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[LyletheBloody]

That's the main reason I don't like Dragon's Age as much as Mass Effect. I think the story, graphics, music, are all GREAT in DA. I like them just as much as Mass Effect's.. but I'm just not a fan of the BG type gameplay with the 4 person party; I just don't like it. Mass Effect's TPS is much more up my alley and to my liking. That's the reason ME 2 is my favorite game EVAR and DA probably doesn't crack my Top 25... even though I REALLY enjoyed playing it.

[Davasar]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Davasar wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

Don't twist around, you know what he/she means. As mentioned earlier, if you don't want romance, don't pursue it. It's that simple.

Umm...I dont know what you are inferring.  I merely asked a question that has no right or wrong answer, it merely shows preference.

And for the record, romance / no romance.  I have no opinion.

Sorry, I thought you were implying that a game with no romance would be better. Which is silly, really. Hence my reply. I tend to misread people's posts in forums, so once again, my apologies.

No sweat

And what I am saying is that a game without romances isnt automatically bad or good. 

But, IF the game didnt have romances, but had better game play because those romances werent there (as has been proposed by some posters in reference to the lack of race choice) would the game be a "no buy" for people?

And some have definately said they would not buy the game without romances.  Just as some people have said they would not buy the game without race choice.

The main difference I see here:  Those that wont buy the game for lack of race choice got lambasted, while those saying they would not buy for lack of romance, have not.

Hypocrisy being used by those who critisize others for the preference in game play and reasons to not buy I would think

[Davasar]

LyletheBloody wrote...

That's the main reason I don't like Dragon's Age as much as Mass Effect. I think the story, graphics, music, are all GREAT in DA. I like them just as much as Mass Effect's.. but I'm just not a fan of the BG type gameplay with the 4 person party; I just don't like it. Mass Effect's TPS is much more up my alley and to my liking. That's the reason ME 2 is my favorite game EVAR and DA probably doesn't crack my Top 25... even though I REALLY enjoyed playing it.

You have definate tastes, which I can appreciate.

Wouldnt you hate it if they made ME3 combat and game play like DAO?

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

It doesn't matter for me if the game doesn't come with romance but if it does, it does add a certain flavour to it.

[LyletheBloody]

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

That's the main reason I don't like Dragon's Age as much as Mass Effect. I think the story, graphics, music, are all GREAT in DA. I like them just as much as Mass Effect's.. but I'm just not a fan of the BG type gameplay with the 4 person party; I just don't like it. Mass Effect's TPS is much more up my alley and to my liking. That's the reason ME 2 is my favorite game EVAR and DA probably doesn't crack my Top 25... even though I REALLY enjoyed playing it.

You have definate tastes, which I can appreciate.

Wouldnt you hate it if they made ME3 combat and game play like DAO?

I almost Reported your post for even suggesting that.

[FedericoV]

Kenrae wrote...

FedericoV wrote...
Mind I'm more in to Bioware than Blizzard game . Because I love their writing and so on...

But I think that since BG II their gameplay mechanics have never been really right and that's something wich is harming their games and storytelling themselves since combat it's still the 70% of them in terms of playing time.

We can't have everything in a game, but I would prefer better gameplay even if it would mean less time/money for romancing and such.

That, to me, means that the ammount of combat should be less, a 40% instead of a 70%, for example.

No, for me the point is to make combat/gameplay worthwile even if it's 30%.

Otherwise, it's more honest to remove it completely and to make an interactive movie. 

[Davasar]

LyletheBloody wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

That's the main reason I don't like Dragon's Age as much as Mass Effect. I think the story, graphics, music, are all GREAT in DA. I like them just as much as Mass Effect's.. but I'm just not a fan of the BG type gameplay with the 4 person party; I just don't like it. Mass Effect's TPS is much more up my alley and to my liking. That's the reason ME 2 is my favorite game EVAR and DA probably doesn't crack my Top 25... even though I REALLY enjoyed playing it.

You have definate tastes, which I can appreciate.

Wouldnt you hate it if they made ME3 combat and game play like DAO?

I almost Reported your post for even suggesting that.

Haha.

Then I am certain you and other players like you can understand why the people that like DAO do not want the DA2 to have play mechanics like ME2 (even though it seems it will)?

Just something to think about

[Sable Rhapsody]

RPGs for me need emotionally compelling, interesting, and dynamic characters--both PC and NPC. I don't care how I get it--friendship or romance--from my party members, so long as I get it. Yes, I've gotten used to romances in BioWare games. Yes, it would be weird to go without. But when I think about it, my most compelling relationships in DA:O weren't the romances. They were the friendships--specifically my Warden's friendships with Morrigan, Shale, and Sten.



Romances are a nice way to build on the emotional bond to the NPCs, but they're not necessary.

[LyletheBloody]

Yeah I definitely can. I was disappointed that DA didn't voice over the main character and use the ME Conversation system but as far as gameplay, I don't think it is a good idea to unilaterally apply a different game's systems to a different IP. It is kind of what makes Jade Empire unique from the other games... and KOTOR... and DA... etc.



I would be in favor of SOME ME elements in DA, but I definitely can understand people balking. I want to see more of DA2 though before I form an opinion.

[London]

I'll flat out say it. I will not buy this game if no romance options are included. Sorry.

To explain a little, I was playing NO games before DA:O.  I'll return to playing no games.  The only thing that drew me into DA:O was the more mature themes, storylines, & Romances.  I'm looking for a compelling game, not just another RPG.

