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[Lyrandori]

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.



Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

[Deathreaper112]

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.  However Zulu has made very clear he does not like this game but continues to play it and post hate threads.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Simpfan wrote...
Reading that was painful

It was painful Zulu. But you've never been one for brevity.
That aside. While Hammerhead made me feel like a 12 yo again and while the various plot difficulties are a concern, Overlord didn't suck, even though I preferred Kasumi DLC more.

[Inquisitor Recon]

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Deathreaper112 wrote...

You know what you should do?
You should get back at Bioware by not playing their game or coming to their site.

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[JohnnyBeGood2]

Lyrandori wrote...
in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far

There be history at play with Zulu! but you're right he's free to express his opinion. He just posts "plot hole inconsistency!!!!!!" everywhere and sounds like a broken record at times that it gets tiresome.

[RiouHotaru]

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

We're not opposed to properly constructed criticism or a debate on the subject of Overlord.  But if you've seen Zulu's previous topics?  It's full of nothing but him screaming "PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE YOU CERBERUS HATERS CAN ALL SUCK IT PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE!"

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

NVM

Modifié par MTN Dew Fanatic, 24 juillet 2010 - 02:22 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

We're not opposed to properly constructed criticism or a debate on the subject of Overlord.  But if you've seen Zulu's previous topics?  It's full of nothing but him screaming "PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE YOU CERBERUS HATERS CAN ALL SUCK IT PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE!"

This is very accurate.

[Onyx Jaguar]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NVM

Oh I mind.

[Christmas Ape]

Awww, muffin.

[Arijharn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

We're not opposed to properly constructed criticism or a debate on the subject of Overlord.  But if you've seen Zulu's previous topics?  It's full of nothing but him screaming "PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE YOU CERBERUS HATERS CAN ALL SUCK IT PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE!"

And yet, he said other 'stuff' here too. I mean, sometimes Zulu is very annoying, but honestly most people's reactions in this thread are disgusting... generally renegade 'jerk' options were chosen.

In regards to the Overlord DLC, I generally liked it and here's why:
• Artistic direction - I thought the art make up/style (the refinery type area, the geth dropship) was really well executed. Using environmental hazards to destroy hostiles was a fun and rather new and interesting thing to be able to do in the series. I also thought the 'camera' techniques were new in the Mass Effect universe as well (not the camera's following your every move, but when Dr. Archer talks to you on the 'television.' I thought the sound design was very good as well with the VI eventually becoming more sensical over time; as if Overlord has to learn how to speak all over again.
• Hub mission design - I thought it was a good throwback to the ME1 'exploration' style, although obviously not the same thing. I don't see how it's linear design is a bad thing though, the most fun I had in the ME1 Mako segments was the linear sections; the Illos trench-run, the Noveria mountain climb and the Feros skyway. Obviously, individual mileage will vary.
• The length - considering it's a mission, I was pretty damn satisfied with how long it felt to complete. I didn't feel as if the MS points I spent was a rip off at all. Good value.

Things I didn't like:
• The Hammerhead - because it's just so strange. Why can't I just sell this thing and get a Mantis? A Mantis seems to do everything a hammerhead can do, and better to boot.
• Silent Squad-mates - I like how they got Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale back, and I realise that the product would likely of been much (much, much) more expensive if they got the other voice actors to return, but it would of been so nice to hear what Legion's opinion could be, or Tali's, or even Miranda's. Would it not of been awesome to hear Jack cry triumphantly that her narrow views of Cerberus are well and truly justified?

[Platypus92]

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You know what you should do?
You should get back at Bioware by not playing their game or coming to their site.

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[Landline]

For what it was I liked it. It could have been better, but it was by no means bad.



And I don't need anyone telling me that I didn't have as much fun as I did.

[MarchWaltz]

Nowadays friend, and friends, we have to lower our standards, at least mine.



That being said, I still liked the DLC.



Games are not as they used to be fellow power rangers.

[Tsunami17]

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[Gibb_Garrus]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

PREFACE

First of all, I do see that BioWare have been trying to do their homework. I hope they don't die trying. Because the damage done in the main ME2 game is so grave, that it can't be repaired by any DLC. Now all the ME2 grudge aside, I'll just try to review the Overlord for what it is.



