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Eventually, I played OVERLORD DLC. And (to no surprise) it SUCKED.


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Dead Space = Creepy.



I feel Overlord simply shows the inherent suckiness of DLC. It's essentially; short, highly linear, repetitive and for me it was dull.



For Overlord to be a success for me it needed more than shoot your way to point A, press a button, shoot your way to point B, press a button, shoot your way to point C, press a button.



I feel this is the quality of product you will get when you're forced to adere to tight deadlines and salami publishing techniques (for anyone who doesn't get the reference, it's a method of releasing a lot of scientific papers which in effect would be better served as a single, grander paper).



RPGs in general don't benefit from a glut of small additions, instead they do well with larger plot driven sequels.



Take telltale games Monkey Island serial they published last year. 2-3 hours of gameplay per month in a 6 month package. You could buy individual episodes or you could buy the whole thing up front.



In essence that is a perfect model to base Bioware DLCs, you're not forced into trying to cram the entire story arch into a few hours.



I feel they wont do this however, because episodic content is a lot of consistent work. If ME2 was a movie, episodic DLC would be a TV show.

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I disagree with the argument, but I can understand finding Ilos creepy given that it's a ruin. But Peak 15? Arguing Peak 15 was creepy is like listening to Loveless & saying you heard a great rap album.

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wiggles89 wrote...
Arguing Peak 15 was creepy is like listening to Loveless & saying you heard a great rap album.

I dunno, theres the beginning of a horror movie in Peak 15, going to a Secret Research lab deep in the mountains. when you arrive the staff are all dead, then you discover all kinds of horrific science experiments. 

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wulf3n wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...
Arguing Peak 15 was creepy is like listening to Loveless & saying you heard a great rap album.

I dunno, theres the beginning of a horror movie in Peak 15, going to a Secret Research lab deep in the mountains. when you arrive the staff are all dead, then you discover all kinds of horrific science experiments. 


You think thats horrible? Try complaining about a great game at its official website....Oh Wait... 

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Troll article. Even in your review you mentioning how much "damage" Bioware did to ME 2. What are you trying to get at? You dont like the series then DONT PLAY IT!!!! Yes, you do actually have the option to play something else.

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dude he really wrote alot just to troll :o



or maybe that is actually his opinion... then i pity the fool who goes against his will!

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Raxxman wrote...

Dead Space = Creepy.

I'd disagree on principle as I actually found the horror element utterly undermined by several design choices made, but that's neither here nor there. Creepy in terms of ick-factor I can agree on, though.

Now Shalebridge Cradle, on the other hand..

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wulf3n wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...
Arguing Peak 15 was creepy is like listening to Loveless & saying you heard a great rap album.

I dunno, theres the beginning of a horror movie in Peak 15, going to a Secret Research lab deep in the mountains. when you arrive the staff are all dead, then you discover all kinds of horrific science experiments. 


I'm not saying there aren't horror movie elements in Peak 15. The point is that at no point whatsoever does the game ever create a creepy environment. One reason is that, like another poster mentioned, it's far too heavy on the action side of things to allow for a creepy atmosphere to build. A couple of other reasons is that the isolation of the situation is never truly capitalised upon & there's never any suspense built.

Or maybe I'm analysing it incorrectly. It sure didn't resonate with me as a creepy mission, though.

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ShamieGTX wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...
Arguing Peak 15 was creepy is like listening to Loveless & saying you heard a great rap album.

I dunno, theres the beginning of a horror movie in Peak 15, going to a Secret Research lab deep in the mountains. when you arrive the staff are all dead, then you discover all kinds of horrific science experiments. 


You think thats horrible? Try complaining about a great game at its official website....Oh Wait... 


Actually that takes balls, especially if you find you're in the minority, and you don't find it "great", and the raving fanboys can't put together a cohesive argument.  One of the few reasons.

(Arguably I have no idea what Zuli is talking of half the time when he explains things, but his points are still valid.)

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smudboy wrote...


Actually that takes balls, especially if you find you're in the minority,


It does?

Did internet amatuer critic suddenly become an xtreme sport while I wasn't looking?

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smudboy wrote...

Actually that takes balls, especially if you find you're in the minority, and you don't find it "great", and the raving fanboys can't put together a cohesive argument.  One of the few reasons.