And yes, games can be compelling without romances, but now that I've tasted a Bioware romance, a game would feel very empty with no option.  I can then just go back to novels and writing.

Modifié par SebastianDA, 23 juillet 2010 - 08:50 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Romances aren't a dealbreaker for me either way. I do think that if they are included, some improvements could be made. For example, in my first game, Alistair was saying stuff to my main character as if my character was romancing Morrigan - he wasn't. But I guess some of the things he said to her had triggered some script as if he were romancing her. A more careful approach would be helpful.

[Liso66]

Davasar wrote...



Haha.

Then I am certain you and other players like you can understand why the people that like DAO do not want the DA2 to have play mechanics like ME2 (even though it seems it will)?

Just something to think about

ME2 mechanics were fun! I actually liked it better than ME1. I do not mind if it plays more like ME2 tbh.. I love both games. Give me good story and less bugs.. I'm happy! Oh yeah. and at least an option for romance..  Why? Because  some times it is just fun! <_<

[Pocketgb]

I am one who is all for some romance, but I just want to step in here in defense for some fair argument (unless it's been said already, in which case, good work!)

To those who say "it's optional, so why remove it?": Not the point. The point is putting resources on romances as opposed to other aspects.

What I REALLY want in regard to romance is the girl that's been shown in the screenshots (mage, not Flemeth) to be your sister. Why? Because it would be awesome to have an attractive and similarly aged companion of the opposite sex that ISN'T a love interest!!!

[SultryVulcan]

in-game romances make me extremely horny

[Sabariel]

As there is a choice in whether you start a romance or not, isn't there already "no romance"?

[Saibh]

Sabariel wrote...

As there is a choice in whether you start a romance or not, isn't there already "no romance"?

It seems as if more people are bothered by everyone else's fixation on a portion of the game they themselves don't like, which is why they want it removed. Otherwise, it seems to be because they prefer deep friendships, and remember games like Mass Effect, which utterly cut you off from forming relationships that aren't sexual/romantic at times.

[Khayness]

If we can't get out more than two lines of dialogue from said NPCs without triggering romance with them then no please.

In ME2 it was really comical. I'm calibrating/**** off/we'll spill drinks/I better check the engines/I'm busy/I'm meditating unless you wanna bed me!

[Games4ever]

Both romance and sex, thanks that's all

[Kenrae]

SirShreK wrote...

I, for one, HONESTLY don't want romances. I used to like Sherlock Holmes for that reason. Calm, detached and Reasonable all the time. Then there is Tintin and Asterix! Not to mention JC Denton! There is Garrett and ... well.. I was about to say Gordon Freeman.. But ok... the former kicked some serious backsides without Girlfriends....

What's Tintin doing with that great company?

By the way, there were instances were I'd have liked some relationships playing as JC Denton. That guy needed to combat some stress, so to speak 

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 If it wasn't for the relationships (barring romances) and incredible writing I don't think BW's games would be anything special; to date.

Well, if I was a developer I would not be very proud of such a thing. I mean, there's nothing bad in improving the narattive and the storytelling... it's not bad to develop good romances if they help to tell the story... but I think that it would be better if Bioware game would be also remembered for their gameplay... just like Blizzard.

Maybe they should invest more time and money in the gameplay... it seems to me that since they are not using D&D, Bioware was never able to pull out a decent rule/combat system... and I'm not a D&D fan.

 Would you say the same for a developer who gets combat and game mechanics 110% but completely flubbing the writting?

 It's more an issue of perspective I guess. While the gameplay is good (not great) with BW's games, the writting is excellent, which is something I can not say about many blockbuster hits.

I could care less about combat, so long as it's not game-breaking. That's really not what it's about for me--nor what it's about for most BioWare fans.

Agree totally with this.  

It's why I don't play games like Street fighter, Halo, or shooters.  

For me, BioWare games are like reading a good book. One that I will re-read often,  and most of the books I read have some element of romance.  

[mopotter]

Kenrae wrote...

Davasar wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I am in favor of Romance in DA2.

Would you buy the game without romances?  Even if the game play would be better?

I care A LOT more about character interaction and story than the gameplay. I'd play DA:O even if everything we got was a dagger. Or a simple gun on ME.
I can play a game without romances, of course, but only if you take out the romances to write other kind of character interactions. If the reason is to have better gameplay then I say no.

:lol:me too.  

[elearon1]

Of course I would buy the game if there were no Romances available - because I'm guessing there would still be good character interaction, fine storytelling, fun gameplay, and more - but I would be severely disappointed and if the trend continued Bioware would be knocked off my "instant purchases" list. (and it is a very very short list already)

Modifié par elearon1, 23 juillet 2010 - 11:43 .

[mopotter]

elearon1 wrote...

Of course I would buy the game if there were no Romances available - because I'm guessing there would still be good character interaction, fine storytelling, fun gameplay, and more - but I would be severely disappointed and if the trend continued Bioware would be knocked off my "instant purchases" list. (and it is a very very short list already)

BioWare is the only game developer on my instant purchase or pre order list.  And it's the only I company I will buy more than one copy of

[Aristorum]

If they're done well without obnoxious flirting, confrontations that aren't too sexual, and the NPC in question isn't just there to BE a romance option, then I'd like to keep the romance aspect.

Then again, there are times when the fanbase gets a little annoying about the "OMG I ALISTAIR" and I feel that Bioware should spite them and omit romance once in a while. Like in Awakening (which did really well in the friendship department.)