GAMEPLAY

The main problem is of course the Hammerhead. I can't definitely say anything as to if it's been improved or not, since I played it on casual difficulty on an X-Box (which was about the second time I touched a game console since 1995). But basically it's the same corridor levels and cliff hopping. All right, not unexpected. Until new surprises start to kick in. One of those is that to hop a cliff you now often need some sort of geyser to be placed with care by the level designer space wizard next to it. No way around it, if the Galaxy wasn't so full of geysers, the Hammerhead would be as useless as a brick.

Then, sometimes a repugnant VI-ish voice would announce "Dear organic, look at the painting on the level wall!". This was simply beyond me. Now, I take it the devs listened to the fans and decided to throw in some picturesque content into the bargain. Well, thank you, BioWare, but that's not exactly what was being asked for. The beautiful wilderness, landscapes and skies of the ME1 uncharted worlds were not valuable just for themselves. In fact they were boring to many "fans" who were just entirely missing the whole point. But for everyone else, together and in addition to the gameplay elements, it gave you the feeling of exploration of planets in space, the immersion, the experience, call it what you will. Anyway it was something of which ME2:Overlord is still totally devoid. And even if it was absolutely necessary to lead the player by the nose to enjoy ("ENJOY IT, JACKASS!!!") this content, why it had to be the VI? I mean, yes, I'd absolutely skip the paintjob admiration moments if not for those announcements. But the last thing imaginable on a military vehicle is that it will be designed to somehow accomodate the aesthetic feelings of those who man it. It would be plausible if it was a human driver's voice. Actually, the idea of "the driver" is something that comes up at the very first meeting with the Mako in ME1. But as the Hammerhead is a move away from the Mako in the direction of nonsense in general, so is this VI pointing out the paintjob sites.

Next thing, the puzzles. Other people on this forum told me there would be some and I was kind of eager to find them. Well, if I didn't miss something, there were just two things, that could theoretically be counted as puzzles. First, the floor panels. It took me like three seconds to realize what's being required of me, and less than one second to come up with the two-move solution. OK, I'm such a genious. And the second puzzle, I suppose, was the one where you had to call an elevator, that was sort of malfunctionning. This one I never though of as puzzle, until it was over. I just summoned the elevator, entered it and only then thought "Oh, my, I had to push the button like three of hour times instead of one, that must have been a puzzle minigame!!!" So much for the new puzzles.

The Geth ship level was actually quite a good one, compared to most of the other ME2 level designs. But it was too obvious an attempt to be a survival horror thing. Therefore it wasn't scary a tiny bit. In ME1 the Peak 15 and Ilos levels were really creepy, because of the feel of suspence and uncertainty. I reckon it was because the writers called most of the shots back then. That Alestia Ialis attack was a real surprise to me. But the Geth ship in Overlord like had a sign in every other corner saying "Dear player, when you reach the remotest point of this level, every Geth trooper you see lying on the floor will start shooting at you, and you'll have to fight your way out." I actually started goofing around by taking shots at the geth "bodies", to "make sure", but of course they all stood up when the time came, and I had to kill them again. Geth zombies. Toyish.



ART

Certainly, this green and orange "computerish" colors of the final level were cool. "Cool". [airquotes]Cool[/airquotes]. Because it was only the second thought about them. The first one was: it's nonsense. Really, what was it supposed to mean? Was the hostile AI hacking Shepard's cybernetic implants? Or Shepard somehow got into the AI's mainframe, and all that was not actually happening, and was just like in the Matrix? I was hoping for the explanation or some hint to come up in the end. But what for? thought BioWare, the "Rule of Cool" should be the universal explanation for everything you see on screen.

The paintjob on the level walls I already mentioned. But I'll add that even with those HHVI's prompts I saw perhaps less than half of it, because the range-to-next-level meter (which took, it so looks, the place of Mako's minimap) urged me to finish this lousy Overlord business ASAP.

There was also this new DLC armor on the character I played, and I take it that the built-in Christmas Tree lights are all the rage of the latest space marine fashion in 2185. After playing ME2 modded on my own PC, I almost forgot about it, and the lights on Shepard's back were like blinding me. And the "red veins"! OMG, oooohhh!!! Getting hurt in ME2 is truly authentic. Because it hurts you IRL.



MUSIC

Was there music? I didn't hear it. Maybe it was, but I didn't notice. Or maybe I did, but now, two days later, I can't remember it.



PLOT

Two words: IT & SUCKS. Full of holes like the damn Swiss cheese.

