they did for those who are mad about lack of race choice.

 There's a strong difference between the complaints and opinions toward it though, being one is a perceived reflection of themselves and the other an interaction complaint.

Actually, the two are quite synonymous:  they are both game features and add to immersion.  Take one or both out, and people will be unhappy depending on their tastes.

Can you imagine how many threads would be here if they said "DA2:  NO romances"

The storm would be horrendous.  That's one of my points.  Preferences are not wrong inherently.  People like certain things for certain reasons.  Critisizing someone for being unhappy that a game feature is gone but being forgiving to another unhappy group for the same reason is hypocritical.

 I misunderstood your usage of the term "race", but my comments were still valid in context,  just not my intent.


 I to would like to selcet race (elf/human/dwarf), and I fear it may hinder the replayability factor.................

I agree.  Replayability is going to be hurt badly.  One origin is less then six.  Math doesnt lie.

 Origins be damn3d, I want to play an Elf where lofty nobles ridicule me for being so, then I quickly dispatch of said bigot.

 One thing I like about BW games is the experience. Being seen in a new light leads to different  NPC reactions. It makes it feel fresh while building anticipation for upcomming encounters.


Though I did enjoy Origin stories, I can live without.................................

[Davasar]

AlanC9 wrote...

Davasar wrote...


I agree.  Replayability is going to be hurt badly.  One origin is less then six.  Math doesnt lie.

Of course, tons of people have replayed the BG games many times, and there's only one origin there.

If we were talking about BG games, that might have some bearing. 

Please, no changing horses in midstream.

[Davasar]

LyletheBloody wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Perhaps.  Maybe this is a difference of opinion/semantics, but I don't consider this kind of stuff to be part of the "gameplay".  To me the gameplay involves what you actually actively do with your character; moving, killing things, healing your party, managing inventory, picking your tactics/build, in Mass Effect shooting people.  So.... I don't think the gameplay is hurt one way or the other.  I tend to think of Romance as being a part of the Story.  Changing the question.. would I buy the game without Romance, even if the story would be better... I would say probably... but I would wonder why it wasn't in; the story would have to be amazing to warrant getting rid of Romance I think.  If it was, then I would say, yeah, I'd be satisfied.

Your gameplay preferences are focused on other things for the most part

Gotcha

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Davasar wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Don't twist around, you know what he/she means. As mentioned earlier, if you don't want romance, don't pursue it. It's that simple.

Umm...I dont know what you are inferring.  I merely asked a question that has no right or wrong answer, it merely shows preference.

And for the record, romance / no romance.  I have no opinion.

Sorry, I thought you were implying that a game with no romance would be better. Which is silly, really. Hence my reply. I tend to misread people's posts in forums, so once again, my apologies.

[Davasar]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Davasar wrote...

So, no initial buy without romances.  Gotcha.  Yet, I am sure people wont jump down your throat about it like they did for those who are mad about lack of race choice.

 There's a strong difference between the complaints and opinions toward it though, being one is a perceived reflection of themselves and the other an interaction complaint.

Actually, the two are quite synonymous:  they are both game features and add to immersion.  Take one or both out, and people will be unhappy depending on their tastes.

Can you imagine how many threads would be here if they said "DA2:  NO romances"

The storm would be horrendous.  That's one of my points.  Preferences are not wrong inherently.  People like certain things for certain reasons.  Critisizing someone for being unhappy that a game feature is gone but being forgiving to another unhappy group for the same reason is hypocritical.

 I misunderstood your usage of the term "race", but my comments were still valid in context,  just not my intent.


 I to would like to selcet race (elf/human/dwarf), and I fear it may hinder the replayability factor.................

I agree.  Replayability is going to be hurt badly.  One origin is less then six.  Math doesnt lie.

 Origins be damn3d, I want to play an Elf where lofty nobles ridicule me for being so, then I quickly dispatch of said bigot.

 One thing I like about BW games is the experience. Being seen in a new light leads to different  NPC reactions. It makes it feel fresh while building anticipation for upcomming encounters.


Though I did enjoy Origin stories, I can live without.................................

The differing reactions based on your race did make the game a great deal more interesting, I admit