(Arguably I have no idea what Zuli is talking of half the time when he explains things, but his points are still valid.)


BS it take balls. Takes no balls whatsoever to criticize anything while using the anonimity of the interweb.

Modifié par Kroesis-, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:08 .


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Kroesis- wrote...
 the anonimity of the interweb.


Is a lie. with a bit of know how, and time practically anyone can find out who you are and where you live

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wulf3n wrote...

Kroesis- wrote...
 the anonimity of the interweb.


Is a lie. with a bit of know how, and time practically anyone can find out who you are and where you live


This is true.

I am watching you all.

The question is whether I have pants on or not.

#114
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InvaderErl wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Kroesis- wrote...
 the anonimity of the interweb.


Is a lie. with a bit of know how, and time practically anyone can find out who you are and where you live


This is true.

I am watching you all.

The question is whether I have pants on or not.

i'm hoping they're on

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We'll let's check why don't we...

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wulf3n wrote...

Kroesis- wrote...
 the anonimity of the interweb.


Is a lie. with a bit of know how, and time practically anyone can find out who you are and where you live


And general forums hoppers, even those with a grudge against a poster, are going to spend that time and, if necessary, money and whetever else is needed to just to find out who someone is and where they live? So they can do what, go all Jay and Silent Bob on some kid?

Modifié par Kroesis-, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:13 .


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Image IPB

THE HUNT IS ON.



edit: I know this picture doesn't make sense in or out of context I just wanted an excuse to post Walken.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:12 .


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JRCHOharry wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Kroesis- wrote...
 the anonimity of the interweb.


Is a lie. with a bit of know how, and time practically anyone can find out who you are and where you live


This is true.

I am watching you all.

The question is whether I have pants on or not.

i'm hoping they're on


Have you never lived a day in your life?

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Kroesis- wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Actually that takes balls, especially if you find you're in the minority, and you don't find it "great", and the raving fanboys can't put together a cohesive argument.  One of the few reasons.

(Arguably I have no idea what Zuli is talking of half the time when he explains things, but his points are still valid.)


BS it take balls. Takes no balls whatsoever to criticize anything while using the anonimity of the interweb.

Right, silly me, having the honesty to write an opinion which you know won't be popular and everyone will call you a series of names because they never thought that way, and it's easier for them to attack you personally as opposed to having an intelligent discussion over.

Because all want to invite morons to our inbox.  Doesn't take balls at all to sift through even more crap one is ultimately asking for.

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Kroesis- wrote...
And general forums hoppers, even those with a grudge against a poster, are going to spend that time and money and whetever else is needed to do so?


Probably not, but i have heard of similar stories, for just as stupid reasons. here

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smudboy wrote...
Right, silly me, having the honesty to write an opinion which you know won't be popular and everyone will call you a series of names because they never thought that way, and it's easier for them to attack you personally as opposed to having an intelligent discussion over.

Because all want to invite morons to our inbox.  Doesn't take balls at all to sift through even more crap one is ultimately asking for.


Its the internet, Smud. The second anyone posts anything they are taking the risk somebody will flame them. By your logic Chad Warren is a man of intense bravery.

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InvaderErl wrote...
Its the internet, Smud. The second anyone posts anything they are taking the risk somebody will flame them.


Some more than others

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wulf3n wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
Its the internet, Smud. The second anyone posts anything they are taking the risk somebody will flame them.


Some more than others


Poor Chad.

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InvaderErl wrote...

smudboy wrote...
Right, silly me, having the honesty to write an opinion which you know won't be popular and everyone will call you a series of names because they never thought that way, and it's easier for them to attack you personally as opposed to having an intelligent discussion over.

Because all want to invite morons to our inbox.  Doesn't take balls at all to sift through even more crap one is ultimately asking for.


Its the internet, Smud. The second anyone posts anything they are taking the risk somebody will flame them. By your logic Chad Warren is a man of intense bravery.


Precisely. Damn, being called names by some faceless forumite! It takes no balls to write an opinion even if you know you'll get flamed by it or crap in your in-box. They're only words written to an online persona. It's easy to ignore and delete.

Modifié par Kroesis-, 24 juillet 2010 - 01:26 .


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Kroesis- wrote...


Precisely. Damn, being called names by some faceless forumite!


I have wept myself to sleep because of these forums.