Another Cerberus project blown up in their faces. OK, we already know that being inept is a requisite for all organizations to register in the ME universe, especially for the most powerful and enigmatic ones.

And TIM sends in Shepard, who is a well known Cerberus project clean up worker and space station blower. OK, a moron leader is what it takes to keep the inept organization in business.

After the first conversation with the scientist we can't just rescue him and nuke the whole place by the rule that "it's better be safe than sorry". OK, it would make too short a gameplay time.

But how come that EDI, who has the "anti-Reaper protocols" that have been proven effective on at least two occasions, is unable not only to win the hacking battle, but even to detect and withstand a viral attack coming from this amateur rookie AI? Why is this Overlord threat so much more super-duper-formidable than the entire Collector threat? And still with all that super-duper formidability the AI can't prevent Shepard from getting through all those doors to its mainframe. Or it just wants to play with Shepard, so that the latter wins only because the super-duper-formidable AI is stupid? Not that it brakes any ME2 plot traditions though. Afterall, the Collectors that were almost as formidable as the Overord AI were almost as stupid too... I wonder, why do so many people miss Saren? He wasn't even half as stupid as The Best Game's Ever foes...

And why do I have a feeling that the main premise of the Overlord's plot was just courteously shared by Drew Karpyshyn and his upcoming Retribution novel? Is that some kind of spoiler for it or what?

Must notice though, that this little "punishment cutscene" instead of just a "critical failure - reload screen" was a nice touch. However tiny, it is a move in the right direction - implementing the element of "unwinnable by design" into the game, which I still believe (but, sadly, don't expect) must be a part of ME3, and play out depending on the "BIG CHOICES".



FINAL CHOICE

OK, we have this poor handicapped guy being abused by Cerberus mad scientists for the greater good. So we can either save the guy or the greater good. But, for the love of Mickey Mouse, why is the Renegade Shepard portrayed as some sadist psycho again? I mean, if he thinks that the scientist is wrong, he has to take the guy away, and if he feels that the scientist deserves some additional character development and/or permanent treatment for the insane experiment mania, Shepard has to nothing less than shoot him in the forehead. But if he thinks the scientist is right, why beat him? What for? Shepard is a trained and, as of late, cybernatically augmented soldier, and the scientist is a skinny civilian. Don't get me wrong, shooting off a couple of Balak's limbs before turning him over to the Terra Nova magistrates felt like a prudent call - so that he could not just run away from them. But punching the reporter was a grossly lame option, and particularly unmanly demeanor for the male character. With the Overlord it simply grew old. Ancient, in fact. What happened to the "shortest interrogation ever" clean and confident style of the Renegade? The Renegade is perceived by the audience as villain anyhow, so why not let them be at least of the refined type? And let the paragons feel cool by brutalizing the small time crooks and the squadmates they don't like (they love it soooo much)?

On the other hand, why not a kiddy krog3nz headbutt, BioWare, why?



CONCLUSION

The single really no doubt one hundred percent good thing about the Overlord DLC is that it will result only in a crappy "Thank you" e-mail in ME3. And, better yet, I won't be even getting it. Because in *my* ME universe it never happened. I don't need another pile of plot holes (see "Plot" paragraph) and I don't want *my* Shepard to have behaved like a psycho. And I don't need the friggin' Hammerhead to exist in *my* ME (Thanks, BioWare, for making all the HH content optional. Hope you're NOT going to include this crap in ME3.)

Overall, it was great. For a couple of hours I felt myself a drooling ten year old again playing Super Mario on an 8-bit device. With the X-Box controller, the immersion was complete.

Shut the **** up, all you ever do is complain about mass effect, **** off you loser

[mosor]

ADLegend21 wrote...

mosor wrote...

I for one enjoyed the OP's post even if I didn't agree with some of his points. Though the Mario analogy for the hammerhead is dead on. Especially since you can destroy the YMIRs simply by jumping on top of them. LOL! Ahh the childhood memories are flooding back.

really? so dropping a multi ton tank on something wouldn't crush it?...no it would.

If only that law of physics applied to the turrets as well.

[Lyrandori]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

We're not opposed to properly constructed criticism or a debate on the subject of Overlord.  But if you've seen Zulu's previous topics?  It's full of nothing but him screaming "PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE YOU CERBERUS HATERS CAN ALL SUCK IT PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE!"

I wasn't aware of his past here, I'm not a regular here myself. In any case, if he's always doing this and it becomes very obvious that he hates the game then what are the moderators waiting for? Has he ever been warned? I would have done so if it was just for me, no one should be judged if they don't like the game or a DLC, but if that person always keeps coming back at it multiple times it then serves no purpose anymore, we all know he/she hates this and that, there's no point in resuming, to that I absolutely agree, but I had no idea as I mentioned that he was like this, so my apologies, I guess.

[Christmas Ape]

In any case, if he's always doing this and it becomes very obvious that he hates the game then what are the moderators waiting for? Has he ever been warned?

Opinions aren't really a subject of moderation, regardless of how tiresome hearing them over and over may become.

[Lyrandori]

Christmas Ape wrote...

In any case, if he's always doing this and it becomes very obvious that he hates the game then what are the moderators waiting for? Has he ever been warned?

Opinions aren't really a subject of moderation, regardless of how tiresome hearing them over and over may become.

Well, then I got an idea for everyone, why posting in his "hate posts" at all? He has been named a Troll, yet most of the replies so far were food for it. If you guys don't want to nourish his tendency to come here and bash the game and DLCs then just let his concerned threads die without a single reply, that way everyone else than him won't lose their own time by basically just being trolls themselves and Zulu will perhaps try in vain to bring it back via bumping, and then (hopefully) get tired of it.

It's either that, or he keeps doing this while the moderators ignore it (in my opinion they should do something, at least warn him to not to this again). As a community I think that we should find a solution rather than anything else, and the solution is certainly not to reply to his threads by commenting on his now-obvious ME2-hate statements in the hope to miraculously change his mind about his views on the game, because it won't happen, so why bothering I ask? If users around here know him this well then I would highly recommend to the moderators to take action, but that's not under my control (I'm biased about this because I myself have already been a moderator once).

Anyway, I won't contribute in buming this anymore from now on, I've made my points.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:01 .

[Delta_Echo]

Lyrandori wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

If the OP didn't like Overlord he can certainly post about it if he feels like it, in fact I'm amazed by most of the reactions to his opinions so far, it's as if everyone HAD to like Overlord or ELSE you're a troll, a reject of society, a nerd rager, I say screw that, if some of you did not enjoy his post then why bother replying in the first place lest it's about discussing the subject at hand rather than posting useless counter-rants.

Anyway, I for one liked Overlord, overall, it could have been better, it could have been worse, the Hammerhead parts were the less interesting ones (I still prefer the Mako and the exploration with it in ME1). But the rest is alright, it's on par with Kasumi, it entertained me and I thought I got my money's worth out of it.

We're not opposed to properly constructed criticism or a debate on the subject of Overlord.  But if you've seen Zulu's previous topics?  It's full of nothing but him screaming "PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE YOU CERBERUS HATERS CAN ALL SUCK IT PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE PLOTHOLE!"

I wasn't aware of his past here, I'm not a regular here myself. In any case, if he's always doing this and it becomes very obvious that he hates the game then what are the moderators waiting for? Has he ever been warned? I would have done so if it was just for me, no one should be judged if they don't like the game or a DLC, but if that person always keeps coming back at it multiple times it then serves no purpose anymore, we all know he/she hates this and that, there's no point in resuming, to that I absolutely agree, but I had no idea as I mentioned that he was like this, so my apologies, I guess.

 Zulu is shall we say a little on the enthusiastic side, but anybody who dares to criticize the game is usually subject to all sorts of abuse from a large number of inarticulate and incoherent fanboys. And there are several  that seem to hunt down every single thread  with even a shred of criticism in them just so they can throw feces at us (figuratively  of course but with the tone of some of them you wonder what they would do if they could). There are a few people that bother with a thoughtful response, but the unfortunatly most just rage, or post facepalm pictures trying to be clever or try to think of other ways of insulting us.  Oh and I'd just like to add: the plot holes are real .

Zulu doesn't hate the game he just thinks it could be better. And since there is going to be an ME3 we hope it doesn't have the same problems as as ME2.

[Inquisitor Recon]

If you combined all of the words Zulu bolded, is there a hidden message? A desperate cry for help?



I fail to see how renegade Shepard punching the scientist somehow makes renegade Shepard some sort of sadistic madman. Is it wrong for renegade Shepard to be pissed even if he does believe David should stay with Cerberus?



Also I hope the Hammerhead is in ME3 just to spite Zulu.

[wulf3n]

Modifié par wulf3n, 24 juillet 2010 - 05:18 .